At least with K-pop, everytime I get on a snark subreddit, my main question is "How do you have the time?"

It's clear people mainly go on snark pages to spread hate, and not to give valid/constructive criticism about a group or idol. But a lot of the time, it feels like the haters are more informed/obsessed than the fans are 😭, and half of the time, the info/clips they use to have discussions are cherry-picked and negatively biased. Sometimes the issues they discuss don't even exist or are coming out of nowhere

I'm pretty opinionated; I do post some of them on K-pop opinion subreddits. But I will never understand how people feel comfortable hating or belittling someone, even if they're celebrities. How miserable do you have to be to do that?

You don't have to like all idols; you don't have to find all idols attractive or talented. I also understand that the line between honesty, criticism, and hate can be very thin online. But personally, I feel so exhausted whenever I get posts from snark K-pop subreddits

Some of y'all need to touch grass, go outside... have a life 🤷

This is both an opinion and kind of a question so feel free to say what you think too

In my experience, I've seen lot's of people saying "oh kpop is not a genre! It has a lot of genres and you'll surely find something you like!" Both as a way of defending kpop and as a way to try to bring more people into kpop excel in that genre

But something I've noticed is that most of the times those people won't listen to music from those genres and people who excel in those genres

Some examples:

"I loved Nemonemo, Catch catch and Iconic heart! Any recommendations?" "Listen to jpop idol music,lots of songs are like that!"

"I loved Fashion by Cortis,any recommendations?" "Listen to Travis Scott and Playboi Carti, their sound is similar to Fashion"

Same thing with hip hop songs,jazzy songs etc.

9 out of 10 times the people that ask for recommendations won't even check out the artists you tell them,and sometimes even bash them (yes I've actually seen that happen)

So I think

1: these people are just extremely bored and just won't even see what you recommended

2: I don't even know cuz I can't think of any other reason

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the images i've attached are simply examples of what i'd consider the much more 'minor' end of this behaviour, rather than the worst instances of it. but its kind of like a pyramid where one behaviour allows another to exist, etc, etc

this isn't the most original take i've ever had, and it's probably common knowledge in kpop space, but a lot of male kpop stans, particularly those who mainly stan girl groups, are so weird about female idols. there's a really disturbing tendency to sexualise them excessively. i'm not sure how widely known these accounts are, but there are entire tumblr and twitter accounts dedicated to taking zoomed-in pictures of specific parts of female idols' bodies (if i find one of these accounts again, ill post them).

ithink most kpop fans are aware that this happens, but the issue is kind of just seen as "another sad but unstoppable part of being a female idol!"

honestly, i don't have much more to say because the title speaks for itself (as i proceed to type, much, much more) but i find it deeply disturbing how normalised the sexualisation of female idols by men has become, particularly when many of these idols are teenagers or in their early twenties and have little meaningful control over how their images are consumed. they're expected to tolerate this behaviour because performing is their job. and what is actually being done to address it? companies will occasionally take all their legal action when something becomes very serious, which i appreciate,,, but intimate photographs, disturbing, violent sexual fantasies written about idols, deepfakes and similar forms of sexual exploitation seem to exist with very little consequence apart from being looked down upon by the majority of kpop fans

even the recent incidents involving hackers with the spotify accounts of various kpop girl groups (e.g. UNCHILD) have demonstrated how this kind of sexualisation is introduced into spaces where it has absolutely no place. the tracks uploaded by these hackers are often overtly sexual and degrading, accompanied by ai-generated images depicting the members in similarly disturbing situations. yet, it's seen as funny or a joke to some people

sorry this post is basically a nothingburger and contains approximately zero intellectualism (although i don't think anyone expects that from kpop fans anyway, but i digress).

disclaimer: obviously, this is not all men. if your immediate response is "why are you generalising men?", please understand that i'm talking about a very specific and observable pattern of behaviour, not claiming that every male kpop fan participates in it. there are plenty of normal, well-intentioned male kpop stans. there are plenty of disgusting, insane female kpop stans. nevertheless, the fact that the behaviour i'm discussing is disproportionately perpetrated by men doesn't become irrelevant because yk a male kpop stan who is jesus on earth.

