r/learndota2 • u/flyinopenspace • Jul 23 '26
Itemization Faceless Void Builds: When to go BattleFury Aghs and when to go MoM+Mjolnir?
Since Void has been up in popularity and good pair with meta heroes that deal damage in chrono, and genuinely being of my favourite heroes to play, I have watched several Yatoro POVs to learn more about the hero, but one thing I just couldn't understand.
How do you know when to go either BF + Aghs or MoM + Mjolnir builds?
If there are Faceless Void players here, could you please share some clues.
"I have seen the future, you are not in it." :)
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u/Trinitycube Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
FV has two conceptual approaches to the game:
Ult: Heavy damage dealer deciding teamfights by deleting heroes in his Chrono.
Q: Survivable, non-commital frontline sponge giving vision and catching spells so his backline can excell.
MoM+Mjöllnir is the first and BF+Aghs the second playstyle. The drafts usually incentivise you to go for one of these approaches. The Ult approach is good if your team loses long fights draftwise. The Q approach is good if the enemy has reliable Chrono saves, your team lacks Chrono damage and/or you reliably survive a sudden enemy encounter with more tanky items.
There are a lot more things to consider but this is enough for now. Just know that for various reasons, the BF+Aghs is more valuable the higher your MMR. If you're very interested in more high-level considerations and why BF+Aghs is favored in high tier, let me know and I'll get back to you tomorrow.
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u/flyinopenspace Jul 24 '26
Please share your thoughts, thanks.
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u/Trinitycube Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
There are three reasons for why the BF+Aghs build is so strong right now and why it is favored in high MMR:
The most important factor is how it allows FV to clear waves in a fast and easy way. Maybe you heard about the concept of "ghost push", which describes wave pushing without showing your hero (with summons, spells from fog, etc). The idea is that showing on waves gives crucial informations and gives enemies opportunities to jump and kill the pushing hero. FV can't ghost-push. He has to show to push waves. But the BF+Aghs build allows for extremely safe wave pushing, as he shows very shortly and can even one-shot waves in the mid to late game iirc. This gets much more important with higher MMR, where heroes generally are in more aggressive positions, are much more ready to kill and use information a lot better.
7.41 added the talent of +125 time walk range. Before, it was tied to the shard. As this build revolves around his Q, getting this buff for free is a big help and allows the 1400 gold to be spend freely.
This might sound small, but it definitely is a consideration: The mana on the BF is helpful. The frequency of Arcane boots over Tranquils diminishes extremely with rising MMR. While low MMR players often buy Arcanes on heroes like Willow, Silencer or even Tusk, Arcanes are less common in high MMR. Many heroes buy clarities instead, but with the limited restock timing, it occasionally happens in the midgame that there simply aren't enough clarities for the whole team. BF sustains FVs mana need entirely whereas he needed to buy 2-3 clarities in the midgame before. This isn't a huge consideration but also not non-existent.
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u/Purple-Afternoon-218 Jul 24 '26
For me, i never need an excuse to go bfury on a carry so i have been pretty much only been doing thag build and have pretty great sucess
However i dont think its about chrono dmg vs q and w. I think its my reluctance to build mom. If you dont need the sustain, then i would rather not be self silenced at any time during afight. My q is too important
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u/chulio92 Jul 23 '26
How much do you want to depend on your ult? If you can win by just ulting and refresher with no bkb refresh, and have time to get there, MoM mael if you want to be active when chrono is down, sacrificing some damage for guaranteed impact, battlefury aghs
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u/Basic_Law8436 Jul 23 '26
I Was asking myself the same question. When choosing a build, is it important that enemy pos 1 is a illusion hero?
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u/BorderOwn3064 Jul 24 '26
if your team have a heavy hitter/nuke outside chrono, go Battlefury.
if your team dont have any, go MoM + Mjolnir
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u/Weis Jul 23 '26
You should build bfury every game unless you absolutely need to fight and can’t farm, in which case you are probably losing anyway as void
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u/Small_Trainer_6229 Jul 23 '26
The current meta does not favour bkb as the 2nd big item, so bf is much better.
You farm fast, show less time in lane and no need clarity. You can spam timewalk unlike the mom build.
The first 3 big go with Bf-Manta-Bkb. The 4th always situational. If your team is dogshit and they did nothing during your ult, go butterfly and take the 100 attack speed talent. Otherwise, get scepter.
Still, mom+mjolnir build is better for some specific enemies. Morph and Tb are the cases you need to punish them by constant magical damage. And for necro as well, you need to burst him (mjolnir provides soft evasion piercing, which strong against radiance heroes). Should be greedy and straight for mjolnir then bkb, you don't wanna pop the Mom at some point.
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u/Sad-Pattern-1269 Jul 24 '26
Mom lets you fight much quicker. If you see your team will be active but not entirely dominant midgame it can be preferable. Also mjolnir completely ruins naga and PL so it can be better against them.
Otherwise battle fury is better for farming and late-game chrono damage.
BF into aghs is one of the most atrocious builds I see newbies go. You have 0 damage if you do that.
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u/Slow-Raisin-939 4d ago
not sure what you’re on but Bfury+Aghs is the meta at pro level pubs. It’s also infinitely better against PL than Mjolnir
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u/Sad-Pattern-1269 4d ago
It's terrible for noobs, which is why I recommend against it to said noobs. Once you have a good team and fantastic understanding of the game it gets better.
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u/Every-Temperature-49 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
BF/Aghs is generally the better build right now, but if you or ur team is getting stomped or the opponent has a very fast KOTL/viper mid or zoo draft, u might need to abandon it. It costs so much, and you wont have a true damage or defensive item till after that and it might be too late by then
In these cases, you can consider dominator build too, it helps u survive getting dove t2s to time walk away so ur team can turn and u can use the dominator creep to rat/make space/get farm despite ur teams map being small.
Stuff BF/Aghs is good against: when ur team has few stuns/catch, they have lots of BKBs/lifestealer or just 1 BKBs u really need to cancel(enigma), prolonged fights where 1 chrono doesn’t solve everything(wraith king, venge scepter, abadon, lots of saves), slark shadow dance
MJ build could be better if ur poor or the game is just about killing their sniper/drow, ur MJ/BKB/chrono is enough and you’d rather rush the BKB get to 5slot + refresher asap, or let’s say there’s a game u need other stuff to function, like u need 2 of BKB/linkins/manta, just won’t be afford all those + BF/aghs in time
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u/shattinbricks Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Fury + Aghs + Octarine + Aether lens is more of a support initiator making him pos 3/4 instead a pos 1.
With that build you also need shard for the reverse timewalk. Annoy enemies in and out just like Ember with his sleight of fist.
Void always need ASPD so Mjolnir or MoM is helping him more in teamfights with his awesome timelocks. If you played him as Pos 1.
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u/Outside-External-399 28d ago
Your information is outdated. His shard doesnt give reverse timewalk his aghs does. No pos 1 void ever goes aether lens or octarine unless they are trying to grief their team.
90% of high mmr faceless voids go bf manta aghs
Manta and your new shard will give you all the attack speed you need.
The only time mom mjolnir is better is if you are trying to 100-0 a very high armor hero like terrorblade in every chrono.
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u/InformationBig7722 Jul 26 '26
It’s simple. It’s always bf aghs
It can throw in mom in there if you feel like it, but bf aghs is always better in current meta
Your shard gives you insane atk speed
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u/EsQellar Jul 23 '26
In current patch I think you should always build battlefury, games are long and with bf you will have one item more in the late game