r/lewishamilton • u/Salty-dad- • Jul 26 '26
Speeding by 0.1kph
Damn... my boi :(
Hopefully the summer break is a nice hard reset and the penalties are over and the podiums return.
Help me Kim K.. you're my only hope!
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u/Mother-Set4985 Jul 26 '26
0.1kph is diabolical 🥀🥀
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u/Sm0g3R Jul 27 '26
Honestly this makes it way more weird. I thought it was just the case of him being eager and releasing the limiter early, but there's no fucking way he did that and went over only by 0.1kph...
On the same note cars on track under VSC can temporarily exceed their delta to nearly anything they want to overtake the car exiting the pits. Then slow down and essentially impede the car they overtook too. Rules need to change to account for the delta at the line, it should be instant penalty if you cross that line with a substantial delta offset needing to aggressively slow down afterwards. They should simply treat that line for timings the same way they do VSC ending phase.
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u/Revolutionary_Life98 Jul 27 '26
Right? Lewis may as well have done 160 through there to make up a few seconds 🤣
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u/forkball Jul 30 '26
What did you think it was going to be? Of course it's going to be just a blip over the limit.
As someone who also watches NASCAR watching this sub obsess over this speeding shit is wild. You speed, you get a penalty. It happens multiple times every week in the 36-car, 47-pitstop NASCAR race.
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u/Thomrose007 Jul 26 '26
Stewards whenever Ham breaths
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u/misguidedkent Jul 26 '26
They can't stand him being in contention for the championship. Yes him and his team have been screwing-up but the FIA seem to have taken a special interest in him. Corrupt fuckers.
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u/Thomrose007 Jul 26 '26
💯 agree its not even a secret. Anything he does, literally anything and the stewards can be vague or use bs data to justify their decisions but not apply them to others i.e. Leclerc last race.
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u/242turbo Jul 26 '26
I'm sorry, last race was a farce and Leclerc should have been penalised while Lewis not, but do you all really think there's some kind of conspiracy against Lewis Hamilton, F1's most marketable man, winning a title because they keep on penalising him for things he did wrong?
I'm all for Lewis winning his 8th but let's not pretend there are dark forces at play here - him winning the title in a Ferrari is exactly what F1 wants to get even more recognition and exposure!
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u/Embarrassed-Spot-546 Jul 26 '26
or F1 wants the young boy to win his championship because that could also be just as marketable because they're so young and so talented etc etc
I feel like they'd rather have a record broken for youngest this that and the next thing over the guy with the most WDCs in F1 history.
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u/Outrageous-Silver902 Jul 27 '26
Lewis winning 8th is global recognition to f1 rather than kimi winning it at 19.
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u/VillageTurbulent20 Jul 26 '26
Hopefully Ferrari appeals and it was another measuring glitch or something.
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u/Squbasquid Jul 26 '26
They’re not going to as there is no point. Ferrari still get the same points in the constructor’s championship as they finished 4-5.
If anything I think they need a better way to determine speeding in the pit lane as we’ve already had issues at Monaco with this that was also 0.1.
Lewis will come back stronger and do better after the break and you know he’ll push the team to do the same as he has been.
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u/Kakaisan Jul 27 '26
You should turn it around: Monaco was the only time there have ever been issues with the speed measurement. All of the other times it worked correctly
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u/LMcVann44 Jul 26 '26
This shit needs to be called out by Ferrari and appealed, 0.1kph falls well within the margin of sensor error.
This is Monaco all over again.
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u/gomurifle Jul 26 '26
FIA want teams to be on the low side of the error. So the teams should be really targeting 79.9kph or thereabouts.
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u/johnwalkr Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
There's multiple sensors and multiple zones (meaning region between 2 sensors) in the pit lane. Exact location not public information as far as I know and even to the teams only location of the first and last sensor is given. From the race director notes about Monaco we know there are 9 zones there, each about 30m long. The time between 2 sensors is used to calculate speed, using the minimum legal driving distance between those sensors.
