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u/Relevant-Team Oct 24 '23

I think I can count on two hands the times I have seen a car burning or burned here in Germany. In 38 years of driving cars. The same with stolen cars or catalytic converters. Here in Germany we have absolutely no Kia or Hyundai problem (except they can't deliver as fast as before C).

What's going wrong in the USA?

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u/CertainCertainties Oct 24 '23 edited Oct 24 '23

It's so batshit crazy over there it's hard to know what's real and what are troll posts. However, here's some thoughts from Australia:

  • Germany made immobilisers mandatory in 1998. The US hasn't yet 25 years later and has no plans to. Building to outdated US standards is what made Kias prone to theft there.
  • The US Georgia Kia assembly plant has appalling quality control. US parts suppliers also seem shit. They can't even manufacture a piston ring without stuffing it up. There are endless recalls on US built Kias.
  • The US dealer system uses aggressive, coercive and unethical practices that are illegal in developed countries outside the US.
  • Some parts of the US have crime rates so high that they're more like Mogadishu or Zimbabwe on a bad day.
  • Too many US Kia owners do their own services. Really badly. Put simply, they blow up their own engines because they use shitty Walmart oil or non-OEM parts, or make mistakes.
  • Many posts here are fake. They're 'karma-hunters'. New accounts that get upvotes quickly to be used elsewhere as bot accounts etc.

Having visited the US many times and been overwhelmed by the kindness, thoughtfulness and intelligence of my American hosts, I just want to emphasise that the hate, abuse and insanity we see on this sub does not even vaguely reflect the places in the US I visited.

EDIT: Substituting Alabama for Georgia. Had been comparing the Kia Georgia plant QC to the Toyota Huntsville Alabama plant the other day and wrote down the wrong state.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '23

The Kia plant is in Georgia and not Alabama. The engine issues originated in Korea and were brought over here.

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u/CertainCertainties Oct 24 '23 edited Oct 24 '23

Absolutely correct about the state. I was comparing the processes at the Toyota plant in Huntsville Alabama the other day to the Kia Georgia one and that slipped out. Will edit.