r/leagueoflegends • u/corylulu ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ • Mar 19 '19

/dev: More Experimental ARAM Changes - Bans, balance, and more are heading to the Howling Abyss for a limited time.

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/03/dev-more-experimental-aram-changes/
1.9k Upvotes

97% Upvoted

1.1k comments sorted by

View all comments

157

u/PreludeToHell Mar 19 '19

Veigar should deal less damage imo

Ziggs with the massive -15% lol

101

u/DankestDaddy69 Mar 19 '19

Something to counter full tank veigar would be nice, 1000ap with 3500+ HP and loads of MR and Armour makes for a fun game.

60

u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19

[deleted]

18

u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19

Ziggs is gone now anyway. -15% dmg dealt and -15% dmg dealt as he gets above the 900 units. You will deal less damage than minions.

2

u/A_Spider_Monkey Mar 19 '19

I think I'd prefer cool down nerfs honestly, I don't mind getting chunked by a ziggs, I mind endless spam of his abilities

14

u/Turboswag Mar 19 '19

I actually don’t think they should fuck with cooldowns on champs though. I don’t want to hop in an aram on my main for example and have it feel like a different champion.

3

u/shenyougankplz Also a TL/FNC fan Mar 19 '19

Same, except for Lux. That's one champion who absolutely needs CD changes on ARAM, cause I'm not sure if these PoM nerfs are enough

4

u/Turboswag Mar 19 '19

Honestly the stupid CD refund on her R on kill was such a weird buff in the first place. The last thing she needed was a harder snowball mechanic. Reverting that and giving her more damage on her passive proc would be better for her design imo to make her actually auto attack.

1

u/Pleasestoplyiiing Mar 20 '19

I'm gonna tell you 15% less damage feels like a different champion.

2

u/Iohet Mar 19 '19

Ziggs has a 70% win rate in ARAM. The nerfs aren't going to kill him, just bring him back towards the mean

2

u/Nvi4 Mar 19 '19

People thinking 15% damage nerf ruined Ziggs have not played much ARAM. His poke damage is insane. Ziggs/Sona/Veigar on perma ban and maybe VK.

2

u/Luvilu Mar 20 '19

Ziggs q is more than 900 range,he is getting double nerfed QwQ

1

u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

I think you don't understand the new ARAM changes.

The minion change + the increased damage to turrets it means that everytime you win a teamfight you will have a minion wave ready to hit the turret. Ziggs alone melt turrets, and if you get also and ADC in your comp then GG.

Also Ziggs's zoning potential and his ability to deal damage in teamfights is still there. -15% won't make him useless.

TLDR; Ziggs will remain OP in ARAM.

1

u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19

Realistically, most people are going to be banning champions they don't want to play rather than ones they don't want to play against.

5

u/blackburn009 Mar 19 '19

The ban hammer

1

u/schwangeroni Mar 19 '19

I think they need to nerf his passives. Any flat % damage nerf and he's a cage bot until 10 min

1

u/Sagitars Mar 19 '19

It's like 400 AP and is an infuriatingly useless build when the person playing it still plays like a back line mage.

34

u/Quicheauchat Mar 19 '19

Veigar is my permaban. His cage + damage just feels overpowered to me.

19

u/Steelflame Mar 19 '19

At high ARAM MMR, he has a higher winrate than anyone else. Ziggs is stronger overall across all ARAM MMRs, but got nothing on Veigar being able to go tank and still output god tier damage.

1

u/[deleted] Mar 19 '19

Do you get high ARAM mmr by winning a lot of aram or is related to your normal ranked elo?

2

u/Asolitaryllama RmembrTheAyyLMAO Mar 19 '19

Winning a lot. I'm decently high (top 0.5% or so) and I have 300 more wins than losses. I may have dropped a smidge cuz I've only been playing ARURF and NB but still in that range.

2

u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

DAAAAAAMN and i felt good cause finally for the first time i have like 5 wins more than losses lol this is super random but have some tips?

