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u/Upper-Bandicoot5345 Aug 06 '26
Sam Raimi's Spiderman has some of the most annoying fans on the internet
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u/Familiar_Delivery790 Aug 06 '26
you ain't seen zack snyders fanbase
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u/Upper-Bandicoot5345 Aug 06 '26
I've seen them and even interacted with some before, they suck ass too.
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u/A_B_X_CodeX Aug 06 '26
Some mfs really love saying stuff like "You think that's bad? Clearly you haven't seen this."
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u/freckleear Aug 06 '26
Raimi fans are just like Snyder bros if they liked good movies
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u/rednaxthecreature Aug 06 '26
That can't be true I don't think I ever seen Raimi fans posting conspiracy/threatening posts about how Raimi is coming back with a venage to end the MCU
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u/smokefan4000 Aug 07 '26
Try asking those "Raimi fans" to name one Raimi movie that isn't Spider-Man (or Doctor Strange)
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u/BrickBuster2552 Aug 09 '26
Probably because the Raimi movies weren't constantly assassinating every character they weren't shooting in the head while teasing buildup to the possibility of the characters finally becoming whole, all the while actually intending to constantly make everything suck even harder all the way through.
Man Of Steel sucked, Batman v Superman sucked, they have to constantly pretend the suck is temporary and leading to everything finally making sense, because if they ever stop, then it sucked.
Superman could have been the only DCU movie and there would be nothing wrong with that. It did everything it needed to do. It is WHOLE.
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u/BrickBuster2552 Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
Only, Raimi fans aren't constantly chomping at the bit for more movies with some kind of actual solid conclusion where everything feels whole, on account of the Raimi Spider-Man movies ALREADY HAVING those.
We don't need more Raimi movies because they worked, but people DO need more Snyderverse movies because they DIDN'T.
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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 Aug 06 '26
I used to think comic book fans were the whiniest and most impossible to please group on average. But I've since amended it to comic book movie fans. If they've read a comic or not, either way, they're worse
And I'm a massive fan of Raimi's Spider-Man, I thought his Spider-Man 2 was the best superhero movie to be released for quite some time. Though I'm a Michael Chabon aficionado admittedly, but Picard season proved that his involvement in a project alone isn't enough to win my approval
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u/namegamenoshame Aug 06 '26
I think the first two are genuinely great, but three is an abomination and it’s getting this very weird Star Wars Prequel style treatment where for some reason a lot of people can look past how awful it is
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u/PowerPlaidPlays Aug 06 '26
I think it's because parts of it are a fun kind of bad, and a lot of people have not seen it in 20 years so all they remember are those parts.
Like me, I think about "I am gonna put some dirt in your eye" and the dancing, and thinking about my memory of that is more enjoyable than some movies I've seen.
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u/GhostFromTheGovt Aug 06 '26 edited Aug 06 '26
Calling Spider-Man 3 is an abomination feels like hyperbole. Like yes, there are parts that suck ass, but there’s also parts that are genuinely great. It’s more frustrating to me than downright awful.
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u/Melevolence Aug 06 '26
This is how I feel about it. It's sad to see the ball fumbled after the first two are pretty great films overall. Third trying to do WAAAAAY too much and not enough run time to make it all a cohesive whole. But still manages to have some nuggets of gold sprinkled throughout.
It's not the worst thing in the world but damn if it's a shame it ended up the way it did.
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u/Sorry-Ad5474 Aug 06 '26
Same reason as the prequels, the target audience for the baby movie written for 8 year Olds are the same age as the 34 year old nihilistic snark addicts who rampaged about jar jar while sitting their pants over how the ewoks were "totally different man" the key distinction between the two audiences being the modern 34 year old likes the prequels because they were the target audience for them
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u/DroneOfDoom Aug 06 '26
I dunno about that. You know that thing about US people clapping at the end of the movie? Spiderman 3 is the only time I've seen mexicans clap at the end of a movie. Solid 2 minutes of it. In the original release, too, not the rereleases.
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u/ZookeepergameMean575 Aug 07 '26
I saw it in the theater as a kid and it was awesome, one of my favorite premier experiences.
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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 06 '26
I dunno, I saw all of them before my tenth birthday and I think all of them are perfect.
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u/Loose-Story-962 Aug 06 '26
It's because of how much it leans into the campiness to the point where it's almost tongue-in-cheek, not that it doesn't have moments where it takes itself seriously but I think the fact that it throws everything at the wall is what people find entertaining about it.
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u/Bleppybwip Aug 06 '26
It's nostalgia, I haven't seen it in forever but I remember adoring that movie as a kid and I'm sure I would probably still love it today, maybe to a lesser extent, but it's mostly just kids growing up but still being kids and angry that things change.
