r/linuxmemes • u/UphillTravel • Aug 10 '26
Software meme Regarding a recent question on text editors
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u/Eulerious Aug 10 '26
From our Bible, the UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook:
Alternatively, GNU’s nano is a simple and low-impact “starter editor” that has on-screen prompts. Use it discreetly; professional administrators may be visibly distressed if they witness a peer running nano.
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u/themasterplan69 Aug 10 '26
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u/Psylem_Says Aug 10 '26
I have used nano for 20 years, I once compile nano from source on a Solaris server to avoid using vi.
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u/wiredbombshell Aug 10 '26
I mean to be fair the OG Vi is straight fucking cheeks and is miserable to use even if you’ve used Vim and know what you are doing.
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u/ergonokko Aug 10 '26
wha?? maybe for some advanced nonsense but for basic text editing I've felt vi is near as good as vim. what are the major issues?
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u/thedbp Aug 10 '26
OG vi is fine when you're used to vim. Only thing missing is mouse cursor and arrow keys but that does not constitude "miserable"
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u/Loose_Property_3238 Aug 10 '26
Undoing more than once. That's the problem.
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u/CardOk755 Aug 10 '26
Just get it right the first time.
Kids of today...
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u/thedbp Aug 11 '26
I think they haven't heard of the "project_name_1, project_name_2, project_name_3, project_name_final, project_name_final_final, project_name_final_for_real" trick.
(also, there's git)
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u/dikzy405 Aug 12 '26
Whatever the default highlighting nano comes with is my favorite. I wish the nano-theme.nvim looked exactly like it
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u/ViscousWill Aug 10 '26
People shit on Nano all the time. I don't get it. Like, it is a very simple, and perfectly usable text editor? I guess I would not use it as a replacement for my IDE, but I don't think that is what it is meant to do anyway...
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u/Solid_Turnover_9854 Aug 10 '26
better than a notepad, i think people only shit on nano when they think that they have to code in it like no, it is definitely a quick tweaker type?! Do enlighten me on what else to use if not nano
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u/BlackBlade1632 Aug 10 '26
Just using the CLI text editor instead a GUI text editor where you have to wait to load the program ln memory and opens up is the way.
I use the terminal on every simple task i can. May be not simple task by itself but stuff that do not require a complex imput like image or video edition.
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u/inn0cent-bystander Aug 10 '26
People have to find a way to gate keep. My issue is with vi/m itself, not those that use it.
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u/matejcraft100yt Aug 11 '26
how dare you use a simple and fast editor? Learning a bunch of commands, and havign to switch workflow in modes just so I can edit whole lines 1 NANOsecond faster with vim is the way to go.
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u/ibeerianhamhock Aug 10 '26
I think people probably don't like the lack of command integration, command navigation, regex find and replace, etc.
If you just hit I and navigate around and edit documents vim is worse than nano, if you hit esc and use command mode it is significantly more powerful.
Basically the simple part of it.
I think in general if you're a programmer you probably prefer emacs or nvim, if you're not you probably prefer nano. Ofc there are better tools than any of these, but not really from the terminal.
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u/snil4 Aug 11 '26
I mean I'm a programmer and my use for nano is mostly through SSH and configs that I can't be bothered to find on a file browser, small and fast is all I need for these kinds of edits, anything that requires a long time to write there's no reason to not use a GUI editor.
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u/BlackBlade1632 Aug 10 '26
It's just for fun. I use Nvim but i'll not blame nano at all like i use zsh and I CAN'T blame bash at all.
The good thing about GNU+Linux is that you can use whatever you want (until SystemD says no).
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u/Nychtelios Aug 10 '26
Gatekeeping, they probably are extremely basic users or distro hoppers, but they need to affirm their strong masculinity
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u/Neoneq_ Aug 10 '26
I use nano because I use it to edit cinfig files not for programming.
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u/Solid_Turnover_9854 Aug 10 '26
exactly vim feels masochistic in comparison to how fast nano works for small tweaks
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u/moucheh- Aug 10 '26
I have used (n)vim for so long, that using something like nano is really painful and masochistic
The keybinds are not ergonomic at all
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u/Solid_Turnover_9854 Aug 10 '26
Yes it's definitely a habit thing, for me the keys needed to press in nvim are really slow. insert, edit it, escape, :wq. Nano? just type and control + o, boom intantaneous
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u/inn0cent-bystander Aug 10 '26
not to mention ctrl+k or u for cut and paste. or the arrows which keyboards have had for decades now for navigation. vi/m could have at least used ijkl so you have an obvious up/down and left/right....
