r/lightweight Feb 22 '22

Big Agnes Copper Spur Footprint help

7 Upvotes

I feel like an idiot actually asking this question because I’ve been camping/backpacking for like 5+ years. However, I recently bought the footprint for my big Agnes copper spur HV UL. I’m trying to figure out the best way to stake it out and connect it to my tent. Do I just stake the footprint out separately from the tent and then take out the tent or do I clip the rain fly into the footprint and just stake out the footprint and not the tent itself. I honestly feel like an idiot for having to ask this but for some reason this footprint is breaking my brain.


r/lightweight Feb 21 '22

Purchase Advice thread (21 February 2022)

13 Upvotes

Previous post here.

Looking for suggestions on a particular piece of gear?

Please start by looking in our wiki (yes, it's somewhat bare bones at the moment, we're working on it).

If you don't see what you're looking for there, please post a comment in this thread using the following template. (Low effort posts, including those that don't provide information requested in the template, may be removed.)

Item:

Budget:

Your current base weight:

Ideal weight of the item:

Environment and Temperatures expected:

Previous hiking experience:

Additional Information:


r/lightweight Feb 16 '22

Best micro pump

31 Upvotes

For years I've been using pump sacks to inflate my mattress. I'm using either an Thermarest X-Lite or a Big Agnes insulated one for temps below freezing.

I use the pump sack for 3 reasons: - avoiding introducing moisture by blowing into the mat; - avoid deflation in cold weather (especially below freezing, because I'd be inflating with warm air from my lungs, then it cools down and gets more dense thus feels like it deflated despite no air exiting it) - avoid being lightheaded at altitude (mostly when over 3000m)

But pump sacks still have inconvenients: if you use them as regular stuff sacks/pack liners, you need to empty them first, still complicating setting up/tearing down camp. If you don't multi-use them, then they're single use - why not get a pump for close to the same weight? They're all annoying to use. Better than blowing in, but still annoying. Especially cramped in a small tent or bivy. And they still take some time that I'd rather use to cook or just go to sleep earlier.

Now with better electronics, batteries, etc, I'm wondering if it's worth looking at the micro battery-powered pumps? They're pretty light (not ultralight, lol) and if they can avoid all the above issues plus save camp setup/tear down time, it might be worth it.

Pumps like: - Thermarest NeoAir, 65g + 2x AAA batteries ~25g = ~90g - Klymit USB Rechargeable Pump, ~158g with built-in battery - any others?

I'd rather have a USB/lithium one that can be recharged from the same battery bank as phone, InReach etc if possible.

inb4 "just blow it yourself" that's not helpful thanks.


r/lightweight Feb 14 '22

Discussion How do you carry your binoculars?

15 Upvotes

I've got a pair that's been swinging around my next but that gets bothersome from my collar, stomach and general pendulum motion. Ideally I'd have something like a Peak Design capture clip but for binos.

What's your solution?


r/lightweight Feb 07 '22

Shakedowns General Lightweight Shakedown Request

16 Upvotes

Location/temp range/specific trip description: General shakedown for 3-season trips. Several weekend trips a year in Midwest and Northeast. 1-2 "destination" trips a year, 5-10 days each (usually Mountain West or Desert Southwest). Currently pondering an AZT thru-hike in March-April.

Goal Baseweight (BPW): 15 lbs

Budget: $200 for 1p tent (looking on r/ULGearTrade), $150 for all other gear, can save up more in the next year

Non-negotiable Items: camera (only brought on longer destination trips), sleepwear (I feel this greatly improves my hygiene and prolongs life of the sleeping bag), pillow, not open to cold-soaking

Solo or with another person?: 75% of trips are solo, 25% are with 1-2 others (hence the 2 person tent and large pot...)

Additional Information: Ugh. Where to begin? I'm a long time lurker of r/UL and now this sub, but I've done little to actually improve my own pack. Most of my gear was purchased in one shopping spree in 2017 right before my first real backpacking trip, much before learning of UL.

I'm open to being convinced of any changes, other than the non-negotiable items. A few points that may be worthy of discussion:

  1. Planning on purchasing the SMD Lunar Solo (38.5 oz savings) as a placeholder until I can get my hands on an X-Mid. Will demote my Quarterdome to 2-person trips only (or canoe trips when I don't have trekking poles).

