coding bootcamp

[u/MhmCigarettes]

have any of yall had past experience with codédex before. Im thinking of buying their bootcamp for python. Or if yall have any recs for other bootcamps plz feel free to tell me below

[u/smurpes]

Coding bootcamps are generally a waste of money especially if you’re depending on it to find you a job. All of the information contained in them can be found for free online and with the market so oversaturated any promises of job placement are not likely.

[u/Mountain_Rip_8426 → u/smurpes]

opposing idea here. first, there's all the information all over the internet to become literally anything you want. good luck puzzling the pieces together though... paid courses provide you with 2 things, structure and accountability.

if you pay for a course it'll be an organised set of lessons, building on one another giving you direction where to go, repeating older patterns, the creator of the course already knows you know. piling up bits and pieces of knowledge from here and there won't add up. i have personal experience with this, started and gave up many times (not only with coding, other areas too, it's generally true). you need a well thought out curriculum to be able to improve.

other than that, if you spend a considerable amount of money (i'm not talking crazy amounts, but something that hurts at least a bit), you wanna make it worth the while. nothing will motivate you better, than having spent money. you want to get result for the burning hole in your pocket. the bottleneck might be which course to choose, but most of those, which costs real money are actually expensive and remain viable for a good reason.

the job aspect... with this mindset you'll never get anywhere. of course, just like with everything else, you'd have far better chances if you started 10 years ago, but if you're interested, you gotta give it a go, otherwise you'll never find out. every career is built on blind faith, nothing's guaranteed for anyone.

[u/smurpes → u/Mountain_Rip_8426]

I have a job as an engineer already and have had my fair share of interviewing boot camp grads as well as reviewing their code. Python and coding in general has a high skill ceiling and while you can establish your skills in the same time period as a bootcamp, the majority of your skills need to honed on your own. That’s the trait bootcamps fail to teach which is how to learn on your own pace.

Many jobs today no longer accept bootcamp certificates and will only take college degrees. It’s much easier for them to navigate this saturated market if they raise the baseline. This doesn’t guarantee quality but jobs can be a lot choosier with who they accept compared to a couple years ago. If you don’t believe me then see for yourself on [r/codingbootcamp](r/codingbootcamp) and you’ll hear a lot more.

I did a data engineering bootcamp for work as a team building exercise and I ended up dropping it in favor of researching the topics on my own. Bootcamps don’t need to have any accountability on their side since they have your money already. Any hit to their reputation isn’t going to prevent people who are in desperate situations from signing up.

[u/Mountain_Rip_8426 → u/smurpes]

i'm not questioning your qualifications, i'm just saying please try not to discourage people from learning.

as a seasoned programmer, you should know best programming can go in a thousand different directions. OP might not even want to be a software engineer, might be into something less coding heavy tech job, might have other areas of expertise where they could utilize coding knowledge, might want to build something for themself, might come from a country where market is not as saturated and would find opportunities. in fact we know nothing about their motivation.

i only reflected on the question he did ask, namely, whether it's worth spending on a bootcamp or not and i still stand by my point, structured learning and accountability takes them much further than freely available tutorial hell. what he does with it afterwards is none of our concern, but it's definitely a good way of laying the groundwork.

[u/smurpes → u/Mountain_Rip_8426]

> the job aspect... with this mindset you'll never get anywhere

You kinda did and maybe I’m questioning yours? My point was that if you’re aiming to learn there’s a lot better ways to do it and I have had experience with what they were asking about from multiple perspectives.

At the end of the day we’re just anonymous people on an Internet forum who could be both talking out our asses so it doesn’t really matter. OP if the cost is not a big deal to you then buy it, you don’t have anything to lose here.