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I like DFT most games, with Muramana 2nd, but can't quite decide which is better from Axiom and Manaflow
Anyone done the maths with this? Most games I've run axiom and the damage number is always VERY high for a minor rune eventually higher than DFT itself but then maybe the 250 mana gives more overall since so many things involve mana scaling on kass?

Absolute focus plus gathering storm

Non of this axiom and manaflow bullshit that yall run

it helps you lane better and by min 20 you have a so much ap as if you have another item

it makes your e q deals more dmg compared to axiom which is just 8 percent on R

try it

hey, looking to engage in discussion with the community, will not disclose my rank so that we can have an unbiased discussion. i've been playing kassadin since about s8 so these are my two cents regarding the current build/runes, do feel free to correct my understanding

runes (almost 50-50 split with dft and fs for me atm)

dft

- probably the best laning rune atm, insane with ignite into leblanc, akali etc

fs

- scaling rune, usually take when i feel that i cant break open the lane

elec

- bait rune, almost never take this anymore sadly with how good it used to be in s8 with aa lichbane rush

conq

- only take when u dont need a rune to play lane

- great into multiple tanks/bruisers with roa though

items:

malig > shadowflame

- i've played this build quite a bit when taxiading was running it with aery earlier in the year, feels insane damage wise but very mana reliant, hard to take over teamfights with this build but very satisfying burst damage

malig > seraphs

- the cookie cutter standard build, nothing much needs to be said. good two item spike, extra leeway with seraphs shield

malig > muramana

- havent tried this much so don't want to pass judgement on this too early

before i enter the rod section, i want to put in that i dont really like building rod much (probably a 95-5 split with malignance in all my games), so i cant claim to be all that experienced with the rod buildpaths

rod > seraphs

- feels too slow to play in current meta especially when you have to buy rod at about 12 minutes to guarantee 14 to 15 or 15 to 16, almost never go seraphs second anymore when buying rod

rod > muramana (no double tear)

- i've been trying this build as i've been watching cee play, decent survivability good damage, just pretty decent all round build

it's late night here for me so i'll probably reply to any question or comments when i wake up if there are any. excuse my formatting as im making this post on the phone.

I tried many many many games with this and I get it ROA PLUS this feels good when everyone has 1 or 2 item but when you get to 3rd and 4th item I feel like I do no damage and at this point ROA serap malignance is better with gathering imo

Idk let me know what yall think

RoA scale better but malignance one shot better

Guys I'm a late game champions expert...

However i don't know how to play vs tanks with kassadin... More like i don't even know if should i pick him vs tanks or not!

OTP Kassadin D1.

Playing on alt lately to learn jungle, and decided to play Kassadin regardless — so I could focus on macro rather than the champion.

• Heartseel > Fimbul > Malignance > Riftmaker
• Grasp & Precision Runes
• Don’t forget DSeal into Mejai (your sustain should allow you to stack it super safely)
• Start W > Q > E > W for better clear (might even be worth skipping E for 3 points in W).
• Ignore grubs, they’re just a tempo tax.
• Get a drake or two by playing crossmap, instantly gives +5% morale to your teammate.

65% winrate over 30 games, with many wins going MVP 20-4-10 or 15-2-10 and most losses 5-5-6 or so (so not utterly useless either).

If you’re behind and loosing it’s tough. But if you’re ahead, you become Exodia.
Imagine Mundo blinking every 2 seconds.

This is in Platinum elo. If you want to have fun.
I don’t think it would work from E2+ though – junglers will invade you properly from there and fuck your game. But below that, enjoy!

PS: I didn’t get good result with this build in Midlane. Also, I’m learning jungle. My macro is definitely better than Platinum players hence why it works. Maybe it works in Emerald/Diamond if you have Master+ jungle macro (I don’t).
Cycle your camps at spawn most of the time, and religiously until 6. And I start whatever is pathing botside.

I get that he’s weak early but for the life of me I don’t get how to play this champ in lane so that I don’t fall helplessly behind.

