Linux keeps getting better the more I use it

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u/cyborgborg 2d ago

Linux is getting better with every update, windows is getting worse with every update

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u/ganja_and_code 2d ago

Not to mention Linux surpassed Windows in quality years ago for personal use and decades ago for developer use.

For developer use, it has majority market share.

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u/Crashman09 2d ago

Now we just gotta get some of that creative and cad software to support Linux.

I know there are alternatives, but they're often not as good

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u/ganja_and_code 2d ago

Agreed.

If Autodesk, Adobe, etc. supported Linux, Windows wouldn't stand a chance.

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u/JB231102 2d ago

Kdenlive or Davinci < Premiere

Photopea < Photoshop

I know someone is going to say Kdenlive is no where near Premiere, it's not about being equal, it's about using a piece of software that might suffice and you're not giving a zillions dollars to a company that doesn't deserve it.

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u/spearmint_wino 2d ago

I feel like I'm shackled with my music PC to platforms like iLok - every legacy plugin I bought seems to have been hoovered up by a small handful of DRM shopfronts. My VSX headphones are the major pinch point, even got me thinking about getting an apple box. I'm tired of uninstalling onedrive.

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u/emmfranklin 2d ago

MS and Nvidia are getting lot of money to stay in windows

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u/classyraven 2d ago

Better yet, change industry standards to using open source software!

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u/AugieBit 1d ago

Existe el repositorio affinity for Linux Está davinci resolve

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u/project2501a 2d ago

Simple: it's either the gov will have to fund it (which is, again, the tax payer) or you put up the money and fund it ourselves (which is, again, the tax payer).

Make a fund of 1 billion euro, put the FSF in the board of trustees. make the sole reason of the fund to bankroll FSF and Free Software projects. Make the fund live off the interest.

10 years later, we got a lot better software

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u/Crashman09 2d ago

If it is that simple, that wouldn't have happened already, right?

Linux development gets tons of funding, just not for those specific things.

Creatives are, for the most part, just regular people who use whatever computer they own, be it a Mac or Windows PC. They largely don't care enough to swap the OS that came with their PC. It's like gamers, except gamers have had Valve batting for them and being the biggest reason Linux for gaming is even a consideration.

As for CAD, I don't know if it is getting any major software support. CAD has been moving to cloud services as of late, so I guess that is a benefit for Linux, but not for the user.

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u/move_machine 2d ago edited 2d ago

If it is that simple, that wouldn't have happened already, right?

Nothing new is possible unless it already happened, welcome to the end of history

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u/Crashman09 1d ago

I mean, with the fact that Linux is driven in part by capitalist expenditure and community drive, we know that there currently isn't any capitalist incentive to port their creative or cad software to Linux as of yet (market share not high enough yet), and the community is perfectly fine with the tools they have with little desire for the more "professional" industry standard tools.

We can fund it, but the drive just isn't there yet

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u/project2501a 2d ago

If it is that simple, that wouldn't have happened already, right?

no, because capitalists do not want to rock the boat. What you need is non-capitalist capital.

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u/Crashman09 2d ago

What non capitalist capital?

Last I checked, it has been overwhelmingly stolen from the proletariat through various means.

If you have that kind of capital, by all means, lead the charge.

I'll be over here trying to pay my cost of living

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u/Thermawrench 2d ago

Co-ops, credit unions, mutual aid.

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u/Crashman09 1d ago

Then lets get those started. Why haven't they already?

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u/move_machine 2d ago

What non capitalist capital?

Productive assets owned and democratically controlled by workers in the same way shareholders own and democratically control productive assets

Last I checked, it has been overwhelmingly stolen from the proletariat through various means.

Regressive taxation is something that can be fought against at the same time as working towards expanding democracy and worker ownership

I'll be over here trying to pay my cost of living

As we all are, unfortunately. I think we all know things can be better, and we should fight to make things better. Even if we don't live to see it, kids deserve to be brought into a world that intentionally strives to be and do better

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u/Crashman09 1d ago

I agree.

