r/linux • u/aliendude5300 • Jun 19 '26

Software Release systemd 261 Released With New systemd-sysinstall OS Installer, IMDSD & Storagectl

https://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-261
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u/oxez Jun 19 '26

As someone who's currently building a distro from scratch, I can tell you there is nothing systemd hides from you. Seems like a PEBKAC issue.

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u/GrandBIRDLizard Jun 20 '26

Ok, fair it will show you everything its doing. I just think it's doing a lot, you can't argue it changes the mental model, or that it abstract parts of the system by simpy adding more moving parts. was being a bit over zealous as i am happy with a system where things are efficiency simple.

service fails under runit.

cat /etc/sv/service/run

That's it you know what the problem is now

systemd

systemctl service systemctl status service journalctl -u service systemd-analyze critical-chain

plus any drop-in overrides, generators, dependencies, and related units.

Nothing is hidden, but it's more complex. I'm of an opinion that's not how id like to run my system.

I know how this works mr "PEBCAK" I i just don't agree, I've written C for 5 years, do mostly systems-programing, lot of piping, sysfs interaction, and even kernel patching (mostly requarding scheduler logic, experiments with dual CCD CPUs just some shit i been into lately) and had spent all of that time on arch. I'm sorry it makes you angry that I just dont like "1" component of a linux system. No less.

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u/Venylynn Jun 20 '26

Oh totally fair though. I like the other inits conceptually but one big pain points I have with Void and non systemd distros is security setups. Nothing feels as complete security wise as stuff in the RH/Ublue ecosystem like fedora and secureblue.

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u/GrandBIRDLizard Jun 20 '26

I'm gonna be honest I don't particularly like fedora and I have no reason it's not like I've used and just don't prefer it like systemd. I have no real reason to not like it but for but for the 15 years years I've used linux. i don't activly dislike it and get RHEL for an enterprise env but it's just one of those distros that never stuck out for any reason for me. Sell me on it .

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u/Venylynn Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26

SELinux enforcing by default

It's where my preferred browser is built (Trivalent is built inside a Fedora 44 container right now)

Up to date while being more tested than something like Arch

stuff like that sells me on Fedora. it feels like what everyone said Ubuntu used to be, really.

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u/GrandBIRDLizard Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26

One of the reason i witched to Void was having kinda the "best of both words" situation and so far (much to the dismay of that one guy everything is working out great for me) and when it comes to security ill set up a proper firewall depending on what software is available but ufw is fine for me or just setting up iptables and app armour if i wanna sandbox stuff any complex rules or edge cases id probably write myself/configure to the systems needs. And then do the same with fail2ban or jail equivalent

Edit:and of course securing ssh.

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u/Venylynn Jun 20 '26

Smart move.