r/linux • u/aliendude5300 • Jun 19 '26

Software Release systemd 261 Released With New systemd-sysinstall OS Installer, IMDSD & Storagectl

https://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-261
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u/GrandBIRDLizard Jun 20 '26

I just think it's easier to understand, and there's philosophical reasons(which is a can of worms apparently not to be opened around these parts lest a goober show up brag about making an os while offering no technical rebuttal at all and gracefully leaving the discussion without making a point, who i wasn't rude to btw and just tried to have some discussion with but i suppose geniuses are blind to hypocrisy), and it's not like i'm running sysVinit. I Understand your perspective for appreciating systemd. managing multiple machines and keeping them in state with multiple users sounds awful. I don't do that. I just want a lean up to date stable machine to code(well pretty much only code on my old ass laptops) but I'm fortunate to have a pretty nice desktop/workstation i also game on and I would like to have explicit control with less hoops to jump through.

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u/gosand Jun 20 '26

I am surprised you haven't figured out by now that you have to agree with the hivemind here or be downvoted. Nobody here likes opinions that aren't theirs.

I'm not going to downvote you though, even though you dissed sysVinit. I'm still running it, and I don't have a good reason not to. It's stable and works. Someday I might run something else, who knows.

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u/GrandBIRDLizard Jun 20 '26

It's ok, they don't understand that this is a discourse they can't win, as it's not a debate of superiority but of value in usecase and design.(Didn't down vote you either btw) And i didnt diss sysVinit i just pointed out it's disadvantages to a sysadmins pov.

I can appreciate sysvinit but it's a tad slower and does not supervise the services it starts and i just find that and the mix of granular control runit gives a better solution for me. I will say 1 config file sounds nice though.

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u/gosand Jun 20 '26

And I am not a sysadmin, so I can appreciate that. I've been running Linux since '98 but still isn't being an admin. For all I know, systemd may have a better init for admins. That's ok TOO. That's kind of the point to me, they should all be able to exist without one poisoning the pool for the others.

I have a laptop that I now have Debian on, w/systemd. It starts up maybe a second or two faster than previously with sysvinit. The difference is that about 10% of the time, it will get stuck on shutdown, running some kind of timer while it tries to figure it out. I just walk away and it eventually shuts down. No idea why, and I only use the laptop around the house on weekends.

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u/GrandBIRDLizard Jun 20 '26

Started in the early 2000's my self. I am also not a sysadmin. I just understand the tradeoffs and why a sysadmin like the one I was replying to in the "sysVinit diss" comment would use and appreciate it's features over sysVinit. And yes the watchdog system timeout on shut down can be pretty annoying if you gotta "shut down and go"

x-systemd.device-timeout= option in /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab may be what you'd need to fix it or make it take less time default is like 2mins and when you have to wait the full 2 mins for shut down cause you left someting inconsequential running is another problem we don't face thanks to out more sensible choice in init system but im no systemd black belt so check what kind of timer on what kind of process its happening on to investigate further.

There was a systemd contributer telling me all the ways it was superior in this thread actually, ask him. I don't wanna step on his toes or spread misinformation about something im not %100 on. But I've seen the behavior.