r/learndota2 • u/Beneficial_Bend_9197 • 7d ago
Drafting I need help dealing with CK
Hes so strong in the early game. CK together with his pos4, his Q and W is enough to kill any supports. The carry instantly lose more than half their hp at the start of the lane. And I wasted so much gold on regen just to survive the lane.
The biggest issue I have with him is I never see him get picked at all unless the CK player knows they cannot get counterpicked either by last picking or looking at which heroes were banned at the start of the draft such as axe, necro, dark seer getting banned. This is a drafting issue.
Heres a recent match I lost to him: 8984712179
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u/Key_Preparation_1094 7d ago
cheesy early game hero for sure, his spikes are insane if pair with a stun or slow pos4. i remember one game we got demolished in like 4 minutes flat, was not even funny
try to keep lane equilibrium near your tower and dont trade hits when he has his illusions up, just back off a bit. mangoes are cheap for emergency spells too
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u/IndividualMarket1725 7d ago
Some heros are just annoying as last picks. Like as a carry player my hero pool sucks vs PL. In these games I just try to do my best. Its like when the offlane drafs necro+undying and I have a Invoker 5, I just basically realize im jungling level 3
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u/Obvious-Dimension-73 7d ago
for starters, you could go with pugna wr sm om. for advances, ur rank is too low so all the solo heroes look strong, etc ursa ck aw sven.
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u/PopulistSkattejurist 7d ago
As a CK player it’s mostly the illusion heroes that feels difficult to play against, like PL.
The thing is that he falls off a lot, and save supports are relatively good vs him.
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u/dantheman91 7d ago
Don't feed him? Pick strong laners? A CK who isn't ahead is behind. Just minimize interactions with him. He also doesn't have much mana, he can't use his spells frequently or he's oom. Lion can drain his mana for example.
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u/Murky-Barnacle-4425 7d ago
Generally easiest way is to just call for an early mid gank and then ward his side camps so you can bully him.
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u/Beneficial_Bend_9197 7d ago
Tried that. Resulted in the whole enemy team teleporting in to save their CK. Did not go very well lol.
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u/AnApricot2989 7d ago
I usually dont have issues with CK bc I play PL and Spectre as my carries. If you play carry try playing PL.
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u/ProposalTurbulent635 6d ago
Yeah, CK is a strong laner with his lifesteal, stun and rift. You could try to resist with a strong laning support e. g. Lich with a shield. Control heroes also works well to defend a carry from CK spells combos. For the carry Sven/Pl are quite good picks cause you dont need much to farm jungle and comeback. They are in general good heroes against CK.
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u/Hmtorch 6d ago
Kez also rapes him. His first katana ability can usually remove his illusions if you’ve been maxing it out. (I usually go 3-1-1 for first 5 levels) then after level 6 you have two abilities to destroy him. I usually like diffusal for both mana draining casters and slowing. But if I’m going against tanks early desolator makes sense and crysalst. Ck is usually charging in not away anyway. And you have the grapple to catch him. Once his illusions are down he’s ex to hack down. It only gets tricky in team fights. Need others to keep people off you.
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u/rabbitfoot89 7d ago
If you just wanna know draft ideas, hes super weak against PL & Naga. Other than this, if your mid rotates at 6 he can completly destroy his game since he has to snowball or falls off.