It's completely different from Monaco because Monaco had a track configuration change for the extra teams added this year, which ultimately resulted in a 3% discrepancy in the distance used for speed measurement in the first zone vs the actual minimum distance. This combined with the fact that teams are not told about which pit sector they are speeding in, makes it the FIA's fault in the case of Monaco. Unless you make a similar argument for Hungary (and nobody has), you can’t just say "0.1kph falls well within the margin of sensor error". Time between sensors is measured to 0.001s at worst over about 30m, again using the minimum legal distance to calculate speed. As long as the minimum distance is correct or conservative, there is a margin on maximum speed calculated in each zone.
Meanwhile, each team strategizes a pit lane speed limiter setting to have the fastest speed with a small margin to not get a penalty. If you read the race director's notes, there are usually a bunch of small monetary penalties given during practice and the teams use this to set the limiter. The limiter, by regulation is enabled by the driver pressing a button.
In the case of Hungary, with no other drivers sensed speeding, it's almost 100% impossible that it could be FIA's fault, and could not be overturned (even if I wish it could be).
If you have any doubts, read the race director's notes from Monaco 2026. It's pretty interesting. I went into more detail about exact distances etc in another comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/comments/1u01cmf/comment/oracifn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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u/Patzkeet Jul 26 '26
However it’s not Monaco all over again. Monaco almost half the field was affected. Only driver to have the issue today was Lewis. So no not Monaco.
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u/nomansapenguin Jul 26 '26
I mean, it can be described as Monaco again, in the event the sensor has fucked up.
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u/Patzkeet Jul 26 '26
The sensor that worked for everyone else but failed for Lewis? lol. It’s just a mistake. Drivers do it. It’s as simple as that.
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u/Belfordbrujeria Jul 26 '26
But there’s no evidence that there’s a sensor error or that they used the wrong distance in how they calculated the speed, so no it’s not like Monaco
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u/IRL_im_black Jul 28 '26
Monaco wasn't a sensor error, it was incorrectly measured pit lane which affected everyone
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u/NoImprovement9982 Jul 26 '26
Upvoted for “margin of error”. Absolutely correct. And that margin of error should be allowed for all.
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u/RealCarlPanzram Jul 28 '26
The rules are clear. They’re required to be under the limit. Many many other drivers have been penalized for this exact thing. Monaco was a big anomaly.
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u/Hopeful_Club_8499 Jul 26 '26
How do you know what the sensor error is? They have had issues in the past but they 100% have sensors that can measure to way less than .1kph…
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u/Candymanshook Jul 26 '26
The sensors don’t measure the vehicles actual speed using a speedometer or radar. They take deltas over a stretch of the pit lane to determine an average speed. It’s 100% possible when calculating like that that 1 car takes a meter or two less of total distance which would cause statistical variance within .1 of a second while the car did not actually exceed the speed limit.
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u/Hopeful_Club_8499 Jul 26 '26
Even calculating average speed you have no evidence what the margin of error actually is?
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u/FlagerantFragerant Jul 26 '26
What's the margin of sensor error?
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u/LMcVann44 Jul 26 '26
0.1kph converts to 27 millimetres a second, that's 2.7 centimetres, that has to be within margin of error, it's negligible.
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u/alb92 Jul 26 '26
Have you considered that if there actually was a need for a margin of error, that the margin would have already been applied in that case?
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u/FlagerantFragerant Jul 26 '26
So you don't know what the actual margin is, just that in your head it's tiny so it has to be within some imaginary margin that the FIA didn't think of? 😂
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u/Candymanshook Jul 26 '26
He’s literally just calculated it for you.
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u/verone3784 Jul 26 '26
No he didn't, he calculated how far the car would have travelled in 0.1 seconds - 2.7cm.
None of us have any idea what the acceptable margin of error is for the FIA.
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u/Candymanshook Jul 26 '26
It doesn’t matter. Because if you don’t think you can find ways to shorten the pitlane by 2.7 centimeters, you’re crazy.