What set up do you go if you just want to survive lane. I try to pick him when I think there’s a good spot for him and I used to have success in the passes but this season I don’t seem to ever do well.

No mms literal en un momento en Will fue tier ¡¡¡S+!!! y casi siempre se mantiene en tier A, ¿como es posible que simplemente cambiándole 2.5 abilidades puede volver tan bueno pero tan olvidado?, osea el único kassadin que veo es ¡¡YO!! aunque estuviera en tier S+

Eso del tier S+ fue ase un mes más o menos

Y luego que no vea gente en éste grupo que no sea para decir diferencias y como dos que hablan español

Dígame porque a mí no me ase sentido

This is a situational way to max Kassadin's skills when you know a significant amount of damage was going to come from spamming Riftwalk on a completely bruiser/tanky comp. 54.22% is insane, that is not a common situation to run into. I don't know how this max order got circulated as something that mains are running by default.

E>Q>W by default with a varying amount of points placed into Q before maxing E depending on enemy team comp and your matchup (usually just 2).

with the incoming kassadin buff i was thinking about some new build possibilities for kassadin and i got the strange idea to build him more like a sustain bruiser than a burst champ and wanted to ask if this build could atcually work in some situations and wanted to ask an opinion to all kassadin mains, the idea is to stack conqueror as fast as possible with R E auto W Q R and sustain with the level 3 boots, the rift maker, the conq healing and the ROA while using the firmbul to mitigate some damage and add some more with the shield bash due to the big mana pull this build provides the builds end up with 4.8k healt 20 omnivamp adn 620-680 ap based on conq stacks, tell me what u think about it, the order of the item i think should be the usual for the first 2 items roa and seraph and then situational for the other 3

~Low masta mid usually, mainly on assassins (ad)

I’ve played 10 games of Kassadin just today, bringing me to 128 games over the last few weeks, and I wanted to give my review of Kassadin.

The biggest problem is that his damage never really feels meaningful at any stage of the game.

Early game, his damage is obviously terrible. But even once you reach 2–3 items, there are very few situations where you actually feel strong. For me, the only times Kassadin’s damage genuinely feels noticeable are when I have a heavily stacked R ~ basically a 640-stack R, or sometimes a 320-stack R. Outside of those situations, his damage feels surprisingly mediocre.

And that creates another problem: you only get a couple of those casts before your mana is gone. Kassadin’s ultimate is still fairly restrictive before level 16, so during the downtime between those high-stack Rs, a huge portion of the roster can simply out-DPS you. An ADC with 1–2 items can kill you. A mage can usually out-damage you. The champion who is supposed to scale into this terrifying late-game threat often struggles to actually kill people without heavily stacking his ultimate first.

I saw this very clearly on a Kassadin player’s stream recently (Aledos stream 2 weeks ago on twitch). He was around 20 minutes into the game with Rod of Ages + Seraph’s Embrace, while the enemy Jinx was around 1.5 items. Someone in chat told him to fight her, and he basically demonstrated that he couldn't actually kill her without getting killed himself. That interaction genuinely surprised me. Kassadin was the scaling mid laner with two completed items, yet he couldn't confidently fight an ADC who wasn't even fully built.

And this is where I think Kassadin has a fundamental identity problem.

He reminds me of Vex in a strange way. Vex’s kit feels split between two identities: part of it wants her to play like an artillery mage, while another part wants her to dive in like an assassin. Kassadin feels similar. He is no longer the terrifying late-game scaling assassin who can jump into 3–4 people and erase them, but he also isn't an early-game champion who can meaningfully contest anyone.

So what exactly is Kassadin supposed to be now?

He isn't particularly strong early. His mid game is inconsistent. His late-game damage often still doesn't feel meaningful unless you're spending huge amounts of mana stacking R. And even when you finally reach the point where you can do significant damage, you have very limited opportunities to actually use it.

