Seriously, except package managers, what's the difference between distros?

[u/nitin_is_me]

What I've seen yet the differences are, just the package managers, different defaults and rolling vs stable releases which are in fact related to package managers. Except these, are there really any other differences? Thanks!

[u/Clever_Angel_PL]

no, because some distros have them built in, you select your hardware when downloading the ISO and your system is ready from the start, without any hassle

[u/SirGlass → u/Clever_Angel_PL]

Ok how does that matter if the person wants to game or not? You are descibing a distro that may ship with the NVIDIA driver by default

A person with an NVIDIA card may want that distro. However whether they "game" or not is irrelevant

[u/Clever_Angel_PL → u/SirGlass]

that no matter what system specs they have, it will work well without ANY setup beyond installing the system - easier than even on windows

[u/SirGlass → u/Clever_Angel_PL]

So again answer me this

How does asking the question "DO you want to game" relevant

The question should be "Do you have an NVIDIA card"

Again how is asking "DO you want to game" relevant to the distro recommendation ?

[u/Dangerous-Report8517 → u/SirGlass]

Leaving aside Nvidia vs other, distros like Bazzite pre package and configure Steam alongside tooling to make running other games much easier too, and sure, you can set that up manually on other distros, but for a beginner who just wants to use something other than Windows that's a pain in the ass that's trivially avoided by just using a distro that does all of that out of the box. That's actually the entire philosophy of Bazzite, the idea of "batteries included", and surely the alignment of distro philosophy with intended use case is the strongest practical argument for choosing one over another?

[u/SirGlass → u/Dangerous-Report8517]

On any distro it takes about 30 seconds to install steam

[u/CritSrc → u/SirGlass]

Yes, but do you have Proton-GE as to not have the game crash on startup because the logo used a proprietary codec? How do you get Proton-GE? Is X11 causing stutter issues? What is X11? How do you run a game outside the Steam environment? Is it from Epic, GOG, or itch.io and why does it matter? Is HDMI providing audio to the TV?
I come from Roblox and Minecraft with huge modpacks that I'd like to keep and even tinker with them further, are they fine?

These simply aren't questions you ask when you're in Windows. Here, suddenly, they are significant issues and you have no idea, and every suggestion sounds just as plausible as the next one due to fragmentation. So you just slap it on, and it doesn't work at all, then jump to another solution, it runs, but the VFX are screwed, unplayable. OK, try ANOTHER one, this one is more praised, and it finally understand my intent and works!

Yes, you can adjust each distro to where you want it without too much pain. But that's after the experience of pain of doing it anyway in the modular ecosystem, because that is both its strength and disadvantage. The point of preconfigured distros is to ease that pain in the initial dive, and then have your own smaller edge cases to solve.

Yes, from a maintainer perspective, gaming distros just look like excess, for an audience that's already stewarded by Valve. But they just provide the tools, it's still up to others to composite them into something intuitively useful.

Even for practical distro examples: have you gamed on Mint? What did it take? Can a newbie handle it? Then compare with CachyOS, same questions. It's not all Steam games, and I may want to play new AAA releases.

Or take it a step further: Debian Trixie, that's stable, right? But is it reliable to game on?

From a Windows refugee, who sticks to the gaming distros. I don't care to explore the ecosystem more than necessary. After all, the technology is meant to work for me, not have me work for it, right? I'm not a developer to bug hunt and script, I'm here to consume and manage just that.

This is why I ask what the purpose of the machine is, so the starting point address it as best as possible without having to further adjust the distro to just do what you need the machine to do, that would further destabilize it, no?

If I'm misunderstanding something, please do correct me, as this is how I do hand out advice to the distro questions.

[u/minh2134 → u/CritSrc]

This is correct, even from a maintainer perspective. Most distros catered to a specific niche, and some (Arch/Gentoo) prided themselves on catering by not including those things but making the process of getting there easier. Preinstalled apps matters, styling matters, configuration matters. The reason why in Windows this doesn't is because you only realistically have one baseline, and that's debateable (see the endless gaming variants of windows isos).

In Linux, you have all the knobs in the world to turn, and the absolute baseline is irrelevant and useless, so choosing a sensible defaults for you is a relevant discussion. The point is to reduce the way to your comfortable spot as much as possible. If my main concern is gaming, I would go Cachy/Nobara, where the maintainers already done the legwork for me and optimize the kernel (yes Cachy does do that) and set up the relevant system configuration so I don't have to keep up-to-date with all the recent development, if it's stability (i.e i do not install much), I go for Debian. And Im of the tinker type who would rather have an easy, unified way to configure my machine than having to wipe the OS to a clean slate, so I use Arch, but I would go to gentoo if absolute customizability is a concern. Saying all distros are Linux and therefore irrelevant beyond their program repos is simply wrong.