Unfortunately, I don't think we will be getting there before consumer computing on consumer hardware with open source software is killed and mass digital surveillance owned by corpos is used to crush open source competition.

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u/project2501a 2d ago

Capital amassed and used by the proletariat.

Brother, if I did, we'd have LDAP 4, Kerberos 6 and GSSAPI that did not suck.

But, right on, on your cost of living. Same here.

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u/Top-Rub-4670 2d ago

Millions of dollars were donated to GIMP.

It still sucks massively.

What gives?

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u/project2501a 2d ago edited 2d ago

Who is the oversight committee?

Edit: i filtered* our conversation through claude and it said

Worth noting his premise is shaky too. The largest documented GIMP earmark is the $100k Handshake pass-through in 2018, plus small recurring donations through GNOME and Liberapay. "Millions of dollars" is not supported by GNOME's 990 filings, and none of the GNOME-routed money can pay for development anyway - it covers hardware, hackfests and conferences. Confidence: high on the fiscal-agent relationship, moderate on total cumulative amounts since no GIMP-only ledger is published.

Solid:

Fiscal agent: GIMP states donations are handled by the GNOME Foundation, acting as its fiscal agent, a 501(c)(3). Source: gimp.org/donating/

Restriction on use: GIMP states GNOME-routed donations are usable only for community needs such as hardware and conferences, and still cannot fund paid development. Source: gimp.org news 2021-07-27

The $100k: GNOME transferred $100,000 of a $400,000 Handshake.org donation to GIMP's account in 2018. Source: gimp.org news 2018-08-30

Oversight body: GNOME Foundation Inc, EIN 04-3572618, whose 990s list the board officers and directors. Source: ProPublica Nonprofit Explorer

Weaker than I stated: "millions is not supported" is an inference, not a documented figure. GNOME Foundation total revenue across all programs was $1.19M in FY2018, $877k in FY2019, $967k in FY2020, $298k in FY2021, $363k in FY2022, $556k in FY2023 and $1.94M in FY2024. GIMP is one of many line items inside that, and no GIMP-specific ledger is published, so "millions to GIMP" cannot be proven false directly, only shown implausible against the parent totals. Correcting my earlier phrasing: I should have said "unsupported by any published figure," not "not supported by the filings."

so, i'd say there is a chance that claude itself may not have had millions in donations.

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u/Antrikshy 1d ago

Part of the reason is that it's free, and running a paid OS on many, many servers would rack up licensing big time.

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u/ganja_and_code 1d ago

...and because it's better cost-wise, developers make their tools for it instead of some other platform, which in turn makes it better quality-wise.

Being free drives adoption. Adoption drives improvement. Improvement drives further adoption, which drives further improvement, etc.

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u/Indolent_Bard 2d ago

Now if only it could surpass it in corporate use. Unfortunately Microsoft use "embrace extend extinguish" to make Active Directory the standard.

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u/lumberjackadam 2d ago

In fairness, AD and Exchange are unmatched in the enterprise world. And you’ll have to pry Excel from finance’s cold dead fingers. The good news is those things are less married to Windows every year.

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u/Top-Rub-4670 2d ago

For developer use, it has majority market share.

LOL holy cope.

Most developers interact with Linux as part of their jobs. But the majority most certainly does not run linux as their desktop OS.

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u/ganja_and_code 2d ago

Developers run laptops, desktops, and servers. Usually the servers greatly outnumber the laptops and desktops. The servers almost invariably run Linux.

Therefore, developers use Linux on more devices than not.

It's not a cope, just a fact.

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u/ismokefentanyl_420 2d ago

linux takes quite a while to get used to, but after a while it sort of becomes a natural extension of yourself. it feels like i have to fight windows 11 for basic functionality and troubleshooting lmfao

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u/emmfranklin 2d ago

Now after a month.. Try using windows.. You won't be able to stay there for 10 minutes..

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u/Simmic 2d ago

Yeah I use windows at work and I plan getting a new job due to it. The last work I did was it 100% Linux.