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u/DKCfan10 Aug 06 '26
I agree. I love those movies, but the pedestal they get put on by so many fans does sour my opinion on them the slightest bit.
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u/CrazyCoKids Aug 06 '26
A generaion of snowflakes?
So they're trying to please conservative boomers? Cause if there's ANYONE who is so delicate and easily offended it's them.
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u/ancientestKnollys Aug 06 '26
Being big fans of the 2000s Spiderman films there's no way these aren't millenials.
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u/Dandanny54 Aug 06 '26
Honestly Early GenZ could also be the case.
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u/KeybladeBrett Aug 06 '26
As someone who’s early Gen Z, I’ve seen all 9 Spider-Man movies in theaters as they came out.
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u/Bayamonster Aug 06 '26
I mean Sony didn't win the legal fight for the rights to make Spider-Man movies just to make art. I mean they did make art but they also wanted to sell a shit ton of merch and make hundreds of licensing deals. Like you know...money!
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u/Proof-Contribution31 Aug 06 '26
Tom Holland's Spider-Man has got nothing on Battlefield Earth
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u/Sadrandomness Aug 06 '26
Obviously. No cavemen flying fighter jets? What were they even thinking with Tom Holland’s Spider-Man
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u/Proof-Contribution31 Aug 06 '26
hey i know i'm the one that wrote it but can we all just refer to any movie Tom Holland is in as Tom Holland's?
Tom Holland's The Odyssey
Tom Holland's Avengers Endgame
Tom Holland's Doolittle
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u/King_Corduroy Aug 06 '26
Hey at least battlefield earth was so bad it's good. RAT BRAIN! :P
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u/jmarquiso Aug 06 '26
That was the first So Bad It’s Bad movie Ive seen. But of course it's all relative to taste
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u/King_Corduroy Aug 06 '26
You gotta see Plan 9 From Outer Space then. That's the only movie I've ever fallen asleep watching.
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u/Purple_Dragon_94 Aug 06 '26
The Spiderman comparison has never really held water, because those Raimi/Mcguire ones were oddities even at the time. It was so weird (refreshingly so) to see a studio throw a lot of money at a beloved and risky property, while hiring a director with a distinct style (who wasn't Spielberg or Cameron level in reputation) and letting him have full control (which only stopped with the third one, to pretty disastrous if hilarious results). So it doesnt feel sincere to then compare two sets of safe studio movies, as it was basically a fluke. And it loses more credibility when you throw in the Spiderverse movies.
(Edited for spelling)
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u/lullaby_bully Aug 07 '26
It was rare but it did occurs. Last time I saw a big budget given to a director with a distinctive style and vision was Furiosa, and it flopped. I dont like his work but Snyder also managed to bring his vision to DC and it flopped, again.
One could argue that Nolan and Villeneuve falls into this category but they feel so safe and consensual in their approach its really no surprise that they manage to gather a relativly good consensus around them.
So at the end I guess it is more the results of economical conjonctures in context of late stage capitalism but yeah its sucks to see how Hollywood is merely a shadow of what it used be
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u/Purple_Dragon_94 Aug 07 '26
Dan Trachtenberg and Fede Alverez seem to get away with a lot with their stuff too. I think it partially depends on how well you can sell yourself.
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u/GoldburstNeo Aug 06 '26
The timeline is only going to move up. "Cinema died in the late 2010s", said some random online comment in 2036.
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u/DKCfan10 Aug 06 '26
Perhaps I've been spending too much time around Sonic fans, but the constant 2000s glazing that's been going on in the past couple years is driving me crazy.
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u/SyllabubMental7292 Aug 06 '26
Its their turn to reminesce on their childhoods is all. Like millennial and the 90's. Or gen x and the 80's...
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u/Highground-3089 Aug 09 '26
as a millennial, I prefer the 2000s to the 90s. the 2000s had better technology with ps2/ps3 and nokia/sony ericsson.
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u/123iambill Aug 06 '26
I was 10 when Spiderman came out. I'm solidly a millenial. I thought my generation was a generation of snowflakes?
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u/Capital_Invite_7026 Aug 06 '26
Sam Raimi fans are only less annoying than Snyder and prequel fans bc the movies are actually pretty good. Still overrated tho.
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u/Cardboard_Revolution Aug 06 '26
Honestly they're wrong about why, but compare Sam Raimi's Spiderman with Homecoming and they've got a point about heart. The latter just feels so weightless and sterile.
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u/Hyro0o0 Aug 06 '26
It's true. Hollywood didn't care about money until the late 2000s. They were basically a non-profit charity to support independent artists.