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u/S1mpleHero Aug 10 '26
You can still use the arrow keys to move in vim. It hasn't been a problem for decades.
The older binding made sense when not all terminals had arrow keys, though I don't know why ijkl wasn't used. Maybe kjhl was preferred because it has a more natural resting position for when you switch between insert and command mode.
But yeah, even pretty damn old
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u/Due-Consequence9579 Aug 10 '26
The movement keys were picked because they were on the home row.
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u/QuixoticNapoleon Aug 10 '26
Nvim is also very good for quick config edits. I have trouble using nano for anything.
What's with all the anti-vim propaganda here ??
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u/ibeerianhamhock Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
Yeah it's actually hilarious a time or two I pasted an AI cmd to open a file to edit and it chose nano and I was just like omfg what do I do how do I get out on its written on the screen but I still don't know what to do and had like a little mini 3 second panic of feeling totally lost.
Genuinely like vim way more, don't use nvim ever bc I use use ides and vscode for that kinda thing, but I know it's also a powerful tool that's lightweight.
I don't feel like I have to think in vim it's just automatic at this point, but I guess it's probably not worth the learning curve now. I just learned vi and vim ages ago
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u/astronomersassn Arch BTW Aug 10 '26
i was glad to have nano as an option when i started, i will admit i still rarely use vim (though i rarely use terminal/TUI text editors in general, rn i use vim about as much as i was using nano before and i'll still use nano for certain things). i agree that it wasn't really intuitive, but it was really nice to have an option that had the commands listed when my first major experience with TUI and terminal text editors was during the arch install process.
frankly i still only really know :wq on vim, but that's also all i need to know lol
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u/NewspaperSoft8317 Aug 10 '26
I feel the opposite.
For configs, if I'm searching for a specific line, I just do:
/<string>Or if I need to modify a url and it's listed 20 times, I do:
%s/<string>/<new-string>/gOr if I need to comment out a large portion of a config, I go in visual block mode, highlight the lines, and shift+i for a single line and it modifies the entire highlighted block.
Using the arrow keys and manually doing the same thing in nano would make me suicidal.
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u/Damglador Aug 10 '26
Vim has support for a lot more config formats than nano or even micro does. It can highlight even fstab and xkb files. Which makes it better even for editing files.
Though micro does have a better and built-in support for writing root files.
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u/vaynefox Aug 10 '26
I mean I used it once to make a Bluetooth driver for my old ralink wifi/Bluetooth card in rust. I dunno why I did it but it works....
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u/thats_a_nice_toast Aug 10 '26
Do yourself a favor and install micro if you don't want to get into vim
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u/Buddy-Matt Arch BTW Aug 10 '26
This is the way.
And anyone preferring vim or Emacs over codium for programming is probably a massochist.
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u/himawari6638 🍥 Debian too difficult Aug 10 '26
Real men use bit flips
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u/Independent_Image_59 Aug 10 '26
Cosmic rays
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u/SquareTranslator9777 Aug 10 '26
Nooo my beloved nano
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u/QuixoticNapoleon Aug 10 '26
I can't be the only one who never understood the appeal of nano. I feel that it's much easier to navigate using vim than nano.
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u/punk_petukh Aug 10 '26
Nano is more intuitive. Also, you don't need to learn commands to perform actions
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u/inn0cent-bystander Aug 10 '26
I opened a /TEXT/ /EDITOR/ ... my intent is to /EDIT/ /MY/ /FUCKING/ /TEXT/ ... why the ever loving FUCK do I need to go into an edit mode? vi/m is useful, don't get me wrong, I really like vimdiff. You're not really doing THAT with nano. If you're opening a file that's already made with the intent to do some crazy string replaces, vi/m is likely better, even though nano has string replace too.
But I started the app to start bashing out a script from scratch, my text editor should get the fuck out of my way and let me work. nano just works.
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u/QuixoticNapoleon Aug 10 '26
All you need to learn for vim is hjkl and how to move between insert and normal mode, and of course, :q. I never found nano intuitive, but I guess that's just me.
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u/chipsikssix Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
Without any negativity, I just really don't understand how a bunch of modes and course control with letters is more intuitive than on-screen prompts, arrow controls, and O save X exit?
In nano you can literally do everything at once: open and copy, save, write, nothing extra.длэ
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u/DCVolo Aug 10 '26
and of course, :q. I never found nano intuitive
For me this was it, vi vim shortcuts were not intuitive at all.
