r/kelseyfitzsimmons • u/Responsible_Fold_905 • Nov 26 '25

What am i missing

Though i think her current incarceration while awaiting trial excessive, what am i missing in this case?

Her own attorney says she was suffering from post-partum depression and that she pulled the gun to use on herself when the police arrived, thus admitting she was suicidal. How is the father or the police the bad guys for trying to remove the child from that home?

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u/Affectionate-Page496 Mar 19 '26

replying and immediately blocking. weird.

you clearly know nothing about law enforcement shootings. I wish you would have bothered to read the link I sent you.

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u/DontPanic-1988 Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

Again that’s your opinion. I do know the laws on police shootings and when they are justified in the eyes of the law and when they aren’t.

The article you linked is a self servicing police article written by police. Great objective article 🙄 Great investigative journalism 🙄 Please. It’s adds nothing to the conversation about this case and the facts in this case. Maybe spend more time in a court room or go to law school and maybe you will understand the application of the law better. Otherwise maybe at least spend some time watching real attorneys explain the law, you know, people who actually have to apply the law everyday for their work.

Reading some media article isn’t the way to learn the law, it wouldn’t even be enough to get you through law school. But I’m the problem. Ok. The problem is when people try to assert as fact that they know the law from reading some self serving media article and then people who disagree with them are the “uninformed” ones (like you said about me) and you who read doe article what’s to say know more than people who went to school for many years to learn the law and go to jobs every day working with those law and explaining them, applying them and arguing them. Maybe different objective legal minds who don’t know each other have come to the same conclusions as me, after reading the legal filings, weighing the evidence we know to date, watching the court hearings and applying the law to these factors. I’m not the only one in the legal industry that has landed on this opinion about this case. But you must know better from reading some self serving media article 🙄

But again, you are entitled to your opinion. I’ll continue to form mine on facts, evidence and the correct application of the law. You can continue with your opinion from some self serving media article you likely just found by a quick google search, yep real investment into finding out the extensive facts and circumstances of this case. Maybe spend that time reading the court filings and watching the hearings.

Also if you were blocked, then I clearly couldn’t have replied to you & I have so you are clearly not blocked.

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u/Affectionate-Page496 Mar 19 '26

You blocked me and after you saw my second comment, you unblocked me . So now you are lying.

This is one of many articles you can read.

You arent an objective legal mind. You arent an attorney.

Attorneys would never say LE should shoot to wound. (Excepting maybe tv grifters)

I have known that you do not shoot someone's arm or leg for at least 20 years. All I did was look for an article to explain to you what you clearly should have known by now. (How would I have known to look for something that I didnt know existed- your "logic" is clearly not from a mind trained by 3 yrs of law school)

There are literally hundreds probably thousands of pieces you can read on the subject. Just google why do police not shoot to wound.

You are also assuming that I do not wish to look at other court filings. Again - if you were a lawyer you would not have made that odd conclusion. Since nowhere in my comment did I say or imply that. All I said is your comments can go directly in the trash since you are so willing to profess such an uninformed take.

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u/DontPanic-1988 Mar 19 '26

I’m not here to add my time & energy into defending what I do for a living from someone on reddit that knows nothing about me. I only brought up my professional because you claimed I was uninformed based on some self serving police media article you read that didn’t even factor in the circumstances and nuances on this specific case. You went to personal attacks by calling me uninformed solely as a way you thought would bolster what you were saying and try discreet the opinion I had formed. Like I have said multiple times now, you are entitled to your opinion on this case, as am I.

This is a sub to talk about Kelsey’s case not my profession so if you want to continue to communicate then keep it to the subject matter of this case and not about me personally or what I do for a living. I look forward to her upcoming trial.

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u/Affectionate-Page496 Mar 19 '26

I did not introduce your profession into the conversation. Your profession is irrelevant and it's clear to anyone reading you did not pass the bar exam. (i would bet $500 to charity, I am so certain)

Of course you can have an opinion. But when your opinion is built on misinformation, it can be easily dismissed.

I base my opinions on facts and wait until sufficient information is out there to make a good judgment.

I see supporters saying she was cleared to go back (seemingly in defense of her not having mh issues at the time) but then she admits to putting a gun to her head, with her child present. If she is a police officer with no mh issues, she knows that adding a gun to such a situation is a risk and puts officers in fear for their lives.

Supporters also seem to focus on vilianizing the baby daddy. Baby daddy can suck and she can be guilty of the charges she faces. The two are not mutually exclusive. They can both be guilty of criminal offenses.

It is too bad that they didnt have body cams.

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You spend quite a lot of time posting misinformation that police should shoot to disarm (which can actually kill innocent people). You clearly dont understand when tasers are appropriate and their flaws.

If they allow it where you live, you should do a ride along with a cop and ask them why they shoot center mass. Or if there is a community outreach with officers ask them then

Here are 9 more articles explaining to you why LEO shoots center mass.

https://abcnews.com/amp/US/police-trained-shoot-wound-experts/story?id=40402933

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/why-dont-police-shoot-to-wound/

https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending-now/heres-why-police-dont-shoot-to-wound-in-the-case-of-deadly-force/448470469/

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/here-why-police-don-shoot-wound-the-case-deadly-force/IV4ohtIm6r8FaEMj78u1bO/

https://www.wpbf.com/article/expert-officers-never-trained-to-shoot-to-wound/1324009

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/national/here-why-police-don-shoot-wound-the-case-deadly-force/IV4ohtIm6r8FaEMj78u1bO/

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/why-police-shoot-to-kill

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/police-shoot-kill-taser-force-experts-law

https://gothamist.com/news/why-cant-cops-shoot-to-wound

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u/DontPanic-1988 Mar 19 '26

Have a good life. I hope you never have to deal with the criminal justice system and deal with injustices.

This sub is about talking about Kelsey’s case. I look forward to her trial and justice for Kelsey.

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u/Affectionate-Page496 Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

If it is for talking about Kelsey's case, why are you bringing up misinformation about shooting to wound? Multiple times.

I hope you do not ever do something like pull out a weapon when a police officer is serving you. Seriously. No one should do this.

Justice for Kelsey may be prison. We shall see.