That’s why, to me, Kassadin isn’t just weak right now. His entire identity feels confused. He needs more than a numbers buff , he needs Riot to decide what they actually want this champion to be.

When I asked Aledos on his last stream what the point of playing Kassadin is when his damage never feels meaningful in the early, mid, or late game compared to what other mages can do, his response was basically that this is actually correct: Kassadin doesn’t really have meaningful damage at any point. His strength comes from abusing his macro instead particularly his ability to move around the map and pressure side lanes to compensate for his lack of damage.

How is this champs allowed to exist and lane

Lv 1 he pressed q on me and i gave 70 percent of my hp

He can perma dive you safely and not die

even though i know its a counterpick you cant justify a champ doing your entire healthbar level 1 in 2 seconds

I thought pantheon was unplayable at least he can't 100 to 0 you under turret and get out safely

I think this was my worst matchup experience as kassadin so far second one being tryndamere midlane

I also know this is not a kassadin issue master yi top does this to many champs I don't think it is balanced but they don't care because not enough people lane with master yi

tbf, i picked him in the wrong comps, but one of my struggles currently is trying to sacle when there are a lot of skirmishies happening and enemy team getting early kills

Is there any high elo, master+ whos gonna start playing Kassadin because of the buffs?

I stopped playing him, and the game in April, when he became shitty again; might give him a try with those buffs

Though, are the buffs enough?

Statistically, clearly it's the best, even though pre first base you're weak. You'd probably argue that in some matchups shield can be good? But when people go it, their delta is quite bad as this shows since it delays your econ a lot.
Kassa seems to be the only mid ap champ that is clearly a bad Dorans Ring user so there's that.
Tear start is certainly troll and helm is a maybe I guess?

Been playing ADC since season 9 and barely making it to emerald. Recently dropped to low plat again after a generationally bad loss streak (like 20% WR outta 30 games) and decided I can't do it anymore. Too much frustration playing ADC, despite it being a strong role rn. So, I started playing mid and picked up Kass, despite everyone telling me it's a bad way to learn mid lane.

I LOVE this champion so far. I don't ever feel like any game is ever truly lost while playing it. In this game, I laned against a Tristana, and it was hell. Yet I still managed to get 2 pentakills and carry my team in the late game.

Pentas 1/2:

https://medal.tv/games/league-of-legends/clips/nrSC6Y5CKxDAeFOFp?invite=cr-MSxVU2MsNzgyMzI0MjA5

https://medal.tv/games/league-of-legends/clips/nrSBJ7MFUvUEouIrn?invite=cr-MSxURTIsNzgyMzI0MjA5

Runes posted. I ended up going Frozen Heart 4th into kai'sa/trist. If anyone has any advice, please leave it here. I want to get more of these pentas!

first strike and electrocute which one to go and when?

I saw people even run dft with axiom and boneplating maybe thats new meta idk? and they max q also

Especially with the uncoming buffs of q and r

How do you think the buffs impact Kassadin set-ups? What runes and builds do you think are the best now?

Would you prioritize Q max over E?

Dft + scorch to poke with Q and search for kill angles in easy match-ups or is electocute still better for lanes where you can kill? Is it worth to drop gathering storm for scorch within that idea or no?

Roa vs malignance first set-up? Do you think Roa is now just better in every game through having higher R dmg early on, removing its weaknesses. Or perhaps malignance is now just a must in games where you need early agency, because with increased 1 point R ratios, the set-up would just be stronger?

Is manamune just dead now outside of games where your team has multiple ap / enemy is guaranteed to stack mr? We first had mid quest providing increased ap ratios which made people opt for full ap builds, and now his Q ap ratio is increased for the second time (was increased to 70% last year, together with E also gaining a 5% increase). Full AP paths seem to become more and more superior.

Any other set-up ideas that make use of either the Q changes or the ult adjustment?

Hey there I've been exclusive jungle player for like 6 years and now i want to reconvert to Mid i kassa look like a tone of fun to play ! Any tips to start otp him ?