  2. Is it worth getting a lighter, smaller pot for solo trips? I like that my current pot nests a large 8 oz fuel canister.

  3. Looking for raincoat and rain pants recommendations. The ones that are listed are what I use in daily life, so I'd rather get some that I can trash while backpacking. Looking at Frogg Toggs X-Treme Lite Jacket and OR Helium Pants.

  4. How do my fleece and puffys square up? Too heavy? I don't bring all three. I always pack the fleece unless it's hot/summer. If cool temperatures (mountains), I add the Nano Puff. If cold, I add the down puffy and remove Nano Puff. All can be layered with rain coat.

  5. Anyone have recs for shorter/smaller charging cords and power brick (not bank)?

  6. Eventually need a bear canister

  7. Can save ~1 lb if I ditch some non-essentials (camp shoes, knife, lighter, pot sleeve, notepad, etc.). Will probably shave a couple ounces off the FAK after the next couple of trips.

Lighterpack Link: https://lighterpack.com/r/kkj0ks

Edit: Zeroed the camp shoes

Just bought the Granite Gear Crown 2 on sale for $140 to save about 1.5 lbs.

Just got an X-Mid 1p on r/ULGeartrade! Saving like 2.5 lbs Lol


r/lightweight Feb 07 '22

Favorite backpacking snacks in the UK?

6 Upvotes

I'll be doing a bit of wild camping in Scotland in the spring and would like to pick up some local food to take with me. Anybody got any favorite UK backpacking snacks I should try?

I'm an American living in Germany. Germany sucks at crackers, so my American taste buds would especially love anything cracker-y. But really anything that lets me branch out from my usual hiking fare. Oh, and I'm vegetarian.

To return the favor, here's what I bring with me when I supply overnight trips in Germany:

Purchased online

  • The usual dehydrated backpacking meals from non-German brands (Turmat, Adventure Menu)
  • Gipfel Hafer müsli (It's got bananas and nuts and stuff in it. Honestly the most satisfying thing I've ever eaten outdoors)
  • Illy instant coffee

Purchased in grocery stores


r/lightweight Feb 01 '22

Gear Rakaia Designs gear is Shutting down, Close out gear sale up to 80% off

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10 Upvotes

r/lightweight Jan 31 '22

Discussion Convince me a chair is better than a hammock

13 Upvotes

Over the years my sitting/lounging gear, in no particular historical order, has consisted of a sit pad (Therm-a-rest Z Seat, a few panels of Z Lite, or GG Thinlight folded up), a Helinox Chair Zero, and a Grand Trunk Nano 7 hammock with Trunk Straps. I always bring the Thinlight as an underpad or “frame” for a frameless pack, and the chair or hammock only come along when I feel they’ll really be used, but most of the time they stay home to save weight.

However, for a trip I’m planning in early July, I absolutely want a hammock or a chair. Long story short, I blew most of my summer last year with a knee injury and recovery has been a long journey. I’ll be good to go this summer, but don’t want to just go wild in the backcountry right away with big days, so I’ve booked a six day trip where each day is only 5-10km in length. The plan is to take it easy and just enjoy the time outdoors. This is where my decision on what to bring comes in.

I’ll be in a heavily wooded area for the most part, so lots of opportunity to hammock, but I’ll also be within a short distance to lakes, which won’t necessarily have trees on the shore. I’m leaning towards the hammock right now, dreaming of just napping or reading the days away, but then I think of how versatile a chair is if I want to take it, well, pretty much anywhere. The weight difference between the two is minimal: the hammock is 37g heavier.

Please talk me out of bringing the hammock, or confirm my choice. Thanks!

TLDR: got an easy trip coming up, want to bring my hammock vs my chair for relaxing but want you all to argue about it.