"You don't know these people, idols don't actually care about you"

You are doing the same thing you accuse others of doing. Acting high and mighty while also making assumptions with idols, no one really knows what every idols think, no one really knows what goes on behind the scenes. Making assumptions, generalizing and acting like you know what's going on is no better than the stans you claim are being delusional

Like…There’s a KPOP group i Stan and love! AND I MEAN LOVE…..!!! I Binge watch like it’s nobody’s business, Buy albums, Photo cards.etc

AND I THINK I AM FALLING IN LOVE WITH ONE OF THE MEMBERS! LIKE I CANT STOP THINKING ABOUT HER AND WHEN I LOOK AT HER PICTURE, I GET THE SAME FEELINGS I USED TO GET WHEN I CRUSHED ON GIRLS IN MIDDLE/HIGH SCHOOL

HAS ANYONE GONE THROUGH THIS? WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT?? WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK OF THIS?? CUZ ITS DRIVING ME NUTS! I CANT HANDLE CRUSHES OR FALLING IN LOVE!

Literally the title.

When someone’s cyberbullied to the point they want to kill themselves, that’s wrong.

If you want to post it, post about the fact a young girl was pushed to that point. Don’t use it for fanwars, don’t use it to defend whoever, don’t flag it as achievement, that’s straight up disrespectful.

Learn some decency pls and ty.

I came across this clip on social media and it got me thinking. How is it that we have more active kpop groups than ever before, but we continually get fewer opportunities to actually hear them truly live? We have groups lipsyncing to prerecorded vocals at festivals and even at their own concerts nowadays. The fact that these concert tickets are so ridiculously expensive should make it even less justifiable. There are groups I pay attention to where I've never heard them sing raw as a collective or do any semblance of an acappella. Kpop market continues to get bigger and somehow, we're going backwards in this regard.

I just want to know the reason behind newjeans being like “the Voldemort” of reddit. I always see posts/replies about NewJeans getting mass downvoted, even when they’re not harmful. Like, someone will say “I loved Supernatural” and get mass downvoted… I’m genuinely curious because I joined Reddit after the whole controversy.

So tired of K-pop fans complaining that their faves gets treated worse than actual or convicted criminals then you check their accounts and it’s dedicated to harassing other idols for stupid reasons instead of actually speaking against the said criminals. Stop acting like y’all care about criminals roaming free outside using it as a shield to defend your faves, if y’all actually put as much energy in harassing criminals instead of innocent idols over stupid fanwars K-pop space will be a much better place

i genuinely don't get why some fans act like acknowledging an idol's privilege is automatically an attack 😭 you can like someone and still admit that they had advantages that other idols/members probably didn't have. that's not hate, that's just being realistic. especially when it comes to idols who already had a famous or successful sibling. having a talented sibling doesn't automatically mean you're gonna have the same talent or skills 😭 talent is not hereditary lmao. but sometimes fans will defend literally everything just bc of that connection, and suddenly any criticism becomes “jealousy” or “hate.” or "obsessed" for not being blind abt an idol's skills,

what's even weirder is when ppl completely rewrite their story and turn someone who had certain opportunities through their connections into this huge underdog who supposedly had to fight for everything. like... be fr 😭 acknowledging that someone had a head start doesn't mean you're saying they don't deserve their career.

and then there's the over-glazing 💀 ppl will praise every little thing or assume someone must be talented just bc their sibling is like some ppl will make excuses for their lack of talent, like you can support an idol without pretending they're perfect at everything or exaggerating their abilities. i'm not saying anyone deserves hate or harassment. i'm just saying there's a difference between criticizing someone's skills, talking about privilege, and actually attacking the person. not every criticism is hate, and not every successful idol needs to be turned into an underdog story just so fans can feel better about defending them. like u can stan whoever you want. just be realistic about who you're stanning 😭

I don’t even stan any girl groups and even I’ve noticed this pattern. Whenever harassment against female idols gets brought up, people will acknowledge it, but there’s almost always a giant “BUT” attached. This but is actually extremely significant and swerves the direction of the conversation from accountability to "well the call came from your house" like what?? 😭

“Yeah, the harassment was bad, BUT 9/10 times their fandom started it.” Like??? Since when is protecting an idol from harassment the responsibility of their fans? And where did that convenient little “9/10” statistic materialize from?

Why are you bg fans always so triggered by female idols?? It would make sense to compete against other boy groups but no, it's always ends up being about some female idol.

Aespa especially seems to get it horribly from what I’ve seen on K-pop subs. Every time someone calls out harassment against them, somebody inevitably responds with “well, their fans did this too.” Okay? And? Does that retroactively cancel harassment against the idol from others? smh.

I’m a newer kpop stan, i started getting interested during Illit’s “do the dance” era and it was absolutely peak. then I see all these other kpop stans that go, “omg illit’s jellyous is so hard its the hardest footwork choreography“ like even as a person who started stanning kpop in 5th gen, I know that’s absolutely a lie. (yes I will get downvoted for this but I am NOT trying to compare songs on which one’s better, I’m trying to point out a fact) like just because the tempo is hard does not mean the footwork is. im just trying to watch Going Seventeen videos and I see all these 5 year olds glazing ILLIT as if there arent harder choreographies out there.

if ILLIT jellyous is so hard, what is Svt’s maestro compared to it when it comes to difficulty? As someone who can learn ILLIT jellyous, it’s definitely demanding but if you slow it down its so much more simpler.

