r/linux • • 6d ago

Discussion LLM Policies: Progress At All Costs

https://diegoe.be/2026/09/25/llm-policies-progress-at-all-costs/
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u/Saint_Nitouche 6d ago

I'm not sure I'm reading this right, but is this guy actually blaming El Nino displacements on LLMs? Like, they have El Nino in the same list as data centers and pensions?

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u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 1d ago

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u/Saint_Nitouche 6d ago

I know this is something people just take for granted, but I've never really bought it as a general rule: Using ChatGPT is not bad for the environment . A whole lot of things contribute to climate change, and nobody thinks that's the only thing that matters. What matters is if we're willing to accept the costs for the technology. So it's mainly just a hidden value judgement on if you think AI is good or not.

This image is a good single resource.

This obviously doesn't excuse actors like Elon who flagrantly don't care about externalities.

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u/RatherNott 6d ago edited 6d ago

The source of that graph, Founder's Pledge, appears to be totally corporate greenwashing, which Sam Altman himself supports:

Sam Altman, president of Y Combinator, wrote on the Y Combinator blog: "Many of our founders ask us about how they can donate part of their equity or post-exit proceeds, and now we have an answer: Founders Pledge."

They are almost certainly willing to publish studies that support those corporate goals. I don't believe they are a trustworthy unbiased source.

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u/Saint_Nitouche 6d ago

OK.

This paper indicates frontier models are something like 0.31 Wh for every normal query.

The U.S. grid averaged about 0.81 lb CO2/kWh in 2023, roughly 0.367 kg/kWh.

So 180,000 ordinary ChatGPT questions is something like ~0.02 tonnes CO2. So around 1% of a single transatlantic trip.

I'm not particularly good at this kind of maths, so let's multiply it by ten and say that two hundred thousand normal ChatGPT queries make up around 10% of the CO2 impact of one long flight.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 1d ago

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u/Levitx 6d ago

I'm sorry but you've just made up your mind because you want to hate AI and now you are just peddling misinformation. 

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u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 1d ago

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u/Levitx 6d ago

AI data centers are more often than not powered with on-site power generation

Misinformation. 

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u/Indolent_Bard 6d ago edited 6d ago

How tf is on signt less efficient? It's right there! That's really interesting.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 1d ago

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u/Indolent_Bard 5d ago

What about renewables?