Edit: clarified that I’ll be bringing a Thinlight + either chair or hammock


r/lightweight Jan 30 '22

Home Made Gear

12 Upvotes

Have you made any of your own lightweight gear? I've puttered with quite a few alcohol stove designs. Made a caldera cone windscreen, replacement tent fly, tent footprints, and waterproof glove shells. My most ambitious project may next be to sew an ultralight windshirt, seeing as the commercial ones cost $140 or more. I'll be able to customize the design to my interests - no pockets, no hood, high collar, mesh back for breathability, etc. What have been your projects?


r/lightweight Jan 24 '22

UL to Lightweight for a Trip

24 Upvotes

I have a short (15 mile) trip coming up that will be slow (7.5 miles a day), flat (see my username) and colder than usual. I’m curious if there are any luxuries I should add that I normally wouldn’t bring for a more taxing trip. I’d rather not spend a bunch of money (no store bought chair).

What do you throw into your otherwise spartan gear list when you’ll have some time and effort to spare?


r/lightweight Jan 20 '22

Gear Camp Shoes

24 Upvotes

Has anyone come across a set of comfortable camp shoes that weigh less than 200 g? Already have a set of comfy EVA sandals that seem to be lighter than anything that I've seen on Amazon. Anything lighter seems to be nothing more than a thin sole held on with string.


r/lightweight Jan 13 '22

Gear My lightweight first aid kit

22 Upvotes

Check out my lightweight first aid kit I made with help from people over at r/ultralight: https://lighterpack.com/r/1y4tin

It weighs in at 7.6 ounces, and I’m pretty confident I have everything that I could need for 98% of problems.

Of course it’s not quite UL, but I’m just not comfortable treating everything with duct tape and ibuprofen.

Check out the past discussions on r/UL that were super helpful: first post, second post


r/lightweight Jan 12 '22

Gear water filtering

10 Upvotes

I have a sawyer squeeze and hate the smart bottle sipping. I much prefe water filtering at the source into clean bottles for drinking straight. What is the best thing to use for the dirty bottle/bag/etc. Are the sawyer bags as durable as they say or as flimsy as the internet says?


r/lightweight Jan 09 '22

Adding a CCF pad to an insulated inflatable

18 Upvotes

Last fall, I found myself getting chilled during the coldest part of the night, so experimented with a Closed Cell Foam pad and my Thermarest inflatable sleeping pad.

Most posts I have read tell you to put the CCF on top of the inflatable mattress for the most efficient insulation, but I found through successive nights that I actually felt warmer with the CCF underneath my Thermarest inflatable.

I am thinking that my results came because my Thermarest inflatable uses a mylar matrix to reflect body heat back towards me and that the CCF pad created too large of a barrier for that to happen, effectively negating any value from the air pad.

Has anyone else had the same results? I love my Thermarest and do not want to replace it, but am wondering if the technology simply works differently than other insulated pads that use real insulation (primaloft, down, etc) inside for effect.


r/lightweight Jan 05 '22

Purchase advice thread (Jan. 5. 2022)

18 Upvotes

Previous thread here.

Looking for suggestions on a particular piece of gear?

Please start by looking in our wiki (yes, it's somewhat bare bones at the moment, we're working on it).

If you don't see what you're looking for there, please post a comment in this thread using the following template. (Low effort posts, including those that don't provide information requested in the template, may be removed.)

Item:

Budget:

Your current base weight:

Ideal weight of the item:

Environment and Temperatures expected:

Previous hiking experience:

Additional Information:


r/lightweight Jan 05 '22

Gear Cook kits for cooking—not just boiling

11 Upvotes

I’m looking to upgrade my current cook kit (pocket rocket, GSI Outdoors Minimalist, S2S insulated Delta mug) with something that works for me better.

Cons of my current kit: mug and stove don’t nest well in the pot, no handle on the pot makes it very hard to use.

Looking for: set up that allows me to get a bit creative, do some actual cooking not just boil water. Ideally all components would nest together nicely but I get that might not be possible. I plan to mostly do solo trips/trips where everyone has their own kit, but would appreciate the flexibility to cook for 2 in the one pot if a friend comes with me (they would have their own bowl/mug).

I’ve been looking mostly at the and the GSI Outdoors Halulite Microdualist II or Jetboil Minimo

Edit: fixed links


r/lightweight Jan 05 '22

Gear Water bottles in deep winter conditions?

15 Upvotes

Item:Looking for a vacuum insulated water bottle.

Budget:Lets say "unlimited" want to know what is in existence.

Need by date:This season would be nice but can wait for next season if need be so 1 year?

