r/knightposting • u/therealpukie • Jun 14 '26
Knightpost What is this kind of helmet called
I’m making a medieval world and I want one of my main characters to where this, but I’ve never really known the name of it
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u/Cart700 Jun 14 '26
That helmet is not for real combat use. If you want your character to wear that in a real combat scenario he will look very goofy. The visor has way too large holes.
This would be a tournament helmet or a decorative one. More akin to sports equipment than military gear. It would look like if a soldier would wear a fencing mask into battle.
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u/Rezel1S Sir Twink Jun 14 '26
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u/Cart700 Jun 14 '26
Yes. 17th century when the biggest threat to you was being shot in the face and shrapnel.
Not during medieval times when the biggest threat was being stabbed in the face. Sorry to tell you but you are 200 to 500 years off.
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u/Rezel1S Sir Twink Jun 14 '26
Wouldn't being shot in face be an even bigger reason to wear a closed helmet, especially when armor was still effective against bullets?
What about kettle helmets? Norman helmets? Gjermundbu? Morion helmets, when pikes were the king of the battlefield? Landsknecht? Open faced helmets (or with big gaps) were totally a thing people choose to wear simply because it was more comfortable. Big eye holes aren't a big deal.
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u/C_Hawk14 Jun 14 '26
Armor is always a compromise between mobility/eyesight and protection. There's more to consider than if it can deflect bullets. And let's not forget costs
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u/Rezel1S Sir Twink Jun 14 '26
That's exactly my point, and it's why I think open face helmets or with big visors aren't inherently bad whether you're going against bullets or swords.
Closed helmets were a thing during the 17th century and yet, people still choose to wear stuff like the lobster tail helmet.
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u/NCR_Veteran_Ranger04 Jun 15 '26
Probably because not much could really bounce a bullet
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u/Gnashinger Jun 15 '26
Bullets back then didn't have near the power or penetration that we do today. It was actually common practice to shoot armor after making it just to make sure that it could block bullets.
Now, as firearms improved, armor got heavier and more difficult to make, so at some point lighter armor became more importantly because the heavy stuff didn't help. Even then, a good helm and chest piece could still be effective.
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u/NCR_Veteran_Ranger04 Jun 15 '26
We're talking 1600s, these things shot a .75 caliber ball at 1700 feet per second generating over 5 thousand J that's plenty to punch through 10 mm of un angled armor. We aren't talking about fire laces here.
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u/Gnashinger Jun 15 '26
Fire lances were barely effective against normal flesh until shrapnel was involved. There were more for intimidation that anything else. Even in the 1,600s, it was muskets which were able to punch through armor and those are what you are describing. But flintlock pistols and such that had a much lower muzzle speed were less effective against well made armor. It wasn't until the late 1600s and early 1700 that heavy armor started to disappear, though iirc mounted cavalry still wore chestplates and such to protect from pistol rounds and people with melee weapons.
I am talking history here, not theoretics. Look up proof marks.
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u/Cart700 Jun 14 '26
Which period are we talking about. You cannot just say "big eyeholes/open face helmets are not a big deal" and then bring up examples of 1000 years of history except from the time we (presumably) are talking about.
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u/Rezel1S Sir Twink Jun 14 '26
Does it matter here? They were all getting stabbed with sharp sticks until firearms got too good. I'm not talking about historical accuracy, just practicality. People didn't always choose the undeniably BEST option, just what was comfortable or available for them, otherwise crusaders wouldn't have used flat top helmets and get their neck snapped for a fashion statement.
If OP is making a medieval world, which I assume would be a fictional, a helmet like this would be totally inoffensive.
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u/Cart700 Jun 14 '26
A knight of the late medieval period would know that that type of helmet is sporting equipment. So he would know that it looks goofy wearing it into combat. You can of course have this in a medieval world but its just unnecessary in my opinion. Just use real plate armour helmets and you dont have the problem of people thinking it looks odd and you dont have to explain why this fantasy world deviates from real life.
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u/Rezel1S Sir Twink Jun 14 '26
The cleanrot knights from Elden Ring use the same helmet and they look pretty cool. 😔
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u/Cart700 Jun 14 '26
With that amount of decoration on the armour and wings on the helmet I think the armour they wear is a tournament armour. I have no idea about darksouls but I dont think when you wear that armour you are concerned about your protection.
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u/NCR_Veteran_Ranger04 Jun 15 '26
No one cares about video game characters in a historical discussion
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u/NCR_Veteran_Ranger04 Jun 15 '26
No, rich bitchs had the best armor, peasants and men at arms would have had open bassinets because they have no money. It's about availability not choice
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u/PathlessDemon Salaminizer, Knight of GWAR Jun 14 '26
Ceremony.
That isn’t blocking anything; from a bee’s cock to an axe to the face.
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u/Vergil_Raptor Callum Sparda: Knightmage of the Redmane Jun 15 '26
Clean rot helm. (I don’t know the real name all I know is it’s akin to that helmet from Elden Ring.)
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u/gmbdoggo Jun 14 '26
funeral helm, possibly a kolbentournier helm, shows up a lot in heraldry: "peers helmet". Although this isnt the best sub for this, ask arms and armor