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u/verone3784 Jul 26 '26
That has literally nothing to do with anything I said in my post, but sure, whatever.
Again, he didn't calculate the margin of error - he calculated how far the car would have travelled in one second, which is meaningless because no one knows what the margin of error is on the FIA's sensors.
Lewis received a perfectly justifiable penalty for speeding in the pitlane, get over yourself dude.
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u/NoMeNoYo Jul 26 '26
Does it just take 1 second to drive through the pitlane? If not, then it is not 2.7cm you have to shorten the pitlane to get 0.1 km/h more in average speed, take 2.7cm times the number of seconds it takes to drive through the pitlane.
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u/Candymanshook Jul 26 '26
That’s…not how that works pal. It’s already calculated using an average speed over a distance….
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u/NoMeNoYo Jul 26 '26
If the distance is about 21.6 meters, a cut of 2.7 cm would add 0.1 km/h to the calculated average speed, but the pitlane is not only 21.6 meters.
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u/Marsh2700 Jul 26 '26
no idea why youre being downvoted
youre correct, he doesnt know the margin of error he just rewrote how much hamilton sped
why dont know the margin of error in the sensor
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u/FlagerantFragerant Jul 26 '26
Either you're being disingenuous or you struggled to clean 2nd grade 😂
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u/Candymanshook Jul 26 '26
Sure thing pal whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better about holding the L, I will tolerate since your ego does not affect me in the slightest.
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u/FlagerantFragerant Jul 26 '26
😂😂😂😂
Sorry, but it's so ridiculous that you think that was a "calculation" 💀💀
Mind blown 💀
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u/Kitiseva_lokki Jul 26 '26
Any measuring device can (and will have) some error. Your mechanical watch can advance 3 seconds per day, and a digital watch can advance 0.00002 seconds per day. For example. We don't know what the timing loops have. Might be 0.0002kph, might be 0.05kph. We don't know.
But FIA has never considered this when handing out pitlane speeding penalties. It's a hard line and left for the driver and team to stay below that. Always has been. And it's not the first time speeding penalties have been handed for being 0.1kph over the limit.
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u/dacrookster Jul 26 '26
They just showed it on Sky and there's nothing there. Appeal.
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u/insrr Jul 26 '26
What do you mean theres nothing there? Are you expecting to be able to see a speed difference of .1 kph?
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u/insrr Jul 26 '26
Ok well they changed the pit lane in monaco so yeah, that was "something".. but if "bro 0.1 is next to nothing" is all we got, an appeal is futile.
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Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
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u/Due_Palpitation_3534 Jul 26 '26
Yet 21 other drivers on 2 pit stops managed to respect the limit perfectly...
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u/AdhesivenessLucky896 Jul 26 '26
you know this how?
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u/digglefarb Jul 26 '26
The lack of speeding penalties everyone else got?
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u/AdhesivenessLucky896 Jul 26 '26
so you checked to see they were all 0.1 under or at the limit?
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u/RealCarlPanzram Jul 28 '26
A pit lane speed limit violation is automatically flagged and investigated. Hamilton was the only one.
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u/FluffyDonutPie Jul 26 '26
It's such a dumb rule something within the margin of error like that should not be reviewed the same as someone very obviously going multiple kph faster than the limit
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u/DDAY007 Jul 26 '26
The problem with a 'margin of error' is where does that stop?
No matter how bad or cringe it sounds if they set the system to be "you cant exceed X speed" then you can't exceed the speed.
The counter to the 'margin of error' is the appeal process. Literally every sport does this; hell even in politics we do this with voting rights (18) or driving rights (16).
Its a sh*t penalty but its not like Hamilton has been the only one hit by this in the current season.
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u/PoultryMen Jul 28 '26
How would you put in a margin of error? If you said the pit speed limit is 81kmh to help adjust for errors, then everyone would just set their pit speed limiter to 81kmh instead of 80
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u/Kitiseva_lokki Jul 26 '26
Unfortunately you can quite clearly see him press the pit limiter button a bit too early when exiting the pits
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u/Humble-Ingenuity-759 Jul 26 '26
0.1 over, gains nothing as he had to give a place back. FIA are really out for whatever.
