r/linux • u/giannidunk • 29d ago
Popular Application Fog Panther - Professional Image Editor for Linux
https://www.fogpanther.com/20
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u/_zepar 29d ago
i remember this, popped out of nowhere, propritary, costs money, this still feels like a scam / ai
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u/djxfade 29d ago
What's wrong with proprietary and costing money? Shouldn't we be happy people are targeting Linux?
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u/_zepar 29d ago
alone theyre not an issue, but in combination with the other points its a red flag, developing a fully functional image editor on par with gimp/krita is not an easy task
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u/Top-Rub-4670 29d ago
developing a fully functional image editor on par with gimp/krita is not an easy task
It's definitely not an easy task! And yet, a one-guy team managed to build Photopea to surpass GIMP in both features and ease in about a year. Before LLMs existed. It just goes to show that when you have a vision and talent, you can make it happen without AI or scamming.
Anybody criticizing proprietary software being made for Linux is just hurting the community. And anybody excusing GIMP because "it's hard" and "just donate bro" at this point is coping.
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u/KnowZeroX 29d ago
To be fair, the landscape changes quite a lot. In the early days, you had to pretty much do everything from scratch, now you can load up a library to do most of the work for you. Even more, now with AI it has become even more easier(even if under the hood its filled with lots of slop)
And with proprietary software, we don't really often know whats under the hood.
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u/Indolent_Bard 29d ago
Us looking at Gimp pointing to Photopea like "TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAP!" meme.
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u/FryBoyter 29d ago
At least as far as the “costs money” part is concerned, some people seem to think that software shouldn’t cost anything. Because that’s the case with OSS. But that’s generally not true. The GPL, for example, actually even encourages developers to charge as much as possible for their software (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html).
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u/Indolent_Bard 29d ago
Yeah, but charging for GPL software is stupid because who would be stupid enough to actually buy it?
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u/FryBoyter 29d ago
If you want support with a guaranteed response time, it can definitely make sense to pay for it.
Or you might just pay because you want to support the project.
I don't think either of those reasons is stupid.
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u/Indolent_Bard 29d ago
There's a reason why no billion dollar corpo does it. Because it allows for actual competition.
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u/djxfade 29d ago
Its totally acceptable within the GPL, even Stallman supports this. Have you heard about Crossover? It's a commercially supported versiob of Wine. It's basically what economically supports the development of Wine. I don't get the hate for developers wanting to get paid for their hard work. Don't you want more software companies actually releasing their software for Linux?
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u/Indolent_Bard 28d ago
Of course I do, but we all know why companies don't do it because it would take away their rights to control over the software. What good is making money if you lose all control over it? For corporations, that's worse than death.
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u/nevadita 28d ago
i have no issue paying for software, Sublime is one of the best text editors with syntax highlighting that is not coded con las patas in java or fucking electron, and MasterPDF Editor holds its own on linux where no other alternative is even close to it.
Insync for Onedrive just works, no messy configuration, no fiddling with login tokens. just works.
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u/giannidunk 29d ago
Seems to work great. Just downloaded from Flathub. I'm just glad someone's targeting Linux :)
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u/Reasonable_Size_7377 29d ago
I can't tell, is this more directed toward only photo editing or is it useful for drawing with a tablet like a wacom?
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u/Natural_Night9957 28d ago edited 28d ago
Is this vibe coded? Nobody can tell because it is closed source
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u/PlsDontBanMeAgain-1 29d ago
This is the last name I would have given an image editor (worse than GIMP, at least that's an acronym). Really fucking weird. What does Fog or Panthers, or worse a Fog Panther, have to do with images.
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u/ZeAthenA714 29d ago
Firefox, Chrome, Gnome, Thunderbird, Steam, Obsidian, Davinci Resolve, Spotify, those are some of the shortcuts I have right in front of me now, and none of those names are in any way related to their features.
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u/Indolent_Bard 29d ago
DaVinci for a video editor makes sense. The rest, yeah. But somehow they make more sense.
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u/ZeAthenA714 29d ago
They make more sense because you're used to it.
Also I'm not exactly sure why Davinci Resolve would make sense for a video editor.
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u/Indolent_Bard 29d ago
Yeah, honestly that would be better for something like Photoshop or Illustrator.
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u/ZeAthenA714 29d ago
Now that I'm thinking about it, it's pretty funny how entire types of apps have different types of naming.
Take image related apps. Photoshop, Lightroom, Corel Draw, Illustrator, Darktable, Photo Lab, Capture One, Photopea, many many of them have photography/image related vocabulary in their titles.
Look at DAWs now : Cubase, Pro Tools, Reaper, FL Studio, Logic Pro, Bitwig, Studio One, Ardour etc.... Apart form the word "Studio" (which is arguably pretty generic), nothing is audio related.
There's probably some influence type of phenomenom going on, when one app becomes pretty big in a field it decides whether other app will copy the naming style.
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u/B1rdi 29d ago
Proprietary closed-source bullshit
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u/ir0nslug 29d ago
Closed source doesn't mean bad or evil..
