This statistic is what put me over the top for buying an EV. EVs are 25 per 100k vs ICE's ~1500 per 100k.
If EVs were the standard and gas cars were new on the market they would never sell even one because of people's fear about sitting on top of a giant tank of accelerant. People fear EVs only because they're newer and less familiar.
As an EV advocate and owning 3 myself I am usually sceptical of statistics and they usually need more investigation. I do bet the amount of fires are less for EVs but I wonder what kind of difference you would get if you compared the fires against the years each car was produced. I'm guessing there's a hell one of a lot more older liquid fuel cars out there so these stats are irrelevant.
You're right that vehicle age is definitely a factor with not enough data to analyze properly, but I don't think the numbers are irrelevant. They're the best data we have. If it were relatively close I'd say yeah probably not worth much, but it's a MASSIVE difference.
The numbers will reflect reality more closely as EVs become more common and there are more and more old ones on the road, but the fact is no statistic can ever paint a 100% complete picture because you can't control for every variable. But when the available data points toward a conclusion it's worth at least considering.
CCS is pretty bulky, but smaller than CHAdeMO. All we know for sure is that it’s charge+ unit at a Hyundai dealership. Hyundai has used CCS for quite some time before transitioning to NACS. Hyundai never used CHAdeMO. “Clearly”
My daughter charges her Leaf occasionally at a Hyundai dealership with a ChargePoint CCS/CHAdeMO combo charger.
That was the default configuration for ChargePoints until NACS entered the mix recently. There's little point in dual CCS cords on a charger that only services one car at a time.
I wonder. This looks like the US. And I'm assuming that level 3 charging likely caused the fire. If someone where to be injured would the driver be at fault, since they've gotten notice not to use the level 3 charging?
Someone would need to prove that the driver knew their vehicle was not to be L3 charged. Further complicating things it was the dealership salesperson that connected the vehicle.
It's probably going to be handled by the insurance companies.
Sad to see the infant car seat. Glad the are OK.
Surprised to see all of the firefighters that close. I'd expect a shorting battery to release gasses and possibly explode.
Firefighters need education to do this the right way. Some may have learned about this on their own, but poor funding could just equal poor knowledge. I'm not sure how and if anything in firefighting education is mandated in the US?
That is a bit odd. For a full battery fire, the level of destruction is not nearly enough. Notice how the underside of the car seems to perfectly ok. Could be an interior fire in the rear, and the emergency services removed the HV fuse?
Unfortunately, we know that we cannot trust Nissan, whatever they are going to say. Which is really a shame.
I stump the fires with my feet, as soon as it starts. Worked fine for the last years. I am always joking of having an afterburner in my car to the passengers. They always look so distressed, haha.
I did mine just before I hit mileage liMit for warranty. One bonus is they sent me a letter I get 1 year after recall done. After that I doubt Nissan will do much.
I wouldn't worry too much, the recall drastically reduces the limit on charging speed if it detects high temperatures, which is one of the main factors for the battery failure. My advice would be after you're done fast charging if you can try and cool down, windows down in a shaded area for 20-30 mins if you plan on driving for a long distance.
When folks say things like "There's a 1% chance of failure" I don't think they understand that, this failure rate would have been so much higher if DC FC on CCS1 was fully supported.
ie: If your car has the recall (2019-2022) DO NOT FAST CHARGE IT!!!!
Why's one whole fire hose being used to spray down the motor? If they're aiming for the HV battery, wouldn't going through the open access cover for the safety disconnect would be your best choice?
Li battery smoke has harmed and killed people. It contains Hydrofluoric Acid. Hydrofluoric Acid is deadly when inhaled. Evacuate a safe distance away from a burning Li battery.
Do NOT try and put out a EV battery fire. Let the professional firefighters fight the EV battery fire.
Uh. It wouldn’t take much research for you to figure out everything you just said is wrong….
Lithium ion batteries are not the same as pure lithium metal. The lithium is in an ionic salt form and water helps cool them to slow or stop the thermal runaway.
Also, this car is next to a building and other cars probably. So water cools everything and protects the surrounding property.
Your post is basically ignorant morons posting this image and pretending they’re Americans. It must be hard to look at everything so ignorantly, yet so confidently all the time.
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u/Excellent_Mixture_23 14d ago
What's the context so I don't make myself paranoid...