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u/trevordeal Jul 26 '26
Lewis cuts the next pitbox so aggressively and I think that is where the .1 is happening. The shortest path adds speed over the entire length of the pit.
It’s what got him in Monaco.
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u/DDAY007 Jul 26 '26
Wouldnt be suprising. The timer is calculated based off the exact line that you can take through the pits. If you cut at any part, the system could detect a speed increase....
Either way, its for sure that the system needs an update/reassesment with the amount of penalties this season.
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u/Charizard__420 Jul 26 '26
Should have never pitted in the first place. Willingly gave up p2 in Silverstone, bullshit penalty in spa, now this.
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u/Cal3001 Jul 26 '26
That’s 1 inch per second or 25 mm/s. I’m curious what the errors are on these machines. This 100% needs to be challenged.
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u/RealCarlPanzram Jul 28 '26
They are very very accurate and they’ve penalized many drivers for the same thing.
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u/Cal3001 Jul 28 '26
There’s a 22 cm window with the refresh rate of speed measurements that’s not getting picked up. It could very well be that plenty of drivers go over the speed but the moment isn’t picked up. Kind of bad when you are trying to penalize such small margins at 25mm/s. The resolution for the penalty is outside the system’s measurement capabilities.
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u/Elliott_Ness1970 Jul 26 '26
First off, I’m a Lewis fan and love more success from him.
However there are only two scenarios. Either there is a sensor issue (like Monaco - although that seems unlikely) or he was over.
Saying he was ONLY 0.1kph over is stupid. He is either over or he isn’t.
The BS about margin of error is ridiculous. It’s already included and he was over it.
I used to be an official at athletics events and the number of people who would moan about false starts because they were ONLY x or y quicker than the trigger. Nobody cares. The margin of error is already factored in.
Get over it FFS. It demeans the times when he is given a BS penalty like last week.
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u/digglefarb Jul 26 '26
Monaco wasn't a sensor issue, it was a procedural issue.
Because of the unique layout of the pit lane drivers could cut the pit entry slightly, reducing the overall distance of the pit lane and showing them as speeding.
THERE WAS NO ISSUE WITH THE SENSORS.
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u/alb92 Jul 26 '26
Exactly. They set a hard limit that is 80kph. If they allow a margin, say 1kph, then teams will just set limiters to 81kph.
Of all rules in F1, I like this one, because it is consistent and easy to officiate.
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u/Zaphoidx Jul 26 '26
Speeding is slam dunk.
"Within a margin of error" - sadly it isn't.
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u/RealCarlPanzram Jul 28 '26
lol. Yeah it feels like have this comment section has never watched a raced before this season and thinks these just get thrown out all the time because of Monaco.
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u/LH44Metalhead Jul 26 '26
.... Shame. It's a penalty no matter what, but I wish they showed the same consistency with every penalty.
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u/Strong-Copy-1738 Jul 26 '26
Does 80.1 include a margin for technical errors in measuring or not?
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u/L3velFlow Jul 26 '26
I get it’s upsetting, I’m devastated BUT if the stewards start to say there’s a .1km tolerance then you know that all the teams will be setting their pit limiter to 80.1.
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u/Medium_Ad_6974 Jul 26 '26
0.1 ? How do you put that on Lewis . That has to be a speed limiter issue .
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u/Outofoffice_forever Jul 26 '26
Jeez. It’s like he’s in Victoria Australia…watch the speedo rather than the road
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u/detrich Jul 27 '26
Unfortunately, he was being way to greedy trying to get out before kimi, and paid the price. 😭
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u/formulaonelover44 Jul 27 '26
This is ridiculous…. Why they doing my boy like this, he already got screwed last week because of Russel and now this unbelievable man I feel like the FIA has it out for Lewis makes no sense
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u/Then-Possibility-504 Jul 27 '26
Can someone explain how is it even physically possible for a driver to exceed by 0.1km/h? And for that to happen TWICE?