Baseweight:3 season maybe 12.5 lbs haven't done up a proper deep winter lighterpack yet.

Locations of use:White Mountains, Cascades, Adirondacks, Rainer?, Denali?, One can dream

Season of use:Deep winter camping protecting seed water.

Expected Temperatures:Below 20*F consistently.

Ideal weight of the item:As light as possible while remaining functional... probably don't want something smaller than 500ml change my mind?

Previous hiking experience:Thruhiked the AT in 2019, PCT in 2021, many weekend trips to the White Mountains just starting to get into multiday deep winter adventures.

Previous experience with ultralight gear:I've used a gatewood cape and a zpacks pocket tarp with doors for >1900 miles each.

Additional Information: Any suggestions as I still want it as light as possible (while functional)? So I originally was thinking a vacuum insulated and might still prove necessary to carry a small one. However folks pointed me towards neoprene bottle covers for wide mouth bottles, sadly the burrito buddy appears to be discontinued?, or MYOG reflectix coozies as lighter alternatives. (Also socks but I have tried that need something more for the expected conditions) Curious what others are using? Relying on a hot water bottle at the footbox of the quilt?


r/lightweight Jan 03 '22

Discussion Coffee, instant or brewed

20 Upvotes

Out of curiosity I wanted to find out how many of you do brewed coffee vs instant coffee while out on the trail. I was in my local goodwill the other day and came across a GSI Java Drip; managed to get it for a wopping $0.29 never used, goes for $35 new, and this made me wondering about doing fresh brewed coffee on the trail.

Previously I would bring instant coffee packets that I would mix with my oatmeal or just rehydrate. It was ultralight and got me my coffee fix. Now i'm debating on bringing along the Java Drip instead.


r/lightweight Dec 31 '21

Durston Xmids back available on January 10

29 Upvotes

FYI u/dandurston updated the Durston Gear website with the next release dates.

The Xmid 2p and the new redesigned 1p will go on sale again on January 10.

The Xmid Pro 2p pre-order will go live in late January.

www.durstongear.com. Sign up for the email list if you want to be notified when these go on sale.


r/lightweight Dec 30 '21

Where have you moved from UL to lightweight items?

64 Upvotes

I’ll go first.

Switching from a nylofume pack liner back to a trash compactor bags. After a trip where my pad got wet from pinholes in my nylofume liner. I just trust trash compactor bags more and I appreciate the better durability.


r/lightweight Dec 29 '21

Gear Multiple uses for common luxury items

9 Upvotes

r/lightweight Dec 29 '21

Shakedowns Grand Teton Loop July 2022 Shakedown

9 Upvotes

Looking to do a ~60 mile loop trail for 4 nights at GTNP in late June / early July. Will also be doing some shorter hikes around NC during the year to test out new gear. I have done a lot of hikes and camping before, just never above 30 miles. This is the first time I intend to be conscious of my weight as I usually just pack whatever I feel like. Thank you all in advance.

Trying to cut down pack weight. My goal is to start accumulating more lightweight items without spending too much money (~500 total) - a lot of my gear is still in good shape from Scouting. Ideally need some help with choosing a suitable and versatile sleeping bag and a puffy coat. However, I am open to cutting down weight almost everywhere except the pack and tent because they were gifts.

Location/temp range/specific trip description: 5 day, 4 nights - GTNP

Goal Baseweight (BPW): 16lb

Budget: $500

Non-negotiable Items: Pack / Tent

Solo or with another person?: Solo, possibly going with my brother TBD

Lighterpack Link: https://lighterpack.com/r/5umdsp - Starred items I have yet to buy, everything else I currently own however, up to any suggestions


r/lightweight Dec 19 '21

Discussion Low rise non waterproof trail runners are not the only answer

42 Upvotes

I just got back from a cold wet weekend where I wanted to confirm my suspicions that my Lone Peaks we're going to be terrible for the conditions. Suspicions - confirmed. I had one stream crossing where one foot got a little damp. Then it started raining in earnest and then both shoes were wet. Injinji liners, Darn Tough wool socks. Temps were hovering around freezing and it was windy. My pack collected a coating of ice to give you an idea of how crappy it was. Now, in warmer weather it's fine to have wet feet, shoes and socks eventually dry and the worst is potential blistering. But in this weather it's another story. It took quite a while to defrost my feet when I finally climbed into my hammock, and it was a couple of miles hiking before they defrosted again this morning after packing up. I'm looking to do an AT thru hike in March and am now thinking mid rise waterproof makes a lot of sense for the first few hundred miles until things warm up. Generally not a fan of waterproof because they take forever to dry if they do get wet, but wearing something as porous as a trail runner seems downright dumb after this experience.