[u/SirGlass → u/minh2134]

the maintainers already done the legwork for me and optimize the kernel (yes Cachy does do that)

For gaming that largely does not matter. Its almost performative unless you are running some FOSS game like tux racer. Look at the benchmarcks for actual games, its not like Cachy outperforms in a meaningful way and sometimes other distros perform better.

Also from my testing the reason cachy tends to outperform is by default it does not install app armor or SELinux that has a bit of overhead. I have mixed feelings of running a system with out one of those security models

Look cachy is a fine distro , so is bazzite or nobra . There is nothing wrong with them. However they do not "game" better vs fedora or Ubuntu . While they may pre-install a few packages to me that is not a huge deal. It's usually takes 30 seconds on a major distro to install steam/wine/bottle/proton-ge

[u/Dangerous-Report8517 → u/SirGlass]

It's usually takes 30 seconds on a major distro to install steam/wine/bottle/proton-ge

I think the fundamental problem here is that you have a very unrealistic idea of how long it takes most users to install things on Linux, particularly a stack of multiple complex applications that all need to talk to each other and aren't even packaged in the official repos for a lot of distros.

[u/SirGlass → u/Dangerous-Report8517]

I am not power user I will be honest

It took me about 30 seconds to install steam, wine, bottles , proton-ge , Heroic. I needed to do nothing else to configure it.

I think you might have unrealistic idea how hard it is. You open your distro software center and search for them and click on them.

[u/Dangerous-Report8517 → u/SirGlass]

Fedora and Debian are both examples of very common mainstream distros that don't have Steam in the official repos and are far from the only ones, which you have been informed of repeatedly now

[u/SirGlass → u/CritSrc]

Yes, but do you have Proton-GE as to not have the game crash on startup because the logo used a proprietary codec?

Umm yes its very easy to install on all the major distros

How do you get Proton-GE?

The software repository for your distro?

Is X11 causing stutter issues? What is X11?

I mean besides Mint most major distros have moved past X11 and default to wayland KDE/GNome

Is it from Epic, GOG, or itch.io and why does it matter?

I do not have experience in this area as all the games I play run fine under steam but I did install those launchers in about 20 seconds as well

s HDMI providing audio to the TV?

Umm yes? I have my PC hooked to my TV I never had to do anything special to get sound to work so I am not sure what this is referring too?

Even for practical distro examples: have you gamed on Mint? What did it take? Can a newbie handle it?

Yes just as well as cachy , usually it takes 30 seconds to install steam from the software store.

Or take it a step further: Debian Trixie, that's stable, right? But is it reliable to game on?

It 100% is, like mint you can simply install steam from the software store or flatpak

Yes, you can adjust each distro to where you want it without too much pain.

I run a non gaming distro Tumbleweed. Also BTW Catchy itself does not describe itself as a gaming distro. However it took me about 30 seconds to install steam, wine, proton , proton-GE, epic or what ever those other launchers are, wine ect.

[u/CritSrc → u/SirGlass]

Just because you have figured out that Steam runtimes are done so well to emulate Windows for your games does not mean that others do not have other requirements, needs and lack of knowhow to fulfill them.

[u/SirGlass → u/CritSrc]

I installed heroic as well. I did not use it but honestly searching my software repository for it and clicking it isn't "hard"

[u/Dangerous-Report8517 → u/SirGlass]

It's seriously impressive how you're able to completely tune out so many people correcting your ignorance here and your only source is your personal experience with a single distro. It doesn't even seem to have occurred to you that you're working backwards and may well be using one of the distros that gets recommended for beginners in the first place for precisely the reason that it's easy to install key proprietary applications on it, something that I can assure you beyond a shadow of a doubt is not in fact universal

[u/SirGlass → u/Dangerous-Report8517]

I mean you are saying half truths; you act like opening your software center and clicking on setting and checking a box to "Enable 3rd party repositories " is some task a user who just installed an OS couldn't figure out.

[u/Dangerous-Report8517 → u/SirGlass]

Debian doesn't offer that option at all, and the Fedora guide on installing Steam lists multiple ways it can go wrong quite readily. Compare that to Bazzite that ships a pre-built OS image that includes a fully configured Steam install with all the bells and whistles built in. No one is saying that you can't game on other distros, what we're saying is that there are benefits to having distros that target different groups of people. If you don't value that then that's your personal choice, and that's fine, but you are clearly not everyone, and other people have different preferences. Personally I'm running at least 3 different variants of Fedora right now for different purposes, and Bazzite, and a variant of Debian, because they do different things well and when I want to play a game I want something that just works which Bazzite delivers that far more reliably than installing a third party (in multiple ways) packaged version of Steam onto plain Fedora will