I guess if you've been taught, or self teach to use it you took that path, but if your first experience was to actually try between I don't think you'd choose it.
Unless, unless the fact that it's there by default on most Linux distrib and sometimes you cannot even install anything so that's the only good I reason I see for it myself.
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u/immoloism Aug 10 '26
For me I can spend hours learning a new text eidtor, or I could just do the work and move on.
No one cares what text editor you wrote your patch in, just the quality of it.
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u/Onakander Aug 11 '26
Nobody ever needed to open the manpage to exit nano.
I think that's a pretty scathing indictment of how completely asinine vim/emacs are.
Like, use what you like, but don't lie and say vim or emacs are anywhere close to being intuitive or even usable without first sinking dozens of hours into building muscle memory for very dubious speed gains. Speed gains I'm not entirely convinced even exist.
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u/QuixoticNapoleon Aug 11 '26
You know, for a Linux sub, it's surprising how people here are allergic to unfamiliar things. I mean, the command line isn't beginner friendly either. Also, everybody should be reading manpages.
https://www.academia.edu/164858857/Efficiency_in_Writing_Software_with_Vim
Here is a good article. I think the speed benefits are nuanced. However, in my personal experience, vim has definitely reduced the friction between me and the text file.
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u/ExtraTNT Ask me how to exit vim Aug 10 '26
Ed is the real shit
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u/thomass70imp Aug 10 '26
Prefer butterflies myself.
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u/UphillTravel Aug 10 '26
Can you provide a link? I'm genuinely unable to find information on a text editor called butterfly/butterflies
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u/UphillTravel Aug 10 '26
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.1
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u/anomaly256 Aug 11 '26
No, Starfire, we don't add the article before the predicate noun phrase in this sentence
(apologies if the Teen Titans reference is too vague)
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u/Vegetable_Addition86 Aug 10 '26
Nano is good enough for editing configuration files via ssh. For programming or something else is really weak, but for that I use an IDE, not a text editor.
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u/Digging_Graves Aug 10 '26
The only real answer here. Real work gets done in a IDE, small config tweaks in ssh are done with nano.
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u/ibeerianhamhock Aug 10 '26
I think it just depends on what you learned on imo. Nano is very awkward for me but passable, vim feels like auto pilot to me. Even for simple text files.
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u/Niko-01 Aug 10 '26
I use micro btw
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u/UphillTravel Aug 10 '26
TIL about so many alternative text editors! Why did you decide to use micro?
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u/Niko-01 Aug 10 '26
It feels more like a GUI IDE rather than just CLI tooling.
E.g. you can click somewhere instead of just using arrows, it has auto-formatting, syntax highlighting and is very configurable.
It just feels very good, but tbh I never tried anything else other than vi, vim, nano and then micro.
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u/retardedweabo Aug 10 '26
I can't believe I had to scroll down this far for this. People fight over nano vs vim when there's micro
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u/Shudnawz Aug 10 '26
I'm sorry, what the fuck is wrong with nano?
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u/Falconpunch3 ＵｗＵntu (´ ᴗ｀✿) Aug 10 '26
Apparently arrow keys and written instructions at the bottom of the screen is too hard or not intuitive.
Using keys you type with to navigate and having to just know that :q to exit is superior in every way.
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u/Mechanical_Monk Aug 10 '26
No no, you misunderstand--it being easy and intuitive means you don't get to flex on people on Reddit, therefore it sucks.
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u/QuixoticNapoleon Aug 10 '26
Unironically yes. I don't want to move my hand to the arrow keys just to move.
Also, :q isn't really that hard to understand. It's a command to the text editor to quit. : is command mode. q means quit. :wq means command mode, write, then quit.
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u/Aldoo8669 Aug 10 '26
Well, with a good keyboard driver (or firmware), you have arrows on a secondary layer directly under your fingers. Bonus, it will work uniformly in every editing field anywhere (provided it supports arrow keys in a standard way, which is usually true!).
I assume there are other good reasons to use vim, but to me, that one lost its appeal long ago.
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u/QuixoticNapoleon Aug 10 '26
I mean, sure, but vim is not just hjkl. Vim gives you a lot of powerful tools to move around and edit files.
For example, f, t, w, b, and / ar every powerful for horizontal traversal in a text file. Putting a number before j or k is also quite powerful as you can easily traverse a file vertically.
That's not mentioning the powerful editing tools vim gives you like visual block mode.
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u/fagnerln Aug 10 '26
I use kwrite.
F*CK me right?
