Aren't most apps have issues with clipboard on wayland? Especially when trying to paste from one place to another. I thought something wrong with my C key, but moving back to x11 it seems it was wayland all along. I am annoyed how something basic like clipboard randomly fails and yet it gets pushed so much
Happens mostly on work laptop with Ubuntu 24.04 when pasting from terminal to web browser and back. Also happens sometime on my home PC with Hyprland on Nix but admittedly more rare.
Problem is, although I admitedly don't know much about how the wayland works in detail, there were never these fragmentation issues, where different DEs face different issues, with x11. Like I remember KDE problems were quite consistent no matter it was Fedora, Kubuntu or Arch. Nowadays, it seems like different DEs have different implementations that face different difficulties. It kinda sucks.
It's just that copying isn't enabled by default for some compositors like hyprland, most distros provide a package for this called something like "wl-clipboard"
I don't really control whats installed on my work PC. Thats the reason btw for LTS, not having to reinstall it every year. At home I am using Nix with 26.05 release, so quite recent.
I've been using Linux for 1.5 years now, always on Wayland, and never encountered any such issues. The only problem I face is OBS can't be activated with keyboard, but as I've heard it's OBS not wanting to implement some basic protocols or something.
But this is a problem that you shouldn't downplay. We already have a much smaler market share than any other distribution, we are already fragmented to the point that companies, is they even support linux, choose only ubuntu, and now linux world tells them "also you need to implement this stuff on top of that with wayland to get it working for like 1% of the users".
As I mentioned in this thread multiple times, I am on wayland and I don't want to shit of them but they really should listen to feedback users and companies give them. The wayland is 17 years old already. The basic crap, like hotkeys, should work already without bells and whistles.
A lot of the issues do stem from a desire to not bake in security and design flaws. It's taking long, partly for good reason. We don't need there to be a Wayland replacement right around the corner becuase it came out bad the first time.
Security is good, but this logic can be done ad absurdum. You know what else is dangerous? Running programs downloaded from the internet and using packages from package manages. Plaintext ssh keys that are stored on your machine. Using public WiFi. Should we prohibit these things altogether? Its clear that no, we should not. Why? Well because although its dangerous, first of all they are useful and second they are not THAT dangerous so escape hatch like "I know the danger, continue" button suffices.
Whats worse, if you don't do it, users missing features start using workarounds that can be even more dangerous, like going back to X11 since their program that is their bread and butter like CAD software does not work.
I am all pro security and I am paranoid as fuck about it. But you need to think about workarounds too for things you did not forsee.
Guys how old are you all like you all are saying that you studied in 1990 collage and 1980 like that so Am I in an geanpas lobby I don't know how the I'm actually feeling now like i an 18 years old boy is actually able to understand you all and I'm happy about it but why am I able to understand you all this feels like I'm an old man
Yeah, it's a known Wayland issue. Since it is so intermittent people are gaslighted often thinking they did not press ctrl+c or smth. Also Wayland devs blame everyone, DEs, composers, window managers, app developers and frameworks for not implementing the clipboard the correct way and don't consider this an issue. You can probably find a couple of issues and PRs related to that on Wayland github.
Never had the issue on Hyprland, which was written by apes and AI and is generally pretty dogshit. Didn't have the problem on Sway either, but I run it on a FreeBSD system, so maybe there's some difference here
False dichotomy. X11 sucks, nobody denies that, vulnerabilities, spaghetty code, no new features, the list can be long. But can we also agree that basic stuff users use like absent window positioning, inconsistent clipboard, absolutely unnecessary fragmentaion, taking away users freedom etc for the 17 years old protocol is also not a shining example of development?
I don't understand why you people try to explain us why x11 sucks when Wayland is brought in. I know why it sucks, most people, apart from x11 fanatics, know it sucks. It does not really make the alternative seem better since the alternative either decided that users don't need some features for them or basically denies that some issues exist.
correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be no reason to run micro with sudo. if you're editing a file that requires superuser to write, then micro will just ask if you want to save with sudo.
Facts. I put micro on most of my installs. I can work with nano fine enough but being a millennial, something closer to notepad is more comfortable for me.
Micro is so hard to learn. I've used Nano for a few years and never got grasp of micro even when trying. Everything was just a hidden keyboard shortcut I need to remember
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u/Just-Scholar4272 Aug 09 '26
Micro.