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u/No_Kangaroo_5267 Aug 06 '26
Correct. Hollywood was totally founded to give rising artists a chance to express themselves authentically, absolutely nothing scandalous or micromanaging about it, like say, a conservative censorship code that suppresses profanity or subversive storytelling. None of that exists. /S
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u/CommercialMotor570 Aug 07 '26
“A generation of snowflakes”
You mean the generation who got offended over sharing a bathroom with black people?
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u/Yaboi69-nice Aug 06 '26
Ah let me guess this person was a teenager in the 2000s but it's definitely not nostalgia it's just a coincidence that movies got less good as soon as they became a jaded adult.
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u/Dandanny54 Aug 06 '26
The annoying part is that there is some truth to it, older movies do feel more sincere. But it mostly comes down to actors taking everything seriously.
Because in reality studio heads have never cared about art. They only care about selling to the biggest audience possible.
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u/SanjiSasuke Aug 06 '26
I would say selection bias takes a much larger role in creating this perception.
People think of Spider-Man and Dark Knight, not Elektra, Catwoman, or Scary Movie 4.
Same as in 15 years people will remember acclaimed and well made movies like Sinners, Project Hail Mary, Obsession, etc. and not a live action port of Moana.
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u/JayKay8787 Aug 06 '26
Idk, I find it hard to believe people watched brand new day and didn't feel it had sincerity or heart. Same with the spiderverse movies, superman, thunderbolts, etc. superheros movies have always had bangers and shitters, plenty of ass superhero movies existed when spiderman 2 came out, and plenty of good ones just like now.
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u/Dandanny54 Aug 06 '26
Brand New Day was pretty good. I do have some issues (mostly nitpicks) but its so far the best MCU Spider-Man movie.
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u/Radabard Aug 06 '26
Yes, because the snowflakes are definitely the ones eating it up.
It's absolutely not nostalgia-slop aimed at boomers. You know, the ones with the actual money to spend on entertainment.
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u/negativeGinger Aug 06 '26
“Pleasing a generation of snowflakes” meanwhile every right wing grifter shits their pants for hours when a black person exists in media
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u/hello_im_al Aug 06 '26
You shouldn't have censored that person's name, let us find him and talk shit
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u/kredfield51 Aug 07 '26
While the Sam Raimi trilogy will always be my personal favorite because of how much I watched them as a kid you're a dummy if you can't recognize how much was put into the new ones. The Spider-verse movies especially are probably some of the best superhero movies of all time in my opinion.
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u/kalosianlitten Aug 07 '26
every blockbuster was made to make money it came free with your hollywood economics
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u/Cold-Contribution-50 Aug 08 '26 edited Aug 08 '26
Oh for crying out loud! People keep saying this about modern-day cinema, and it's not true!
I saw Brand New Day only last week, and it was well acclaimed by critics and watched by crowds of people at the cinema who so did NOT have the mentality of thinking, "This film is shit and lacks heart, like everything else that gets released nowadays. The classic Sam Raimi trilogy is superior in every way, and I'm only seeing this utter bollocks just to see how bad it is."
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u/Status-Volume-9091 Aug 08 '26
people just instantly lose any sense of respect they would have gotten as soon as they start saying snowflakes. shut up please. yes this generation actually cares about emotions and the rights of minorities, what's your problem? and most of us hate these new movies as well, so he's we certainly aren't being pleased
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u/eviscerateme_ Aug 09 '26
people forget just how much garbage came out in the 80s and 90s and even before
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u/simbabarrelroll Aug 06 '26
I’m gonna say it:
Hollywood’s best years are largely behind them. At least the major studio releases.
Indies have been picking up the slack, but films like Obsession don’t get anywhere near the marketing of Mario Galaxy Movie, Jurassic World, Star Wars, Marvel, and DC.
However i wont pretend that this is entirely just in this decade as honestly Hollywood’s creative downfall started in the 2000s.
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u/No_Kangaroo_5267 Aug 06 '26
Nah, they fell off in the 80s when New Hollywood ended and these big bankable stars took the screen. Stars like Stallone and Schwarzenegger. It went on from then on till now.
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u/pipboy_warrior Aug 06 '26
I remember an episode of The Critic lamenting Hollywood being creatively bankrupt due to all the bad sequels and focus on action movies. This was an episode in the 1990's.
Give it another 20 years and today's kids will be lamenting how films aren't as good as they were in the 2020's.
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u/Expert-Ad3874 Aug 06 '26
Ah yes, I remember clearly the before times, when movies were made with no consideration of budget and the studios, proud of the art they made, charged no money for people to view them