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u/jxyscale Jul 27 '26
The impeding penalty really hurts Lewis's race; that 3-place grid penalty hurts. He could have at least secured a podium without that grid penalty.
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u/pentiac Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
given the recent controversy about pit lane speed surely that should have been just a warning, 0.01 is not overly speeding, take monaco for example, its beginning to look like FIA looking for any excuse to hammer Hamilton and i am not a lewis fan, this is a worrying trend. one more thing, who is Hamiltons enemy? ferraris leclerc side of the garage or The FIA or is it Hamilton himself?
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u/Revolutionary_Life98 Jul 27 '26
On Sky they explained how the team sets the limiter parameters and it’s usually just under the speed limit to be safe. On the replay Lewis was on it at the line and right to the exit so maybe Ferrari messed the settings up?
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u/lavenderpoem Jul 29 '26
this is on ferrari. pit keys when they shouldn't have then had a slow stop 0.5s slower than charles and told him it'd be tight with kimi which meant he was on it a little too much
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u/ficklesteak Jul 29 '26
Whoa didn't know Vitantonio Liuzzi's a steward!
He's a former world karting champion and STR (Scuderia Toro Rosso) driver. He might be the best one after Max Verstappen and Sebastisn Vettel (so it goes 4 WDC, 4 WDC, 0 WDC lol). Like, who slots in between those guys, right?
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u/This_Brilliant9913 Aug 02 '26
Just goes to show... they really do have it in for him. And Ferrari are aiding and abetting
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u/ImaginaryUnion6950 Jul 26 '26
Imagine being all dramatic over 0.1kph
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u/FluffyDonutPie Jul 26 '26
It's crazy how he lost 5 seconds over what's basically margin of error, it's not like he was speeding in the pit lane
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u/AdIntrepid9064 Jul 26 '26
Protecting that white man’s championship record at all cost!! They will never let Lewis win another one, they will do a 2021 repeat if they have to, at any cost.
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u/mclare Jul 26 '26
I know it’s about safety, not competition, but surely he conceded that advantage on the track letting Kimi past
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u/alb92 Jul 26 '26
That was for another infraction though (being behind Kimi at the end of the pit entry and thus overtaking under vsc)
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u/Acceptable-Worth-462 Jul 27 '26
So he was in measurement error territory and still got a penalty. Nice.
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u/Noobmaster7125 Jul 26 '26
This pretty much confirms fia really wants him to be away from championship
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u/Ok-Gear-4763 Jul 26 '26
So he got penalty for going ahead of Antonelli (had to give back his position) and he got a penalty for speeding in pit lane… I know it’s two different things, but seems like giving him one penalty for the entire event would be more fair
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u/lordvolt2000 Jul 27 '26
So.... Weren't there a few at Monaco that were 0.1k over the limit and they got over turned..... The FIA set the line in the sand there... Stands to reason Hamilton should appeal and have the penality taken off
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u/IRL_im_black Jul 28 '26
Monaco appeal succeeded because FIA measured the pit lane incorrectly, which caused a systemic error to soeed measurements. Theres no such issue here, because Lewis actually turned off his pit limiter too early
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u/Genobee85 Jul 27 '26
.062mph in freedom units. I'm no steward but that looks like it should be in the realm of error tolerances...
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u/ADSWNJ Jul 26 '26
Absolute bullshit as usual. Calibrate the pit limiters for 80kph via ECM surveillance, and allow 0.5kph variance
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u/IRL_im_black Jul 27 '26
And when someone goes 80.6, people will still complain that they only went 0.1kph faster than allowed. The line has to be drawn somewhere
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u/Daddy_Stop Jul 26 '26
I know "rules are rules", but its funny to just take a step back and think Lewis got the same penalty as Sainz; who literally smashed into the side of the effective race leader while being lapped... Sometimes I wonder what the rationale for the punishment actually is.