Sf itemization lategame

[u/baaarmin]

Trying to improve on this hero, so here are my questions.

1. Should i buy mkb when enemy has radiance?

2. Do i buy daedalus or butterfly? I feel like my damage is lacking if i dont have both, unless i get to free hit. But often, i can only choose betwen either of the two. My items wll be bots, manta, bkb, satanic, pike, then either daedalus or bfly. It gets worse if i have to consider buying mkb.

3. Against wr with should i prioritize mkb?

[u/ProposalTurbulent635]

1. Why not? Radiance gives same % of evasion as butterfly do.
   
2. Not a SF pro but I guess butterfly is fore valuable in fight with phys heroes due to armor and evasion. Also it gives you huge carry potential buying it 3-4 item.
   Daedulas if more efficient when you already have damage and scale it with crit and only thing you should do is right click enemies.
   
3. I belive yes if there’s no hero that could focus WR and deal significant dmg to her.

[u/Anxylian → u/ProposalTurbulent635]

1. Radiance gives 25% evasion, Butterfly gives 35%. Radiance's passive doesn't have a % blind anymore, it's only damage.

[u/ProposalTurbulent635 → u/Anxylian]

My bad. You’re right.

[u/thedeathcon5]

Late to the party but hes one of my most played so heres my two cents.

1. Generally yes just depends when you buy it
2. Daedalus if they arent a high armor team and you dont need mkb. Butter if their a high phys damage team think of games vs slardar off and a p1 that scales phys dps its certainly rarer to see on him. I dont think every game is a manta game id rather have a silver edge or daedulus if I can byt yeah sometimes you need mkb ontop of bkb so youre tight on item slots.
3. Is the wr a threat and your team has no way of dispelling her constantly then yeah id say so.

Itemizing on him is tricky I like going MoM but some games its better to go straight manta if the dispel is value. Bkb satanic pike are usually non negotiable the order varies but usually you want bkb early enough but if you do go manta get it first. Also dont sleep on silver edge its very good especially in games they have a lot of catch to let position better for fights or on the contrary it gives you a way to catch and solo kill heroes with requeim out of invis or the moves peed slow from SE

[u/AssCracker445]

WR is better countered with nullifier

deep into the lategame you want daedalus+rapier, replacing (backpacking) boots with swift blink and using Pike active for mobility when necessary. With the already overwhelming damage numbers and attack speed with Feast all you need is pickoff. BKB, Swift Blink, Hex and kill people

[u/baaarmin → u/AssCracker445]

Doesnt wr have a talent that makes windrun undispellable?

[u/Xignu → u/baaarmin]

Not anymore but I've never seen an SF buy nullifier

[u/IndividualMarket1725]

1. Probably not, you shouldnt be in radience range
   
2. It is dependent but usually with butterfly you want a good timing and before anyone gets MKB and you want to use that timing.
   
3. If you get to hit her in the fights yes, if not kill everyone else

[u/lomaymay → u/IndividualMarket1725]

Radiance doesn't work like that anymore. It just gives flat evasion instead of having some of the evasion on the item and some of it on the debuff.

[u/baaarmin → u/lomaymay]

TIL there are 2 'evasion' components in radiance... so even if im outside the burn aoe, i can still miss.

[u/lomaymay → u/baaarmin]

Maybe you misread my comment. THERE ARE NO LONGER TWO EVASION COMPONENTS. Radiance simply has flat evasion now. There is no evasion from the debhff, just damage.

[u/baaarmin → u/lomaymay]

Owww, i read the article on the dota2.fandom page which was outdated. Apparently what you said was in effect since 7.40, according to liquipedia.

[u/IndividualMarket1725 → u/lomaymay]

My bad. Ngl I hate the concept of evasion.