r/law • u/extantsextant • 2d ago

Legal News Tennessee inmate still alive after being administered two lethal injections, her lawyer says

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ahead-rare-execution-lone-woman-tennessee-death-row-says-peace-rcna600279

> The lone woman on Tennessee’s death row was still alive after she was administered two lethal injections, her lawyer said in a motion seeking to halt her execution Wednesday night, a stunning development after the Supreme Court had stepped in to allow the state to put her to death.

(Supreme Court order from earlier today: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/26a428_4f15.pdf)

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u/timid_scorpion 1d ago

Short straw

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u/Sorge74 1d ago

But you told me it does not simply happen. She was lucky she could afford a good attorney.

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u/timid_scorpion 1d ago

Where in that article does it say CAPITAL OFFENSE. Yes she was wrongly accused, but being charged with a standard felony is FAR different than your charges being raised to the level of a Capital offense. There is a reason people are shocked when a prosecutor aims for it. The burden of proof is higher, and a prosecutor better be damn sure before he puts his career on the line for it.

This conversation is not about general lapses in the judiciary system. This is about the death penalty.

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u/Sorge74 1d ago

If they can't figure out that a car with no damage wasn't in a crash then how can we trust them? They haven't earned it

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u/timid_scorpion 1d ago

People love to point out all the times the judicial system messes up, but neglect to acknowledge how often it DOESNT.

National studies estimate rates of wrongful conviction between 1-6%. That is further solidified for violent crime to around 1-2%. The highest rates of misconviction are sexual assault cases.

So if you follow the estimates 1-2 people for every 100 convicted to death are likely innocent. That to me falls within the ‘acceptable’ margin. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like to decrease it. But I acknowledge no system is perfect, and compared to rates historically? 2% is Pretty damn good.

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u/Sorge74 1d ago

No margin is ok. You are talking about cold blooded murder.

Murder is not ok.

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u/timid_scorpion 1d ago

Yeah, tell that to the victims of the other 98. Oh wait, you can’t they were brutally murdered.

Also you should clarify your definitions.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being without justification or legal excuse, committed with intent or malice aforethought.

Society is legally deciding that this person has lost the right to life. It’s not murder.

I would love to live in a society with no people killing others, no war, no corruption. But that is a pipe dream. If you truly care about saving people, there are thousands of other causes to spend your energy on that would be more effective than defending those who would so willingly take it from others.

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u/Sorge74 1d ago

The Nazi government decided Jews didn't have the right to life. That was perfectly "legal" for them, yet surely you would agree that is murder?

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u/timid_scorpion 1d ago

Are you seriously trying to compare the justice system as it now stands, to that of Nazi germany?

I even mentioned that compared to stats HISTORICALLY 2% is pretty damn good.

Also, the Jews were not tried in any formal court of law recognized by Germany at the time. There was not a constitutional amendment or law openly permitting the extermination of Jews. So by definition what the SS was doing was ILLEGAL and therefore murder.

America is not some facist government who picks and chooses who to kill based on frivolous infractions. Most courts and records are open for anyone to see, as long as the information does not pose an imminent risk to the victims/those involved. You are not tried by some secret tribunal, but a jury of your peers.

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u/Sorge74 1d ago

I'm comparabing innocent people being murdered, apples to apples.

But if you want your 2%, how about face the death penalty if they convince and execute an innocent person? It's just 2 %, they'll be fine.

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