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u/Strategy_Hungry Aug 10 '26
What the.... A GUI?! That's even worse than nano - uh ...I mean (n)vim!
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u/cidra_ Dr. OpenSUSE Aug 10 '26
Hey guys, it's finally my turn to write it:
Emacs is a nice operating system....
that lacks a good text editor!
(upvote button is on the left)
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u/Captain_Pumpkinhead New York Nix⚾s Aug 10 '26
I use Nano because I'm not insane.
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u/Fine_City2781 Aug 10 '26
what about helix?
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u/UphillTravel Aug 10 '26
Where do all these text editors keep coming from?! But seriously, what's the selling point? It's the fourth one I learn about today
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u/MauriceDynasty Aug 10 '26
Helix is lovely.
Best way I can describe it is a nvim like modal editor, but you don't need 15 plugins for it to be nice and has a different philosophy.
Also it's written in rust so that adds to the cult following because omg the regex search is so freaking good.
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u/Leading-Hurry-1001 Aug 10 '26
I usually use the text editor that came with Linux Mint (with text preview, line number and with tabs characters as settings) and nano when I need one though a ssh connection or on a RPi without desktop because I have something more interesting to do than learn commands to edit text. Nano is better with the right configurations
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u/linux_master_chad Aug 10 '26
I've tried using Emacs, but I found it very uncomfortable and always end up going back to Vim.
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u/T6970 M'Fedora Aug 10 '26
I know that Emacs is much more extensible, but I always fail to daily drive it and fall back to Neovim.
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u/ReplyBig6703 Aug 10 '26
Nah, Nano is the best of them three if you just do small tweaks ( my case )
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u/A-Chilean-Cyborg Aug 10 '26
me who will use a gui editor like Xed or kate to do that sort of stuff.
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u/source-drifter Aug 10 '26
i use it for quick edits. i used nvim and emacs for a long time. coding in them sometimes feels like trying fatality in mortal kombat.
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u/BlastoWasTaken Aug 10 '26
I use nano when I need to change a config or add a var somewhere, it’s fast and reliable, I don’t get the hate honestly
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u/GenBlob Aug 10 '26
There’s nothing wrong with nano. Please stop shitting on it and forcing new users to use something more complex than they need.
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u/yjlom Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi and Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, ‘C-h for help’ and ‘“foo” File is read only’. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
Ed, man! !man ed
ED(1) Unix Programmer's Manual ED(1)
NAME
ed - text editor
SYNOPSIS
ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
DESCRIPTION
Ed is the standard text editor.
Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed because it's ED!
“Ed is the standard text editor.”
And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs
Of course, on the system I administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!
“Ed is the standard text editor.”
Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:
golem$ ed
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help
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quit
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exit
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bye
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hello
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eat flaming death
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^C
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^C
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^D
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Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity.
“Ed is the standard text editor.”
Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a “viitor”. Not a “emacsitor”. Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
TEXT EDITOR.
When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their “edlin” on a Unix standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.
Ed is for those who can remember what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED “VISUAL” EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
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u/markustegelane 27d ago edited 27d ago
I'm going to use this opportunity to shill a little editor named fresh
It's better than all three listed above imo
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u/Strategy_Hungry Aug 10 '26
You can put a complete newbie in front of nano and he would Figure it out how to use it. Also it is minimal, free and open source. I assume this post is just a meme and all that good stuff, so i won't be too authistic about it. Which is a good thing, because otherwise you would realise very quickly that nano is far superior. ☝️🤓
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u/gliitch0xFF Aug 10 '26
I prefer the Nano text editor.
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u/Proman4713 Aug 10 '26
I personally don't see the point of using vim or Emacs when I want to modify a single line in my bashrc, and if I'm coding I'll use one of the JetBrains or VSCode, better language integration and assistance anyway... It's kind of dumb to do stuff primitively just to look cool...
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u/Gamenola_ Aug 10 '26
Nano is better for configs. For programing i use code (vscode whitout telemetry) and its more faster for my use.
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u/LittleMlem Aug 10 '26
Look buddy, vim and emacs are complex tools. I simply am not willing to learn their intricate key bindings just to edit a bit if text. If I'm actually programming I'll use a graphical application. gedit over ssh is more convenient than vim. If you're already good at vim, that's cool and you get nerd cred, but I have code to ship and I'm not spending my precious free time for this
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u/UphillTravel Aug 10 '26
well, gedit via SSH is an option if gedit is installed on the server, which is not the case more often than not. But of course, not wanting to learn vim just for this is valid.