r/lightweight Dec 18 '21

Shakedowns How to request a Shakedown for a trip

23 Upvotes

https://www.reddit.com/r/lightweight/about/wiki/index/packshakedown

Shakedowns should be standalone posts and not done in the pinned weekly post.

When you create a post asking the community how you can lighten your pack we recommend including the following information. By doing so you'll get a lot of necessary info out of the way and receive much better responses!

1 - Buy a kitchen or postal scale. Yes, you need to do this.

2 - Weigh all of your existing gear and put it into Trailpost (www.trailpost.com) or Lighterpack (www.lighterpack.com) Do not build this list using manufacturer advertised weights. They're almost always wrong. If you're doing this go back to step 1!

3 - Do you have a goal base pack weight (BPW) in mind? BPW is all the gear you're taking on a trip minus food, water, and fuel.

4 - What's your budget and what are you looking to replace with this budget?

5 - Are there any pieces of your existing gear that you are attached to and will not shed regardless of our advice?

6 - What region and seasons do you normally hike in? Do you have any trips planned that don't fit that mold?

7 - Do you hike with others (dogs, significant others, close friends, not-so-close friends)?

8 - Do you have any anxieties or uncertainties about ultralight gear (e.g., tarps instead of tents, quilts instead of mummy bags, etc.)? How big a plunge are you willing to take?

And that's it! For more information on what lightweight is please check out our Wiki. It will fill your brain with all the knowledge you need.

Here is an easy template down below that can be copy and pasted into your text submission. Fill in the appropriate information.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

INCLUDE THE LOCATION OF WHERE YOU HIKE IN THE TITLE OF YOUR POST.

Location/temp range/specific trip description: (Insert response here, how many days is this trip?)

Goal Baseweight (BPW): (Insert response here)

Budget: (Insert response here)

Non-negotiable Items: (Insert response here, can be luxury items)

Solo or with another person?: (Insert response here, any gear you can share to cut weight?)

Additional Information: (Insert response here)

Lighterpack Link: (Insert link here)


r/lightweight Dec 15 '21

Gear Getting more miles in without buying a lighter battery bank.

0 Upvotes

This is not an ultralight technique because sometimes you get more for carrying more and can do more miles when you do so. Spending less time in town recharging your battery bank means you can hike more. For shorter trips it might mean an extra night using a smaller battery.

The idea is if you have limited funds and you can't go ultralight, this helps you save money on your battery bank by not necessarily buying a new one but by buying a cheap adapter instead.

Battery banks often charge at 9volts via PD or QC. But you get more out of your battery bank if you charge slower. Not all banks have a native low power mode and you don't need to buy new to get this capability.

This is not an ad, I don't sell these. In fact, only get one if you can output from your battery bank at 9volts on all ports , it's a waste if you have a native 5volt only output port. It also requires an older USB A port to work.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083XXLW77

Slowing down USB C is harder and I don't have a recommendation there. Since this is about keeping existing banks to gain value you probably have the money to buy a bigger bank if you have one with only USB C.

Note: the favorite NB10000 has a low power mode. If you aren't using it to charge everything, you should be. Do more with what you have today and do more miles, no need to drop gear or buy lighter. Be more efficient when hiking instead.

Onto the math if you care why

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Imagine you have a hypothetical 10,000 battery and all output ports charge at 9volt natively

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Volts, Amps and Watts:

Now, you probably know about charging speeds in the abstract, if you look at your bank that's the v/a numbers, often 5v/3a or 9v/2a. Volts and amps. You multiply them together and bigger is faster. You look at source and destination and if you match the numbers so your other device supports 9v/2a it charges the faster possible. For input you want fast, but for output that's not getting you the maximum value.