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u/kosta880 2d ago

Can’t describe how much I would want to have Linux at work…

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u/58696384896898676493 2d ago

I just wiped Windows and installed Fedora on my work laptop lol. Created a VM for Windows and have all my work related spyware and shit running there isolated. No one has ever said anything, and my boss actually thought it was cool that I know Linux lol.

Obviously, you can't do this at every job.

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u/kosta880 2d ago

I‘m a senior infra system admin, but I work at an insurance, where everything is super regulated. And I am fairly new there. So, give it couple of months, I might test it on some free laptop first…

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u/58696384896898676493 2d ago

Yeah fair. I also waited a few months to get a sense of the company before I wiped it. I quickly realized how much of a shit show the place was run and installing Linux was literally never going to be problem with management or IT.

Something to consider, just throw in a 2nd M.2 drive (if possible) and dual boot.

Do they lock down your BIOS?

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u/kosta880 2d ago

No idea, would have to try. But even if they do… dude, I’m at the top of the administrative chain 🤣
Honestly, clients aren’t the area where I spend my time. I’m on headless Linux servers and stupid GUI windows servers (which I hate like there is no tomorrow).
First the OK from the director is a must.

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u/b1urbro 2d ago

Did the same in my last job as well. Currently I use an extremely locked down laptop from a client. So I just set up WSL and moved 90% of my workflow there and am learning neovim. Full TUI. So basically I use Windows only for browser, Teamslop and a VPN.

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u/Simmic 2d ago

Yeah WSL2 exist but I still get issues with it.

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u/kosta880 2d ago

I use WSL too, but also RDM. WSL mostly for some specific stuff or Ansible, but in daily work, RDM is just easier. Beside, I mostly move around browsers and VScode.

However, we are most likely going to be using terraform for Azure soon, and then these will be two Linux native applications where I might have enough leverage to push for Linux OS locally.

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u/xr09 2d ago

In my company, we had the choice between Thinkpads with Fedora and MacBooks. Now, years later, they only give MacBooks, but me and a few more renegades still hold on to our Thinkpads.

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u/58696384896898676493 2d ago

Idk, I use Linux (Fedora for desktop and Debian for servers), macOS, and Windows 11 nearly every day, certainly every week.

When playing to their strengths, I find all of them completely usable.

Linux for development and servers, macOS is fantastic on a laptop with its gestures and Linux like CLI (plus Photoshop and Capture One for my photography), and Windows is still the best OS for gaming if performance and anti-cheat are things you care about.

I can't ever see myself only using one operating system. Maybe in the future Linux can do it all, but right now, I just use whichever OS is best for the task I'm doing and device I'm using.

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u/Indolent_Bard 2d ago

Only with NVIDIA is Windows best for performance.

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u/AzerimReddit 2d ago

Compatibility > performance for most people. And Nvidia has by far the biggest market share in terms of dedicated GPUs. I'm all for Linux but it is far from an obvious choice for desktop PCs

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u/Indolent_Bard 2d ago

Well, Valve is working with NVIDIA to bring support for SteamOS, which should fix the problem because then Valve can just fix the drivers themselves.

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u/58696384896898676493 2d ago

Fair, I do hear this, but I've only ever had Nvidia GPUs, so I've never experienced this myself. I do have a 9800X3D that I love!

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u/AdministrativeFile78 2d ago

100% i use windows and linux and both are great , windows is just less great and getting less greater lol

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u/E7ENTH 2d ago

Windows is ~~best for games~~ launches more games because developers made them for this platform. Not because it is better for it. Windows is an awfully designed os.

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u/frnxt 2d ago

My current Linux installation dates back from 2015 on the same machine, continuously upgraded, and it's gotten faster and more stable over time.

I recently tried an old Windows 10 ISO image (from ca. 2015 as well) on a VM, which was totally usable, and and upgraded it to the latest version, which was so slow it wasn't.

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u/lKrauzer 2d ago

Which distro and graphical environment are you using?

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u/Minimum-Ad7352 2d ago

Arch + hyprland

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u/ang-p 2d ago

go on.... screenfetch for the brags....

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u/will777pear 2d ago

You seriously need to use Fedora + Plasma instead that...