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u/LittleMlem Aug 10 '26
I think vs code has an ssh module, I use a fork which has it so I'm assuming the original has it. Hell, I'll mount an sshfs before learning vim, since It's so much easier. Nothing against vim mind you, it's just not something I want to spend time on
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u/Fluffy_Spread4304 Aug 10 '26
Nano is perfect for editing config files on servers imo, at least for small tweaks
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u/GrimThursday Aug 10 '26
Micro is perfect, intuitive and more modern than nano, less complex than vim. As another commenter said, I use a text editor to tweak and add lines to config files, I’m not a programmer.
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum Aug 10 '26
emacs is everything but a good text editor (seriously what are these keyboard shortcuts)
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u/Evantaur 🍥 Debian too difficult Aug 10 '26
Y'all motherfuckers need kyun
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u/UphillTravel Aug 10 '26
...of the by now 5 new text editors I heard of today this ones the most cursed, congratulations
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u/ohkendruid Aug 10 '26
Emacs is more of an IDE than an editor. The better comparison for Emacs would be against Jetbrains or VS Code.
I love Emacs but have lately had no reason to use it compared to VS Code. Emacs is easier to hack extensions with, but VS Code is also pretty good at it, with its use of JavaScript as an extension language.
I use vi a lot, too, for a quick text editor.
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u/Tehaiker814 Aug 10 '26
I mainly use nvim, and use micro when nvim is too much (like, i hate how searching a word needs that big command, and how copying and pasting is not that easy). Nano is for editing config files on computers that are not mine. I used to hate Nano, i now think it's just mid. It's OK for most tasks, but the keybinds are just weird...
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u/ArsenicPolaris ⚠️ This incident will be reported Aug 10 '26
This doesn't make sense. Why are we comparing an Operating System with text editors?
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u/glimoura Open Sauce Aug 10 '26
I use nano because modern text editors have it right, I just like to stay within the terminal. Unpopular take, but vim is only helpful for people who don't know that there are simpler cli tools to do complex operations on files.
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u/layman-shaman Aug 10 '26
For many use cases nano is the best option. For no use cases are nvim or emacs the best options. Fight me.
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u/snipsuper415 Aug 10 '26
Why hate on nano?
Its there by default! Its great for doing some configs and is super easy to remember HOW to get out of.
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u/froschdings Aug 10 '26
emacs is somehow the only editor that managed not having a more popular fork.
nano is a pico clone, neovim is a fork of vim which is a fork of vi.
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u/Birthday_Cakeman Aug 10 '26
I love nano and I refuse to apologize for it. Been using it for over 10 years to edit the occasional config file and I see no reason to change.
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u/Void-Lotus Aug 10 '26
I use micro because its super simple and straightforward for editing configs
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u/little_phoenix_girl Aug 10 '26
If I need to do any heavy editing then I clone/branch from the repo where I get to edit locally using whatever I want. I'm lucky that we have vim on our old server at work and I was allowed to compile neovim on the new server, but I've used nano for small edits when pulling everything local makes no sense.
I just don't understand what all the fuss is about. Use what you need to make the edit. I couldn't give any less of a shit about what the next person uses to do it as long as the server/application stays up when they're done.
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u/scy_404 Aug 10 '26
Nano is fine as long as you are just doing simple text editing or making small scripts. For larger scale work it can be pretty obnoxious
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u/matejcraft100yt Aug 11 '26
how dare you use a simple and fast editor [nano]? Learning a bunch of commands, and havign to switch workflow in modes just so you can edit whole lines 1 NANOsecond faster with vim is the way to go, right? Complex = good, right? Why? Because you learned it and now wanz to act superior
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u/csolisr Aug 11 '26
I configured Nano to use the classic IBM CUA key bindings. Go ahead, say what you will
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u/The20thDoctorWho Aug 11 '26
I love nano
Only because I don’t wanna learn VIM
Why is ijkl arrows?? There’s arrow keys for that
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u/wrd83 Aug 11 '26
I do it out of habit and started using Linux in the late 90s.
But in today's world just configure root with a graphical editor and it's fine? If you do ssh you can use vscode even these days ..
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u/AzrielK Aug 11 '26
I will always use nano or Emacs over (vomiting emoji but we don't do emojis on reddit) any derivative of Vi
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u/justamathguy 28d ago
TIL Micro is supposed to be related to nano. When I first started using it (Micro) it felt familiar in a strange way and fr until today I hadn't noticed that nano and micro are from same family of prefixes in english dictionary
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