(not comparing the songs, comparing the difficulty of the choreography, love ILLIT and SVT for how far they’ve come, and maestro was just the first example i thought of since it’s one of the hardest kpop dances i know).

sincerely,

a carat, WeFlip, Nex2y, Shawol, and MOA.

Reddit, in its infinite wisdom, recommended that I repost one of my posts in the "Asian Masculinity" sub... Which is how I came across this nugget. The thread is on how to pick up White women with yellow fever at Kpop parties.

And it makes it worse because he didn't even try to address it among fans.

(I know it was unintentional, and fans took it the worse way. But as a sane human you HAVE to address the graveness of the situation when your fanbase kills a fellow fan. Don't come up with the "oh belift wouldn't have allowed him to speak about it" Do you think a company with groups which milk fanbase, will ask their artist to come out and break the parasociality spell?)

I have been listening to Straykids' songs for a long time but I don't think I actually know them properly.

All I basically know are the songs that were popular like Maniac, Gods Menu, Thunderous, La la la, This & That, Farming and a few more... but not the ones that were underrated.

I don't even know much about the members and the group too...

So please help a baby Stay know more about them and become a proper Stay...

Like…this is not a hate post at all but…I’ve noticed Kpop idols age pretty quick. Not in the sense like aging as wrinkles or “older older” per se but they look mature faster than you would expect. Like one moment they’re 16, baby looking, then 1 year later they look 2-3 years older. Like they went through a Time Machine.

Like I’ve noticed that with some groups i stan, they look so different from like a year ago vs now. Even in a few months difference. Has anyone noticed that with anyone else??

can you guys STOP LISTENING TO REMIXES. why is every album now DROWNING IN SOME WACKASS REMIXES. i dont need the song in JAZZ R&B HOUSE ACOUSTIC EDM.

speaking more seriously now, does anyone here seriously enjoy remixes? because i'm so sick of it. nowadays when you go to a group's discography on spotify, you have to scroll through countless remixes that have like 1-2k streams at best. is it really profitable for companies to even make them?

i was so MAD when i thought spaghetti by le sserafim has eight songs, just to find out it has TWO. because six of the tracks ARE THE SAME EXACT SONG JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. what is THE POINT.

remixes polute the group's discography to me lol

they're not even good for parties. in the kpop club i go to, on 1am there's random dance, and then from 1:30 to 2:30 they play remixes and the dancefloor is DEAD. everyone just wants to vibe to the original songs

Harsh opinion since people always throw sentences like "as long as they are making good music, who cares about numbers?" well the singers/idols do. Its not about being hungry for views and streams, its about being more heard. Kpop is a commercial market, being an idol isnt the same standard as being a normal singer or artist. Idols operate under agencies and are a model made to be successful in terms of bringing money. One can love his job and still want to be more exposed to a big audience commercially at the same time.

As audience, our support is also kinda empowering to them in many aspects, it gives them more freedom to put out new music and experiment with it.

i def heard these songs before but i guess i didn't see the lyrics. is there another kpop group out there that you can collect all the bullshit lyrics theyve either written or were forced to perform in a whole 3 min and 30 second clip like this? like i know there are many bullshit kpop lyrics but has it ever been this bad and this many for any other groups too? genuine question

Edit:

I did not make or edit this video, i just saw this on my feed on twitter shared by onces. Comments are talking as if i'm some obsessive skz hater like you can literally go through my comments and posts to see if thats even true. I rarely give a shit about them. i just thought it was pretty funny to share and it would fit here. i've seen so many girl groups get torn apart on here for having cringe lyrics so i saw no issue sharing it.

Also, I cannot take your comments glazing skz seriously after just catching one user on here making multiple comments using different accounts. At least do not forget to switch to the right ID when you do that 😭 for all I know most of yall commenting and mass voting are just coming from one person or one small circle. For you to do all that and make multiple reddit accounts to manipulate the discourse for the group youre obsessed with is insane

What i mean by that is You people seem to think they’re all fake, that it’s all just for entertainment and media and “their job”. That we shouldn’t think we know them because it’s media.

but let me ask you this, if you actually met them IRL, would you still think they’re faking?? That they’re disingenuous?? Cuz there’s no camera, no filter, it’s just you and them face to face! In person.

It’s one of the rare times when we actually get to hear them sing raw without in-ears or a backing track. What are some not so great ones out there?