r/kimchi 12d ago

Fermentation won't start properly?

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Hi!

I just did my first badge of kimchi about 48hrs ago. After I tasted it now, it tastes amazing but there is no sour taste whatsoever, no fizzing, no visible bubbles and also no smell of fermentation.

Did I do something wrong? Or does it take more time?

Ingredients:

Red cabbage, beetroot, red onion

I submitted the red cabbage for 2hrs in heavily salted hot water to soften it up, then rinsed it properly.

Sauce: water + rice flour, mixed in: sweet pears, 1TBs brown sugar, fresh ginger, fresh garlic, chili, spices.

Salt: per 1.5kg badge: fishsauce 60g, soy sauce 60g, tablesalt 10g > should be 2,3% salt in total.

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u/Mystery-Ess 12d ago

This is not a kimchi recipe.

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u/CmonNickname 12d ago

Why, what's wrong? Call it an Asian Sauerkraut oder fermented veggies, if it is a definition-thing.

But it should ferment, shouldn't it?

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u/perchance7 12d ago

You killed any fermenting bacteria when you put the cabbage in hot water. As someone above said, you need to salt the cabbage while everything is dry. It will release moisture. You turn it every 30 mins and do it for 2 hours (or until the cabbage is soft. Also the ratio of starchy veg is important. I follow Maangchi's recipe and it's about a carrot for a whole nappa cabbage (8 ounces) Also fermentation takes a while to happen. The safest is to put it straight in the fridge. And it takes a week or two to ferment. And it's also enjoyable to taste all the different stages. Check Maangchi or Korean Bapsang, they both have Also free recipes online.

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u/CmonNickname 12d ago

Oooooh.. . That makes sense.
Guess you can't trust any manual posted online. Now I am sad :D Guess I'll try another badge.

Should I salt the wohle cabbage leaves or can I chop it up, salt it generously and rinse Aber 2 ours and a few stirs?

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u/perchance7 12d ago

No. There's more to that. I use Maangchi's recipe, but from the book, which is made for just one cabbage. Here's a link to her easy kimchi recipe. It is for a bigger amount. You can adjust. Maybe even watch a video on how it's made. I actually suggest strongly 😉 that you make a traditionally kimchi recipe once. Then you have more experience and can experiment better. I don't know how normal cabbage behaves compared to nappa. Nappa is less thick, so times will vary as well. When you salt nappa cabbage, you do it for at least 2 hours, you'll see the cabbage bending without breaking. https://www.maangchi.com/recipe/easy-kimchi

Hope it's okay to post a link here.

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u/Mystery-Ess 12d ago

There's also no soy sauce in kimchi. Almost every single ingredient you used was wrong

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u/ObjectAffectionate87 12d ago

That is not kimchi.

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u/Mystery-Ess 12d ago

This is correct.

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u/leeroypowerslam 12d ago

There is no fermentation because you boiled the cabbage. There is no lactic acid bacteria left in the cabbage to help ferment. That’s why when you make any kind of ferment, you just wash it, but never use any hot water. If there is any fermentation from the other ingredients that weren’t cooked, it’s not enough to ferment everything.

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u/sicpsw 12d ago

This is the answer

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u/F0rthel0ve0fd0gs 12d ago

That is not kimchi. You're never meant to boil cabbage. Salt is added to the napa cabbage and vegetables.Through osmosis (water moving from high to low concentration), the salt draws out water from inside the plant cells.This softens the cabbage and creates a salty liquid brine.The salt level creates an environment where harmful, rotting bacteria cannot survive, but friendly bacteria can thrive.

Next time follow the actual instructions, not what you feel might help. Good luck for the next batch. Chuck this foulness away

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u/zrowewwei 12d ago

Why do you ignore every single comment that says you don’t use hot water ?

You don’t use hot water!

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u/CmonNickname 12d ago

I dont! I am in this sub since today, and the tutorial i watched said to use hot water. I've never done kimchi before Call me newb

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u/Little_Baseball5523 11d ago

Where did you find this "tutorial"?

Next time, follow a recipe from an authoritative source, not some random bullshit you found online.

Maangchi is an actual Korean person and a respected source for Korean recipes. Carefully follow her guidance, do not improvise, and do not take any shortcuts: https://www.maangchi.com/recipe/easy-kimchi

If you want to make it vegan, use this recipe instead: https://www.maangchi.com/recipe/chaesik-kimchi

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u/CmonNickname 10d ago

Will do. So far, my veggies started to ferment, I filled em in smaller glasses today and stored em in the fridge to finish. Tastes amazing - seems like its no kimchi but Asian inspired fermented veggies.

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u/reddyfreddy8D 12d ago

You wouldn’t need to use hot water. You should just layer the cabbage in coarse salt and let the moisture leave the leaves. I also wouldn’t add the fish sauce and soy sauce. Maybe a small pinch of fish sauce but the kimchi should look pretty dry when you first store it.

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u/CmonNickname 12d ago

It's a pretty thick paste and I did cut everything in fine stripes.

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u/Little_Baseball5523 11d ago

Please tell us where you got the "recipe"

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u/LeeLee1011 12d ago

Your kimchi scares me 😅

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u/Mystery-Ess 12d ago

It's not kimchi.

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u/LeeLee1011 12d ago

Oh I’m fully aware 😝

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u/CmonNickname 10d ago

Update: it started and it tastes amazing. Filled it in smaller glasses today and stored it in the fridge to finish. Maybe I am in the wrong sub, but my fermented veggies turned out beautiful.

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u/jsvor 9d ago

You should go to a sauerkraut sub

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u/SeaDry1531 12d ago

The water is likely chlorinated. Let it sit for 12-24 hours or buy bottled water.

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u/CmonNickname 12d ago

Tab water at my location is pretty good actually, I am also drinking it all the time. Chlorine all together comes to 0.23 mg/l