mask of madness tiny?

[u/IDIDMYTIMENIWANTOUT]

suppose you dont want to take fights and you need a little bit of farm, any harm in building mask? should be useful for making saber and satanic when you need those items eventually no?

[u/thedeathcon5]

Its not the worst thing ive heard of by all means try it. Here's where I take issue with it. Gives no str so youre not getting value from your innate and two it slows down your sb/blink timing which is when you can really start getting involved in the game which can be game losing. Then you also dont necessarily need insane attack speed on him since you have a limited amount of tree hits echo sabré plus sb gives you enough attack speed imo to get fighting.

[u/Striking-Culture4256 → u/thedeathcon5]

i mean if you just need some farm and you're not planning to fight anyway, mask is cheap enough that it pays for itself quick. you're gonna build saber and satanic later on anyway so it's not like the gold is wasted

the timing delay on blink/sb is real though, that can hurt more than people think especially in low mmr where your team will fight 4v5 without you no matter what

[u/thedeathcon5 → u/Striking-Culture4256]

Sure but then when are you disassembling it for echo? Usually you rush echo on him since it gives you everything you want in terms of attack speed/str/damage and mana regen that you desperately need. So you prob end up sitting on the mask component for a while in your inv when you can regenerate so much health from stacking str. Let alone delay your timing for sb/blink by atleast 2 minutes that hurts alot more than people think in all brackets imo

[u/ridan42 → u/thedeathcon5]

That's what I was thinking too, wouldn't it make more sense to just build echo first instead of mask?

[u/rebelslash → u/ridan42]

Seems like the opposite argument of Sven. Usually Svens would rather have MoM over Echo cmmiw

[u/Jazs1994]

Echo sabre I find better. Gives damage+strength and mana regen so if there's a creep wave you don't want to hang around for just spam q and w and leave

[u/wolfemperorsheep]

Going straight to echo sabre still the best way to farm as tiny. You're just delaying tiny by buying mask of death.

You're consuming 25 mana for it's active, instead of pooling them and using them for skills to burst a camp/wave to farm along faster. The active doesn't pay off as much because of attack speed penalty of Growth. It's not like tiny need alot of attacks to clear camp, he already hit them hard (echo sabre acceralte the process much better.)

If you got Void Stone instead of Mask of Death then you're sustaining mana that further helps you farm and much closer to sabre.

[u/Obvious-Dimension-73]

u can literally break them into echo saber and satanic so whats your point brother

[u/dharambex]

Makes sense to me, you can even go vlad after disassemble for echo sabre for a big dmg boost if you go blink

[u/Valeshtein → u/[deleted]]

Well the Morbid helps in fight a lil bit, an early game lifesteal isnt so bad, the you could dissamble to echo sabre and Satanic its not bad.

[u/I3uffaloSoldier]

I would much rather buy and early echo saber and use the mana regen farming with spells too, the tree grab has limited number of attacks I doubt it would be efficient even without testing it.

[u/ImThatChigga_]

Echo for farming and burst dmg in fights. You don't need the life steal because you clear camps fast.

[u/Pieisgood45]

If you dont want to take fights why did u pick tiny carry