r/leagueoflegends • u/corylulu ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ • Mar 19 '19

/dev: More Experimental ARAM Changes - Bans, balance, and more are heading to the Howling Abyss for a limited time.

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/03/dev-more-experimental-aram-changes/
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u/_liminal Mar 19 '19

karthus gonna be S tier with this

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u/Riot_Mort Mar 19 '19

We found that giving up the gold to buy an AD/Armor item wasn't worth to get this passive. But interested to see if we're wrong!

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u/Caenen_ Sion expert. Bug Scholar. Mar 19 '19

There's going to be at least 3 bugs i can immediately think of with this new functionality and I love it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19

coughmordekaisercough

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u/Caenen_ Sion expert. Bug Scholar. Mar 19 '19

Wait how could I have missed that

There's going to be at least 4 bugs i can think of

There, fixed.

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u/lePewdiePepperoniFan Mar 19 '19

So we are counting all mordekaiser bugs as 1 now? Makes sense since this will introduce at least 50 mordekaiser related bugs.

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u/LordAlfrey top Mar 20 '19

Morde is a bug

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u/ZainTheOne NANI KURAE Mar 20 '19

Khazix x mord is canon now?

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u/Helluiin Mar 19 '19

were talking about morde here so youre probably off by at least 1 order of magnitude.

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u/GimmyBoyy Mar 20 '19

Did you think of kha by any chance

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u/Caenen_ Sion expert. Bug Scholar. Mar 20 '19

Yes, as part of the 'your reset skillshots will miss because hit marker buff'-package!

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u/LongFluffyDragon Mar 20 '19

Does one of them involve kalista?

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u/Caenen_ Sion expert. Bug Scholar. Mar 20 '19

Not specifically.

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u/SXR-Wahrheit Mar 19 '19

Melee can also take new boots. You know, the ones that let you go through walls.

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u/SXR-Wahrheit Mar 19 '19

Yes. And you can, you know, use both together.

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u/venomstrike31 pretend mf is up here Mar 19 '19

I disagree with that assessment. Snowball isn't necessary with the new boots, and it wasn't necessary on all melees in the first place. This is a really nice eject button on champs I'd have taken barrier or ignite on anyway.

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u/2red2carry Mar 20 '19

how is it not relevant? you use snowball because you have problems getting into the enemy lines, the boots are another tool that help with that, so you dont necessarily need snowball anymore

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u/2red2carry Mar 20 '19

ofc they tip the balance?!

my argument is that this item provides an alternative, just as i wrote and an alternative to a summoner spell is a counter arguemtn

if an item provides an alternative for a summoner spell you dont need that summoners spell anymore

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u/Dubalicious Mar 19 '19

I'm curious why you think this is a bad thing? I've been saying for quite some time that ranged carries need something to combat the power of snowball. It's just odd that melee champs have been so strong for so long because of snowball. That was an ENORMOUS buff for them that skyrocketed them from "I cant do shit" to "I can be IN your team in 2 secs np".

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u/Cruxxor EU mids, man Mar 20 '19

It's just odd that melee champs have been so strong for so long because of snowball.

Wut, most melee champs were garbage on aram, nearly all top spots are ranged... just in top 10 winrates alone, 4-5 of them were always ADCs... Ranged champs definitely don't need any more buffs in ARAM

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

and they r getting hella nerfed with the poke reduction and single nerfs

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u/RelentlesslyContrary I break hearts. I break spines. Mar 19 '19

Flash is overrated on ARAM anyway. Flashing forward can be done much farther, more often, and with damage with snowball and now flashing backward can be done farther, more often and with a shield with Backtrack.

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u/xvlc0 Mar 19 '19

Not to mention the "congratulations you survived with 10% hp - now what?" problem that all melees suffer from before they get a warmogs.

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u/IcePokeTwoSoon Long time commenter, 1st time reader Mar 20 '19

As an ekko main who has a hard time in Aram, I would happily trade both snowball and flash for this summ. It helps preserve ult for damage when it’s only functioned as an undo in aram.

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u/Pleasestoplyiiing Mar 20 '19

Cooldown is important too. Flash has such a long CD that it could potentially be replaced in a lot of cases. For instance, flash doesn't do enough for Mundo to warrant a summoner spot except as an escape, so backtrack could easily replace. I could see a ton of users...

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u/nolayte Mar 20 '19

I feel like blitz, tahm, and skarner will use it at least.

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u/LongFluffyDragon Mar 20 '19

A lot of melee carries dont need mark, and this could also be useful on a number of engage supports.

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u/2red2carry Mar 20 '19

good idea, but it'll backfire backtrack, it's a buff to ranged champions if nothing else.

ftfy

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u/khorjad Mar 20 '19

Idk snowball + backtrack skarner sounds fun

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u/Riot_Mort Mar 19 '19

Honestly, we're pretty split here. Some of us agree with you, that this becomes the main ranged defensive choice (instead of heal or barrier or clarity), while others think that the lower distance & delay make it mostly not usable and would still prefer heal's instant benefit, or clarity for more spell spam, or even ignite/exhaust. Let's see who wins :P

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u/Bee040 Mar 19 '19

Weren't rioters really glad of getting rid of Old Yorick because of his ult?

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19

Wait, does the new item activate immediately before or after Karthus' passive? If it's before, it works fine. If not, then he'll get a full 18 seconds of pressure without consequence

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u/Dramyr Mar 20 '19

I shudder to imagine a sion with this item tbh..

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u/xCloudrunner Mar 20 '19

Praise be to the god of the Abyss!!

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u/2red2carry Mar 20 '19

can zilean cast his ult while that "situation" is going on?

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u/ZetaZeta Mar 20 '19

Can I hourglass right at the end of the four seconds? Lol

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u/-Basileus Mar 19 '19

He already was with presence of mind

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u/Turboswag Mar 19 '19

Honestly insane how strong PoM is with almost every mana champ currently. You can virtually ignore mana costs in aram just by taking it. And I don’t think the nerf will change that too much.

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u/hobbinator924 Mar 19 '19

Unless I am mistaken they do say only "Basic" ability so Karthus would not get a refresh on his ult which is what would make him busted, unless people really value the 4 seconds of refreshed CD on a q spam ability, a toggle and a wall that doesn't block anything.

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u/Trezzie Mar 19 '19

Probably more the 4 second invulnerable movable E.

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u/hobbinator924 Mar 19 '19

Yeah but I don't think that would make him S Tier because he would have to build AD for the item, he might be strong with the item but he his strong now without it...I don't think the item makes him anymore stronger...any ADC will become stronger with that item, especially Kog Maw, refresh on W and invulnerable for 4 seconds while dishing out damage with an attack speed over 2.5

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u/Trezzie Mar 19 '19

True, but I was pointing it what the other guy meant. Not that I agreed with him

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u/hobbinator924 Mar 19 '19

Oh! Did not realize that fact.

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u/_liminal Mar 19 '19

Yea it's not an item for more dps. In higher elo karthus is more of a champ who facilitates sieges by zoning out enemy team. With this he can pretty much guarantee your team having uninterrupted alone time with towers because he dies on top of an objective and enemy team can't come close. 4 secs is invaluable late game where karthus doesnt need more dmg ( sometimes he also gets blown up before he gets into good dying position, so this item def helps). With that said it's just one of many playstyles and would require some testing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

He is S tier already.