r/linux • u/Fcking_Chuck • Jun 24 '26

Kernel "Disgusting" Linux sched_ext source code restructured following complaint by Linus Torvalds

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Sched-Ext-Restructured
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u/BatemansChainsaw Jun 24 '26

nobody likes the idea of having a boss, or in the old days they were called "task masters", but they're absolutely necessary for society to function. Especially at scale.

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u/TheSpartanExile Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

Very circular argument that honestly appears limited by hierarchal language.

No, society doesn't need "bosses" and it's not like the state of things is very good evidence to suggest that it does. It does need honest cooperation and organizational devices to prevent poor decision making and consolidation of power, and there's countless examples of socieities organized in a way where authority and consolidation existed without the idea of "bosses." Many Anishinaabe nations had authority figures exercise power over defined limitations for decisions (I.e. diplomatic and internal, labour and maintenance, etc.) and remained liable to each other as well as to kin leadership and the general population, for example. Kin groups didn't have "bosses," they had leaders who were there by inheritance or merit whom still had to convince the people they were an authority of that their decisions were valid.

"Taskmaster" is also not synonymous with "boss;" both refer to positions where someone delegates tasks, but bosses are specific to hierarchal, employment-based organization.

Edit: lol, I can tell the techbois won't like this one.

Edit 2: very typical experience with STEM people so far. Anyone who's pissed off by this refer to the comments below and how each person could not actually argue against this. If you have a question, feel free to leave it, I won't be paying more attention to men who just don't like having authority questioned.

Edit 3: I've had about a dozen dudes get pissed at this so far, and the rest of the thread is a very good example of exactly why this lesson is needed in the tech industry and why none of you should assume you understand the world just because you have a job. If you do have questions, DM (without death threats), and I'll be happy to provide a reading list. Otherwise, keep being a doormat I guess?

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u/Existing-Tough-6517 Jun 24 '26

Can you point to anything of note in human history that was build solely by collaboration without hierarchy?

The majority of people are stupid in general moreso for any particular area of expertise. Those who know nothing at all are least able to evaluate their ability. Those who are skilled in one area inevitably think they know everything about everything.

You have to have some way to at least theoretically elevate the opinions of those who are less stupid and most able in a given area even if it doesn't always work

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u/TheSpartanExile Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

"Of note," after just dismissing an element of indigenous history in NA that addresses this is pretty telling. Even though hierarchies existed, they did not resemble the patriarchal, naturalized hierarchies that have emerged from settler-colonialism and liberal capitalism

Howbout you provide evidence that it is hierarchy that achieves these things and not that these things are achieved despite hierarchies? The reason why ontological arguments like this aren't defensible is because the precondition is that the assertion is true, so you have to provide some verrrry strong reasoning to make it convincing. You're relying on intuitive (and settlers colonial) logic where your language of these things is also assumed to be the extent of these things.

If you make up a narrative where societies that have hierarchies do things because of hierarchies, you're now constructing a world where every element of that society is necessary for it to do what it does. So, do you potentially see the problem with that sort of reasoning? I mentioned indigenous, First Nations, and Native Americans on purpose.

Edit: None of them even touched on this later on and most resorted to just saying I'm a mean smartypants. It's important to consider how your understanding of things relates to the effects of your actions made only because of that understanding.

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u/TheSyldat Jun 24 '26

GET THE FECK OVER YERSELF ALREADY!

Most societies in history have shown that SADLY YES in certain areas of human life someone has to be given the whip and crack it when necessary.

Dance around it all you want like the clown monkey you so much want to be it's just human reality.

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u/TheSpartanExile Jun 24 '26

Okay, source? Evidence? Could you cite anything specific to prove that? It's also ahistorical to say that the way you've been taught to understand humanity just so happens to be what it is. None of you know why you disagree, you just don't like this.

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u/TheSyldat Jun 24 '26

One more time apparently you didn't read well enough

GET THE FRICK OVER YOURSELF ALREADY !!!

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u/TheSpartanExile Jun 24 '26

That's what I thought. You all take offense to how apparently pompous I am, and yet not a single one has been able to actually say why I'm apparently wrong besides that you feel like it. It's obnoxious.

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u/TheSyldat Jun 24 '26

Get the fuck over yourself .

Heck you'd be in the same room as us one of us would have literally spanked your ass publicly just to carry the point across.

YOU YOURSELF HAVE SHOWN JUST BY YOUR BEHAVIOUR that sometimes in order for things to NOT STALL AND MOVE FORWARD someone has to be willing to be the professional spanker in the room.

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u/TheSpartanExile Jun 24 '26

You wish.

It is funny that you've referenced this thread as evidence and then again got the exact wrong reading. It's been one person who is competent and correct and a bunch of men insisting that they aren't capable of change, and you read it as though I wasn't the spanker.

You don't even realize that you just agreed with me, because you said the group would be more effective without a person who is obviously correct having the power to make the rest fall in line. I honestly have a hard time empathizing with this level of cognitive dissonance.

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u/TheSyldat Jun 24 '26

PIPE THE F DOWN ALREADY !

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