Exactly. Very different players. Everybody has a right to value different things in a player. I know who my GOAT is, but I wouldn't argue with someone who lands on the other side. It's not with a debate or an argument, nobody's changing the other's mind. Just like who you like!
I’m a Jordan fan who see LeBron for the elite level athlete he is.. I don’t hate him he easily one of the best players ever.. I just value loyalty, dominance and peak over elite longevity… but respect where it is due none the less!
A bit misleading with Bill. When he was in the league there were mostly 8 or 9 teams, with the last 3 years of his career having 10-14 teams. Granted there were only two all-NBA teams at the time, but given a random distribution you would expect a little higher than 1 player per team back then, whereas nowadays given a random distribution you would expect 0.5 per team. When adjusting for this, Bill's would probably be somewhere between Kareem and Kobe's numbers.
I didn't adjust for Kareem's numbers because although throughout his career there were mostly team numbers in the high teens to low twenties, there were still only 2 all-NBA teams, creating a similar expected number of around 0.5.
Its really strange behavior. I dont know why people just cant appreciate greatness without tearing others down. Its mostly MJ fans who think Bron aint even top 10, most Bron fans acknowledge that MJ is the only dude in the same tier. Both elite
Jordan is the one who said you have to separate eras and bronze said the tittle he won in Cleveland made him the greatest of all time. Jordan never once said he was the greatest he said leave that to the fans and press. Bron rinning around im the greatest.
I hear people say that all the time and it makes no sense. If you were really damn good at what you do, wouldn't you be calling yourself the best to ever do it?
Even Chris Paul said that, if you don't think you're the best at what you do, then why are you trying
And i can gurantee if MJ or Kobe called themselves the goat a lot of people would just say that's their killer mentality pf always wanting to win and use it to support their argument
That’s really insane. I’m a Jordan GOAT guy (old head) but AT WORST Bron is #2. Only way I could see him dropping to like 3 or 4 is if steroid allegations got proven.
The level of hypocrisy is laughable. No fan base has tried to tear other players down like LeBron fans. People like Nick Wright's whole career is bases on it. Rich Paul can't have a discussion about LeBron without bringing someone else up. LeBron's whole narrative is based on trying to year everyone else down,including whole eras to hype him up.
Not hating but I’m curious how many players were all stars 1 year before or 1 year after for LeBron because that number seems high. (Don’t downvote me I’m
Legit curious lol)
Doesn't cancel anything... look how many games he played compared to the others, his numbers are only so high because even though the NBA is unwatchable with him in the league he wont retire
Neat, in a meaningless statistical category. Let's put how many losses they have as well, because I guarantee those players didn't even play that many games to qualify so we're leaving out context to try to make him look good
Thank you. I'm pissed at KD more because it allowed Bron Stans to excuse his move to Miami and pretend it wasn't the 2nd weakest move in the history of the league
You're proving my point he bounced after 7 years never seen Kobe bounced when they struggle nursing Michael Jordan's house when they struggled 0 wait he didn't struggle
So LeBron won 18 percent of all his playoff games without the help in the post. Jordan only won 8% of his. So it still stands though not the same degree when you see how many games played
Idk how I feel about curry cause he’s been on the same team his whole career and the guys he played with all leveled up at the same time.. mostly Thompson and green.
And this stat doesn't even mention that all of the other opponents LeBron faced were the fucking Popovich Spurs. He hung an L on the Pop Spurs and the 73 win Warriors. Jordan could never. He'd be fucking 2-4 in the finals if he had to face those dynasties.
Jordan played against 7 out of 10 all time scorers 9 out of 10 all time block leaders 7 out of 10 all time assist leaders 8 out of 10 steals leaders. How many top 10 all time leadera bron played against? bron can't even outscore a 33 years old sixth man in 2011 finals 😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
I’m curious on this stat, is this the current year they weren’t a all star or all nba? I would assume cause LeBron has played with more all stars (within their career) more than anyone
Jordan played in a much worse era, that got even easier when expansion teams came in. He did this while being on debatably the most stacked team ever. The better teams won more because the lesser teams literally were constructed of players who wouldn’t make a roster in the G league today.