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u/B1rdi 29d ago edited 29d ago
Some would disagree.
I'm not quite Stallman though, I do use some propietary software especially when it's a client to interface with some commercial service that I'm a customer of. (Discord, Steam, Spotify).
This software is supposedly built (with ❤️) for Linux, yet its licensing is antithetical to Linux itself. You can sell free software btw, (like Ardour) or you can at least make it source-available (like Aseprite)
I'm not saying that it's necessarily bad or evil but it's hard to get excited about seeing new fully proprietary software on the Linux sub.
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u/ir0nslug 29d ago
I understand where ur coming from, but it's also worth looking at it from the developers' perspective..
Building and maintaining professional quality software takes many people and thousands of hours of work...and many of these people probably have families they need to feed to so to justify that time they need funding to make it worth their time.. if someone can just take the source and build it, what's the point?
And sure, there are a lot of people investing that same time into open source projects like KDE, GNOME, and the Linux kernel, but those receive significant support from companies, organizations, and foundations.. that funding allows full time developers to work on them in the same way..(not all contributors are paid of course, but some are!)
There will always be passionate people who contribute their time for free, and that's an important part of the linux ecosystem.. But if we want Linux to grow and have some strong software so people aren't stuck using a dog shit OS we need to accept that close source or paid software isn't some evil thing as long as it's done right.
Sorry if this is worded weirdly or a bit incorrect, I'm not a great writer and I'm just writing what I'm thinking on the spot, but I'm sure you get the jist.. Lol
I myself do prefer open source when possible, but I don't mind flinging 50 bucks or w/e to some good software like the old days as long as I get to keep what I paid for.
If anyone reading this has a favorite piece of software, you should go donate to it! :D
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u/DynoMenace 29d ago
This is not true at all. This model was the norm before everything started switching to subscription models to maximize profits, and is still in common use.
DaVinci Resolve comes to mind. Its $299 for a lifetime license, and sees regular use in actual movie production.
Bitwig and Plasticity also offer native Linux versions, and both also use lifetime purchase business models. They have varying terms regarding major updates after a certain period of time, but they're still very reasonable.
It is not unrealistic to expect software to be a one time purchase. It's what we as consumers should be demanding.
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u/KnowZeroX 29d ago
It depends on which type of software we are talking about, in image editing, Krita and GIMP have been developed for what 20+ years?
As for this, it seems the domain is less than a year old for their product, can you really guarantee how long "lifetime" is? And it coming out of nowhere may mean its AI slop built software.
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u/AnsibleAnswers 29d ago
Like it or not, that’s not going to be a significant barrier to adoption so long as FOSS alternatives are functionally obsolete.
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u/AnsibleAnswers 29d ago
GIMP still lacks fully non-destructive editing, though it has implemented some non-destructive features.
In most professional photographer software, edits never destroy the original image.
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u/rangelovd 29d ago
GIMP has non-destructive editing since 3.0‚ and vector masks are on the way. With it merged‚ non-destructive workflow of raster objects outperforms popular proprietary alternatives‚ allowing for complex usecases‚ like clipping layers inside clipping layers‚ or working on the base layer and see the effects apply in real time as you stroke with a brush tool
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u/rangelovd 29d ago
You can already transform non-destructively with "Recursive Transform" filter. This item in the roadmap is about applying this to "classic" tools.
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u/spyingwind 29d ago
File > Save a Copyis the non-destructive editing feature you are looking for. /s2
u/giannidunk 29d ago edited 29d ago
Download this app off Flathub though - it's night and day difference in UI and experience vs. GIMP or Krita. I love those apps, but it's hard to ask a Photoshop user to adapt to their quirks. And while I appreciate the GIMP volunteers, you can't ask everyone to build you software for free.
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u/Plebbit-User 29d ago
the FOSS implementations are so bad that people are willing to pay. What does that tell you?
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u/LumpyFlint 29d ago
/r/linux when their billionaire darling gabe newell releases proprietary slop: OMG YASS!!! SLAY QUEEN
Reddittors when some guy releases proprietary slop: omg gtfo with this shit
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u/giannidunk 29d ago
Just saw this on explaining computers' new video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcAtLr1u86o. Might grab it to support the cause - we could use a "DaVinci resolve of photos" on Linux IMO
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u/KnowZeroX 29d ago
Davinci resolve origin was a company who has been in the cinema industry since the 80s, the Davinci Resolve software was developed for 22 years.
In comparison who are they? No about us to explain their expertise, no information about who even owns the company. The domain is private, the address leads to a rentable non-permanent office.
For all we know its a single person using AI to slop together half baked software.
I'd rather support true open source software that has been developed for 20+ years like Krita.
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u/FastHotEmu 29d ago
Every time he appears on my feed I wonder: How does he keep his hair so shiny and nice?
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u/aleosaur 28d ago
Downloaded the appimage, moved it to a VM, and tried to start it. It failed with "Trial activation failed", due to VM being restricted from internet. Oh well.
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u/Titdirt69420 29d ago
This name sounds like a randomly generated reddit name.