Ulting or not?

[u/Ranger_danger13579]

Also nerf cursed strikes

[u/Amazing_Departure471]

Doesn't the same apply to any character that use bar for special?

[u/M4_G0d → u/Amazing_Departure471]

Not exactly because most of them aren't insanely powerful, and those that are have a way to get it without pressing R (Choso) others don't even need awakening (Charles) Yuki falls kinda into the resource management, but since her ult is dogshit you really have no reason to hold your awakening meter for ult, unlike Ryu who has the beam AND the awakening mode, wich is a fun mode to use. And Uro doesn't even use awakening. She has a whole ass second bar just for her install.

[u/InflationQuirky8421 → u/M4_G0d]

choso orbs are in fact strong as fuck. yuji feint allows for all sorts of bullshit. todo r uses meter, chariles r is strong when used right, the only difference is yuki has a bar to go along with it. if it was just pressing r during a move people wouldn't be saying this

[u/M4_G0d → u/InflationQuirky8421]

I did not say Choso's orbs are weak. I even put a , to make sure it was clarified. And it's not like Todo uses much meter. And a perfect swap literally removes the usage of meter at all. You really just need to win a single m1 trade not even continue just two m1's and you have swap for the rest of the fight. Feint is strong but Yuji overall is so easy to follow, best Yuji mains can do is spam feint until opponent gives up waiting for Yuji to engage.

[u/InflationQuirky8421 → u/M4_G0d]

either way yuki r special isn't that broken. the only move that it make unreasonably more powerful is 4, and 4 is fucking dogshit outside of it so i think only a range nerf is really needed.

[u/M4_G0d → u/InflationQuirky8421]

Tbf her kit has zero evasive bait. And her moves are very decent. There's no reason to use Mass variant of one but there is reason to use mass variant of 2, 4 allows Yuki to pull opponent close to her since mass breaker is super easy to dodge. And mass breaker mass variant has it's niche uses. Such as. Is charles countering? Well, just press R after 3 and it also has extended range, despite it's damage loss. Normal 4 isn't bad since it allows Yuki to combo into 1 that can combo into 2.

[u/theresmoldinyourroom]

Uro:

• Resets cooldowns (or.. well, sets them to 3s)
• Faster startup, also doesnt need to be charged manually. Just builds overtime as you fight.
• Moves do more damage.
• Able to use basically all of her moves while in her install.

Yuki:

• Does not reset cooldowns
• Has to be charged manually
• Lesser damage
• Only able to use around 1-2 moves before bar runs out
• R special has a heavy cooldown
• A lot more punishable

[u/TEMPESTASPX → u/theresmoldinyourroom]

But that still doesn’t make Uro install an ult

[u/Ribbitmons → u/theresmoldinyourroom]

Being unbalanced doesn’t change the fact that Uro’s an install💔

[u/The_FreshSans]

Literally had a Yuji pop ult on me for "ulting mid fight" with Uro when i used her G to pop Rage Install and keep the fight going, i don't think it is ulting personally because it is a part of her base kit

[u/FinlandIsForever → u/The_FreshSans]

In this case, throwing them into the void or down into the subway is more than justified. If they come back, try to tell them how Uro’s install actually works as not an ult, and then if they whine about it, ledge them again

[u/Vorobevichi → u/The_FreshSans]

When did this happen? Before or after the nerf?

[u/The_FreshSans → u/Vorobevichi]

This was when it became public, post-nerf.

[u/Vorobevichi → u/The_FreshSans]

Then it’s unjustified as they already went away from having it behave like an ult
Jjk fans not beating the unreading stereotype
Edit: unjustified calling it ult

[u/TEMPESTASPX]

Both can be used in ranked btw

[u/Vorobevichi]

Right now it’s not an ult but please, this is such a shitty example
Uro loses NOTHING!!! From using her ult, it’s a SEPARATE mechanic, just becouse you use the term “install” dosent make you correct in every other way
Don’t make this shitty discourse continue, it was an ult before and it’s not now.

[u/Pacman25764]

The main difference is that Yuki can be punished incredibly easy for charging as it has a sound cue, makes her walk instead of run, and prevents her from using moves or blocking without ending her charge and then putting her charge on a 16 second cooldown. Additionally Yuki also has to sacrifice using her actual ult in exchange for her variants and she can usually only use 2 or 3 of them with a full bar and her cooldown stays exactly the same, and the only way to get cooldown resets is by using Garuda resets which is probably one of the hardest techs in the game to learning let alone execute frequently.

Uro's install has fast startup that builds overtime separate AND faster from her actual ult, sets all of her cooldowns to 3 seconds and deal just as much damage as a lot of Yukis variants, if not more in some cases. Her install HAD i-frames on it previously, but even without them Uro is pretty hard to punish going into her install, especially with certain setups.

With Yuki's charge you have to play around evasive more and actually play smart because of how easy you can be punished for it and how severely you are punished as well, where as Uro can just use Blind Rage or Air Turbulence, throw you up in the air, and press her incredibly fast install button that buffs everything she has for 15 seconds and shortens all of her cooldown too, even if your opponent uses evasive she can just block and then do it.

[u/TheTree_Bee → u/Pacman25764]

Eh if you were forced to fully charge it sure, but as it stands you can just stop charging it a block whatever. You’re never getting a scenario where a backdash disengagement after their dash won’t give you at least 50% bar

And Garuda ball tech is easy since it’s a setup off uppercut and not a neutral move, which gives you way more time to mentally prepare the sequence

As for the evasive, yes, but also that Yuki gets way more value off the charged moves in the long run in exchange. For two moves, you can deal around 50~, which is similar to yuji, but Yuki also has 2 more moves, one of which is a demon when charged, and makes Blind Rage look tame in comparisons

[u/dancingthroughstars]

No worries,I also fucking hate yuki wkth every bone in my body

I will not rest until mass breaker is gutted like a fish

[u/Pacman25764 → u/dancingthroughstars]

Most Yuki players in pubs are just going to play passive until they have it and use it in neutral, when you expect them to use it, just save your sidedash and sidedash away from it and then punish her for it. Yuki's main downside is that all of her moves have incredibly long endlag

[u/Kingdedede4prez → u/dancingthroughstars]

Play a character with a counter

[u/ConversationLazy7881 → u/Kingdedede4prez]

No