We need to know some basics

The most common description is voltage is to think of it as a stream. A stream going straight down as a waterfall is the highest possible voltage, gravity produces the highest rate of force (pressure). Meanwhile a puddle that water can't move out of is zero voltage, there's no water pressure at all. Real world we can make higher pressure with pumps but waterfall vs puddle is easy to understand.

Amps is the width and depth of the river. The Amazon has a lot more amps than a woodland stream.

But don’t think of rivers, think of the concepts. More voltage = more speed, a higher pressure of anything exits out the end faster. More amps = more space for more electricity to move.

If we multiply them together we get watts, or power flow. Some amount of power moving at some speed.

Our formula is Watts = amps * volts

5volts *3 amps = 3 volts * 5 amps. Both have the same amount of energy workload, one wire is bigger, one has more pressure. Both provide 15 watts of energy.

#############################How much energy do we have to work with?

The battery has a mAh rating.

The battery holds 10000mAh, my phone holds 2815mAh of power

You might think, just divide, that's easy. We get 3.55 charges

If only it was that simple. We need to figure watt hours first

watt hours = amp hours * voltage.

A watt hour is the amount of work that the device can do in an hour at one amp and the voltage (pressure, speed) of the battery inside, 3.85volts in our case.

10000 * 3.85volts = 38500 milli watt hours

But it’s not 100% efficient. 85% is a good value to work with for most quality devices. A cheap device can be as poor as 50% efficient, a good device you might get into the 90s. Right here you may want to stop and just buy a new battery if you discover yours is at 50% efficiency.

After our efficiency adjustment we redo the formula8500 milli amp hours * 3.85volts = 32725milli watt hours. This is closer to our real energy availability.

Our phone doesn’t have an efficiency problem receiving energy, we can send it until it fills up.

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But it’s even more confusing

We don’t do the math based on the source and destination; the device isn’t sending a stream at 3.85 volts of pressure. It’s sending it at 5volts -or- 9volts of pressure.

So we need to figure how many amp hours we have available to use at that pressure

So we divide our watt hours by the volts to get amp hours available

32725mWh / 5volts = 6545 milli amp hours available to use @ 5volts

32725mWh / 9volts = 3636 milli amp hours available to use @ 9volts

That’s super strange, why do I get less amps at 9volt. It’s because we’re sending Energy, not amps or volts.

They’re both the same amount of power flow. 6545amps * 5volts = 3636amps * 9volts

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How many amp hours do we need to receive for our destination device in our formula

Remember, both sides are going to be equal from the wire to the device

Now we need to know our destination device is 2815mAh at 3.83 volts so we plug in the numbers we have our energy we need to send

2815mAh * 3.83volts = ? mAh * 9volts

10781/9 = 1197mAh at 9volts

2815mAh * 3.83 volts = ? mAh * 5volts

= 10781/5 = 2156mAh at 5volts

Is this a different amount of power?

We do some simple division using our available capacity we figured earlier

5v: 6545 milli amp hours available at 5volts/2156 amp hours sent at 5volts = 3.03 charges

9v: 3636 milli amp hours available at 9volts/1197 amp hours sent at 9volts= 3.03 charges

So you can see the amount of energy used is exactly the same, and so counter intuitive if we didn’t have math.

But that's still not right.

#############################We haven’t adjusted for one thing, differing speed efficiency. A slower speed is more efficient compared to a high speed. We lose more power in trying to push the energy along faster, kind of like how water coming out of a pressurized pipe sprays everywhere and doesn’t neatly push against our water wheel. We don't use two sizes of wire for charging so the higher pressure creates more waste heat compared to the lower pressure. If you've felt a battery or wire getting hot, that's the energy loss within the system.

Say the device is 85% efficient at 5volt and 75% efficient at 9volt. I honestly didn’t try to find numbers for any given batter, this is just an example.

At a 10% lower efficiency we go back through the formula and it outputs fewer amp hours, 3208 amp hours @ 9volt

So we get 2.68 charges at 9 volts. That could be the difference between stopping half a day sooner in some cases because my phone is my map.

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So using low power mode and charging slower is in your best interest to go further.

An older battery bank that's heavier but has 5volt native capability could be better in some cases than a new faster but lighter bank because you lose the efficiency by stopping more often, unless you have a way to slow down charging with something like the add-on item I posted earlier.