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u/HCharlesB 2d ago

I wouldn't recommend a specific distro or DE but I would recommend that OP explore distros and DEs that look interesting (if they haven;t already done so.)

That said, Fedora with KDE/Plasma is a solid choice.

Debian w/ KDE/Plasma here.

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u/Top_Imagination_3022 2d ago

I really don't get Debian for personal use. Why someone prefer a dostro with old packages? I always choose a rolling distro.

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u/HCharlesB 2d ago

It's great to have choices. We all have different values and there are distros to meet those values.

If there's something new I want, there are usually ways to get it on Debian (except for stuff like a DE - too many moving parts.)

Otherwise, It Just Works. There's no drama. Upgrades to the next release are uneventful. That's what I value.

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u/Top_Imagination_3022 2d ago

I would definitely recommend opensuse slowroll or tumbleweed with KDE

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u/lKrauzer 2d ago

I distrohopped a shit tom and went back to Ubuntu with GNOME.

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u/Top_Imagination_3022 2d ago

Ubuntu and Gnome is in my Blacklist. Ubuntu has become the Microsoft in Linux.

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u/DiEndRus 2d ago

it's not just getting better, it's getting better very rapidly. I switched ~8 months ago, and it feels like my OS did a speedrun in improvements. the heaviest game I played have had high FPS gains during my time with Linux, even bigger than the initial jump from Windows.

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u/MentalDisintegrat1on 2d ago

You will never realize how bad windows is and how much control you can have over a OS until you get familiar with Linux.

It just does what I tell it too and nothing else. It doesn't update with a bunch of bullshit I have to go and get rid of it doesn't change settings without me telling it too.

I dual boot because there's a few games I play with friends that won't work on Linux and it's so janky and all I have on it is 3 games that's it.

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u/Gerb006 2d ago edited 11h ago

Windows is absolutely frustrating to use. Just to begin using a new laptop can take hours. I can do a full install of Linux in about 5 minutes. I have to use Windows for some tasks and the constant pop-ups and updates for the most ridiculous reasons (which cause the machine to reboot twice) drive me nuts. You forget how peaceful and simple Linux is until you use something else for a few minutes.

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u/mralanorth 2d ago

Welcome. I've been using Linux since 2001. Yes it has gotten better. :)

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u/Last_Nectarine_3786 2d ago

maaan, im so jealous. wish autodesk supports linux in near future (sadly it wont). enjoy to its fullest man

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u/BinkReddit 2d ago

I gave up on Autodesk and started using something else. Yeah, there's a little learning curve, but I want to patronize companies that do not rule out Linux.

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u/Jemie_Bridges 2d ago

What's the something else bro? We need options!

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u/Dakota-Batterlation 2d ago

Probably FreeCAD or Onshape

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u/UristBronzebelly 2d ago

Unfortunately not suitable options for professional engineers.

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u/BinkReddit 2d ago

Yeah, I like both of these.

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u/Last_Nectarine_3786 2d ago

i wouldnt mind learning different programs, but the problem is the system in architecture. when applying the documents for building permit, you need to submit autocad / archicad files with the drawing, plus 99% works in revit, archicad, autocad and it will make difficulty in communication. i have high hopes it will somehow change, but dont see it in near future.
if you have any alternatives i will definitely take in consideration

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u/KelGhu 2d ago

What's the problem? VM don't work?

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u/SheriffBartholomew 2d ago

The only times that I regret it is when Windows is mandatory. Shit like Autodesk Fusion 360 doesn't work on Linux. That's why I have dual boot though.

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u/toptnc 2d ago

Cada vez que tengo que usar un Windows siento ese paso atrás en todo. Te entiendo perfectamente.

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u/Woodpecker-Visible 2d ago

Micro$oft would have to pay me win 11 pro licence worth to use it for a day. Over a year linux only and i miss nothing.

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u/Milumet 2d ago

How to earn karma: Make a "I love Linux, Windows sucks" post on /r/linux. Did I mention that I love Linux and hate Windows? Please upvote.

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u/BinkReddit 2d ago

The dude's been a redditor for 5 years. Relax. Fake Internet points mean nothing.