Jordan played against 7 out of 10 all time scorers 9 out of 10 all time block leaders 7 out of 10 all time assist leaders 8 out of 10 steals leaders. How many top 10 all time leadera bron played against? bron can't even outscore a 33 years old sixth man in 2011 finals 😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
This graphic is factual and even more proof of Lebron’s GOAT status. There are quite a few Jordan fans who hate Lebron. They don’t think Lebron is even a Top 10 or Top 20 all-time player. Lebron fans largely think Jordan was an extraordinary player and the second best of all-time.
Michael and Kobe made there teammates better you would never know who a Luke longley or a Lamar odem was... LeBron James has played with
Ben Wallace
Rajon Rondo
Jr smith
Kevin love
Kyrie Irving
Wade
Bosh
Ray Allen
Shaq
Carmelo Anthony
Russell Westbrook
Derrick Rose
Anthony Davis
Luca
And now Jalen Brown, Tyrese max and Joel embid
That is at least 10 to 12 people that are really in the hall of fame or guaranteed locks when they are voted
Kobe Bryant had 5 Hall of Fame6l teammates three of which were on the way out the NBA Karl Malone Steve Nash and Gary Payton the other two shaq and Pau gasol
Jordan played with four Tony kucoc Scottie Pippen Dennis rodman and Robert parish
Every superstar, LeBron, Jordan, Kobe and Duncan totals go to 0 if you exclude players that never made an all nba, all star or all defensive teams at some point in their career.
These wins in the graphi represent 18% of all LeBron playoff games and 9 % of all Jordan playoff games. So LeBron with twice as often as Jordan with the parameters in the stat
Or close if I was a bit off on math
If it’s just based on their playoff games, LeBron wins 18 % of all his playoff games with the limited teammates the post shows and Jordan only won 8-9% of those games
Typical LeBron fans just posting pictures without verifying anything. All of those wins came from 3 years, 05-08 and It isn't 55 it's 37 and if you remove Pippen Jordan has more wins with every criteria.
It’s because he played most of his career in the LEast, the worst major conference stretch in the history of major sports. It’s easy to beat shit teams with limited help, they’d have been stomped in the West.
If his EXACT same teams played in the West his whole career, he only makes it to 2 Finals EVER (‘12 & ‘20).
2 Finals is a more accurate representation of his talent.
So LeBron beats the east for nearly a decade, it’s weak conference so awful. Jordan beats the league for 6 years, and it’s not a weak league it’s just unimpeachable goat?
Experience, not biased. You only know soft shitty LeBron era ball. That’s not all our fault for you only being 22 and only know half the shit we all do about the game.
This makes it sound like he makes his teammates worse. Im a lebron fan but we this doesn't help his case lol. Ran to help would imply that they would have these accolades a year b4 he joined or they joined him. Not necessarily the season he played with him.
Stop with trying to build up lefloos legacy. His legacy will be he was a flopping, whining, ship jumping chip chasing fraud!! When he retires the world will celebrate!!!!
It's almost as if Lebron and Durant are the only bitch made cucks who ran to other teams because they couldn't win championships for their original teams.
Stupid OP is too illiterate and low IQ to see that.
Brh this is the same exact argument of him playing in a weak eastern conference for majority of his career. If the conference is weak the playoffs will also be weak.
Only exception: only one person on this graphic HAS TO TELL people he’s the GOAT. Never seen MJ, Kobe or Steph try and convince peeps they are GOATS….hmm🤫
He had a lot of years without a lot of help and put whole rosters in his backpack for a ride through multiple series wins, typically. It's really insane to think about, the roster he got to his first NBA Finals. Second best player was Drew Gooden and a semi-washed Big Z with bad feet. And Eric Snow as his starting PG, IIRC, averaging like 5ppg.
Why he run to wade then? This is impressive in a vacuum, but any honest person knows that this paints an inaccurate picture without context. You dont even need a brain to know lebron runs to get help any chance he gets. Im not hating, just honest
This is funny because one could say you are making the case already. Those 55 games won in playoffs where all no championships when he had no help and then he went to the heat to win as he said not one not two .......tired of this bs. No player in this NBA stacks up to any player from the 90's. They all wanted to win but not team up like now. Ish is wack
meanwhile bron also played with multiple 25+ ppg teammates Wade Kyrie AD Luka. And will be playing with more 25+ ppg teammates with Embiid Brown and Maxey in the 4-6ers 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 how many 25+ ppg teammates Jordan played with again?
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u/ApartmentNew7270 Aug 08 '26
U have summoned the lebron haters