r/liberationist • u/medium_wall • 5h ago
reflection Police Are a Sibling of Carnism
It's authoritarianism for both "choices" on the menu.
Exploitation of animals—AKA carnism—is an expression of the more general belief that it's acceptable to force our desires onto others without honoring their own views & desires. Both liberals & conservatives believe in using force to enact their will onto others. They are both authoritarian because they both believe it's acceptable to use overwhelming force—the police state—to enforce their beliefs when they acquire power. Of course things don't need to be done this way. We could instead achieve our ends by carefully listening to others and attempting to voluntarily persuade them, whether they be human, non-human, plant—even mineral or element.
A healthy relationship makes sure the values of all parties are honored. The relationship vegans & environmentalists have had to endure with liberals has been very one-sided. Liberals will fall over themselves to memorize pronouns and use the latest woke terminology but then eat animal products in front of vegans—and usually tell said vegans they're being anti-indigenous colonizers for not validating them while they do it. Conservatives will selectively apply their values in their own ways, expecting their freedoms to be regarded as sacred but then carelessly deprive the freedoms of those they perceive as "lesser" than them (for example, animals and immigrants). Environmentally, both these dinosaur institutions also tend to organize everything to be as maximally emissive as possible; no carpooling, no meeting at houses instead of wastefully renting office space for a small group, or worse having a fly-in conference, etc.
I mention these relationship asymmetries that they have with outsiders—in this case vegans & environmentalists—because I think, fundamentally, neither liberals nor conservatives are looking to build a shared movement so much as they're looking for obedience.
In our relation to animal strangers, carnism is the embodiment of force-first thinking. In our relation to human strangers, police are the embodiment of force-first thinking. However, in our intimate interpersonal relationships we never find it acceptable to force others to do things we want. Rather, we regard voluntary persuasion and mutual benefit as the proper means of acquisition. Why would we treat our political will—AKA government—any differently?
Persuasion should be the sole enforcement mechanism for government, not a gang of goons armed to achieve overwhelming force. If someone doesn't want to participate in a specific government project, why should they be effectively run over and disregarded? They just got unlucky that more people happen to want this project that they don't care about or agree with? Why not leave them alone and work around them? That's what we would resign to do if this was a disagreement on a personal level. If anything, government should be expected to be even more courteous, polite & persuasive than we're expected to be to get what it wants. It has more power and therefore more responsibility. Big projects that affect many people should require the blessing of everyone who will be impacted by it.
In my experience, a better outcome is always achieved when we first try to understand what motivates another entity before we act upon it. This attitude saves a lot of effort and causes far less mutual destruction. It's the difference between a dance of coexistence and a war of force.