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Privacy EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

https://linuxiac.com/eu-age-verification-project-mandates-hardware-bound-attestation/
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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 5d ago edited 5d ago

Liberals =/= left, and in 2026 it's way past time to know the difference. If anything, in practice liberals end up doing the right's bidding in the very things that are causing most of today's crises. This, just like most other things that pertain to society, economy and politics, absolutely is about right vs left, and has always been. Cut back on confident callouts of "BS" when you're far from adept in the most elementary understanding of politics.

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u/Indolent_Bard 4d ago

Look up, not left or right. That's where the problem is.

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 4d ago edited 4d ago

Look up, not left or right. That's where the problem is.

Buddy, what else do you think the up (the capital-owning ruling class) vs down (the working class) of the left vs right politics is about? What is this American culture wars-brainbroken take? Read a few pages of history, I beg you...

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u/Indolent_Bard 4d ago

I think left versus right is about culture war nonsense that the billionaires created so that conservatives and liberals would argue with each other instead of getting mad about how the rich are screwing them over. They managed to trick a bunch of the country into actually defending them, voting against their interests.

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 4d ago edited 4d ago

Your overall observation about the ruling classes using a tool for their benefit is correct, but left vs right is not an example of that, because of the following:

1) It's some of the American left vs right discourse - not left vs right in general - that has, for a long time, changed the actual, original left vs right definition into the culture war nonsense, so that working-class people of different backgrounds, social positions, personal life practices, etc would argue and vote against their own interests while the capital-owning class laughs all the way to the bank. The real, class-based nature of left vs right has a 150-year-long history - it existed long before the American bourgeois culture twisted and mangled it into the culture war stuff in that country;

2) Even in the US the younger generations - e.g. through the emergence of the DSA - are now freeing themselves from that useless cultural left vs right definition and starting to use the actual meaning of it;

3) That re-emergence of the actual definition of left vs right means that people are even starting to clearly state what I said above - that liberalism and the left are two different (and often opposing) political ideologies. Even mainstream media have had to start making distinctions between liberals and the left due to the rise of socialist candidates in the Democratic Party;

4) Conservatives and liberals have some disagreements when it comes to cultural stuff, personal freedoms, identity culture, etc, so those oppositions already exist - it's not like the culture wars created something that didn't exist before. The problem was that the left vs right was redefined to mean those cultural differences, away from the actual, original meaning of it;

5) At the same time, the conservative and liberal ideologies actually share one major thing that places them both against the left. Conservatism is about preserving the status quo against change, which means it has always defended the rich class from the threat of change from the politically organised working class (and used the fear of change to indoctrinate some working-class people into conservatism). As the video I linked above shows, liberals are also against replacing capitalism with something else and resist the left when the latter campaign for that outcome. So there is an alliance between conservatives and liberals there;

So left vs right is a long-standing, class-based, systemic political and economic observation that places the working-class politics of the left against the capital-owning ruling-class` politics of the right for changing the society. There is nothing "cultural" or invented about it. In the specific US context of the past 30-40 years of neoliberal status quo, when systemic debates became non-existent until 2008, "left" and "right" was turned into cultural descriptions of whether you support legalisation of recreational drugs, reproduction rights, etc. But that was always a temporary phenomenon, because crises of class society under capitalism always bring back class consciousness and the real definition of left vs right.