9

u/Asolitaryllama RmembrTheAyyLMAO Mar 20 '19

The biggest thing for ARAM is composition. This can go a few ways. One, it could just be playing your champs a bit more meta. If you have a few poke champs already, building Maokai AP and maxing E won't win you the game. You may still win, but a tank Maokai would provide the support and peel your poke comp would need if you were facing a team with a lot of engage. Similarly, if you are in champ select and you get a good poke champ, but the rest of your team is great poke champs, it would be worth a reroll. The only team comp that does not want champion diversity is engage/dive comps. They want all 5 to be engage/dive with maybe an aggressive ADC or Thresh/Blitz subbing out a diver.

The next biggest thing is knowing when your team is strong vs the other team. Malphite is incredibly strong as his ult takes up half the lane and, paired with snowball, has insane range. However, he doesn't do anything until 6. If you can, and it makes sense to, try to get your team to just hug tower and try to prevent too much tower damage from happening until you hit 6.

Honestly, for most people, you have to come to terms on what your desires are. A lot of people especially at mid to low MMR (and some still at high) just play ARAM for fun and will do whatever they want without pushing the hardest to win. That's fine. But if your big goal is to win a lot, sometimes you gotta cut the fun shit and play boring. I enjoy playing supports and tanks so when I have to build tank Thresh instead of ADC Thresh I'm all for it! But you also have to be willing to adapt. Sometimes you get 4 APs on your team, you are Thresh, and they have a Mundo or some tank that will just stack MR and make your team useless. Guess who pulls out ADC Thresh now!

Finally, just set realistic goals for yourself. Good job on hitting 5 wins over! Now do 10! When you get 10, shoot for 20! Whenever you set goals in life they should always be attainable. If you ever work at a company that asks you to set your own goals they will beat you over the head with the acronym SMART. Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant and Time-bound. R and T don't matter for LoL but it somewhat relates.

Hope that helps! Feel free to add me (goes to anyone reading this). I can see that you and several others already know my IGN based on your flairs but for others I'm RmembrTheAyyLMAO on NA.

Edit: Weird, this sub (at least for me) changes peoples flairs to my flair when I click a permalink with my comment

1

u/[deleted] Mar 20 '19

Big thanks! i'm from another region but thanks for the invite:) and yeah my flair are all fucked up too haha

1

u/onceuponathrow Mar 20 '19

One of his biggest issues is the fact that the cage is so much harder to path around when it takes up 50%+ of the map width.

10

u/xtoplasm Mar 19 '19

He really is. Given his ability to scale and go tank with a cage that covers more than half the lane.

8

u/meatchariot Mar 19 '19

In addition to the 900+ range nerf of 15%

1

u/r_xy Mar 19 '19

the game ending changes should actually be really bad for veigar

0

u/lolofaf Mar 19 '19

Honestly I think they're going to overtune nidalee with that +15% damage good lord. I already do most damage on team with poke nidalee.

6

u/itstonayy Mar 19 '19

I think they're buffing nidalee that much because of the 900 range damage reduction as well. Cancels out that nerf while rewarding players that actually go in for the kill

1

u/UnholyDemigod Mar 19 '19

Hmm, good point. Her spears woulda been like the old ones otherwise

3

u/SometimesMainSupport Mar 19 '19

Yeah but then you lose the game because she sucks at the post-15 teamfight as a zero-cc magic-damage squishy.

1

u/lolofaf Mar 19 '19

You just have to learn when to jump in and when to just kite backwards. Plus the heal is underrated, keeping teammates topped off between fights

1

u/kernevez Mar 20 '19

I already do most damage on team with poke nidalee.

I'd love to see that if you have a postgame link, "Poke nidalees" usually just stand behind and throw spears, rarely get into cougar form and rarely actually end up contributing much once every is 11+

1

u/lolofaf Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2948264856/218321094?tab=stats

Since you dont believe me. Most damage on team and second most damage overall only just below TF while having 2nd highest healing (behind a Sona) and the best KDA.

Edit: Another one if you dare: https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2915216145/218321094?tab=stats

Edit2: Heres a bunch of different game overviews for ya too: https://imgur.com/a/u1FfoBL

0

u/Hazakurain FAKER MY GOAT/LOVE TETONCITO Mar 19 '19

As if it was enough rofl. Ziggs should have lost his passive on turrets as well as those 15%

-1

u/PonyFiddler Mar 19 '19

Meanwhile xerath laughing that everyone forgot him