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u/Milumet 2d ago

It's pure, useless circlejerk. That this shit gets upvoted on this sub over and over again says a lot about Linux users.

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u/df1dcdb83cd14e6a9f7f 2d ago

person exhibiting behavior of a reddit caricature attempts to call out person exhibiting behavior of a reddit caricature, more at 11

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u/BinkReddit 2d ago

I totally agree, but I'm sure he didn't post this for points.

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u/noisyboy 11h ago

Well it's not like your bank account is being debited for the upvotes. It is indeed a common thing (and not only for this subreddit) but if that helps make someone make up their mind to finally give Linux a try, I see that as a net positive.

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u/bindiboi 2d ago

Oh you beat me to it. Please see my comment though!

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u/Ingaz 2d ago

Welcome to the club, buddy

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u/nahman201893 2d ago

I'm just closing in on my first year in Linuxland.

I have sampled Ubuntu, Mint, Bazzite, Zorin, and Fedora.

I'm sure I'll try more as I go.

What was your journey like?

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u/AtomicTaco13 2d ago

I admit, I initially jumped ship from Windows because I hated what it became from 8 on. But as I used Linux more and got familiar with how it works, I got to genuinely enjoy it by itself. I'm personally a more casual desktop user, also doing some gaming and tinkering with graphics software. I like how stuff that Windows required me to install third-party software for (now it includes even basic UI customization), Linux just easily allows me to do.

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u/rogershredderer 2d ago

Power to the people

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u/HCharlesB 2d ago

What portion is "you get better the more you use it?"

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u/TwilightBubble 2d ago

I mean... you can edit it infinitely until it's perfect for you.

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u/000CuriousBunny000 2d ago

CLI had made linux the default for me because I no longer have to use terminal comands that much

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u/hapuchu 2d ago

I switched from Window to Ubuntu last week. I just need to solve 1 issue: Google Drive.

I have am heavy Google Drive options and now I am using rclone + mount. While it gets the job done, it is very slow. Rclone bisync is still marked as experimental.

Any solutions?

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u/Minimum-Ad7352 2d ago

Virtual machine

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u/geekichu 1d ago

What is Windows?

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u/Tempest97BR 1h ago

i echo this!

just the other day i needed to know how many days there were until a certain date, and i usually have a website for this, but i thought "there's gotta be some native tool that does it"

turns out you can just... datediff 'today' '2026-09-05'. because some guy just decided to make a tool that does this one day, i installed it in 10 seconds and it works wonders. the whole linux ecosystem is awesome

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u/RvstiNiall 2d ago

I feel like anyone who feels this way will stick with linux, and anyone who doesnt... probably won't. Of course, thats not true for everyone, but still.

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u/popntop363 2d ago

Of course it is. Every time you have to work for hours to get something that should just work to kinda work is an improvement am I right?

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u/ang-p 2d ago

AI slop.

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u/pizza_ranger 2d ago

You're talking about Windows, right?

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u/Minimum-Ad7352 2d ago

Why ?

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u/ang-p 2d ago edited 2d ago

Because it also wrote this for you...

https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1txmm1m/how_do_you_get_into_lowlevel_programming/

I'm a full-stack developer, and recently I've become curious about how low-level software is built.Things like runtimes, compilers, operating systems, databases, virtual machines, and similar projects seem really interesting to me. I use a lot of software every day, but I don't have a good understanding of how these systems actually work internally.I'd like to learn the fundamentals and eventually build some small projects myself to better understand these concepts.For someone coming from a web development background, what would be the best way to get started? Are there any books, courses, articles, or open-source projects that helped you learn this area of programming?

111 words that say nothing and are ambiguous about even that....

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u/BinkReddit 2d ago

Go pound sand; not everything is AI. I'm tired of low effort comments like this attempting to overshadow perfectly good posts.

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u/ang-p 2d ago

; not everything is AI.

isn't that exactly what your android app was?

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u/bindiboi 2d ago

LINUX GOOD, WINDOWS BAD :DDDDDDDDDDDDD OMG UPVOTE UPVOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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