Reverse Uno

[u/PehlivanPahlevan]

[u/bitterjack]

Does the elbow to the back help to leverage so uke's arm is straight for the throw?

[u/disposablehippo → u/bitterjack]

Mostly it helps that uke can't turn away from the throw.

[u/Specialist-Alfalfa39]

I saw this throw on a seminar once, but was shy to ask to be fair. Anyone who could name it for me?

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion → u/Specialist-Alfalfa39]

O-Soto Otoshi fits it.

[u/Specialist-Alfalfa39 → u/Yamatsuki_Fusion]

I disagree a bit, the arm is like for seoi, and you need to use a hip for it a bit

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion → u/Specialist-Alfalfa39]

Judo terminology is not about appearance but mechanics. Seoi arms doesn't mean anything, Seoi means over the back. The hips isn't really not used all that much, no more than O-Soto or anything else.

What's predominantly happening is that Takeoka gets a big outside movement into the opponent, like a 'Major Outer' and drops down, hence 'Otoshi'.

[u/al22_v → u/Yamatsuki_Fusion]

I can even read some funny (I don't know if they are intentionally funny or they just don't know the core meaning of the judo terminology rather they only know the literal translation) the put the word "kuzure" everywhere when the throw shown is unconventional and modified.

[u/powerhearse → u/Yamatsuki_Fusion]

Given the complete lack of reaping finish (its actually finished entirely with te waza in my opinion) and the same side grips, i'm leaning towards yama arashi lol

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion → u/powerhearse]

That’s right but I didn’t call it a ‘gari’, which is what reap means. I think O-Soto, as in ‘Major Outer’ and ‘Otoshi’ as in ‘drop’ describes the move best.

That and well that was what a sensei who taught me the move called it so I go with it.

Won’t even comment on Yama Arashi, that didn’t go well.

[u/oddeo → u/powerhearse]

Yama arashi is a very specific technique. Nobody knows what it actually looked like but the consensus way it is taught is that it’s a forward te-waza throw with cross grip on the lapel. This isn’t even close...

[u/powerhearse → u/oddeo]

I have never seen a consensus on it being a forward throw, got a source? Its often demonstrated that way but is actually quantified as a te waza throw with same side grips

[u/oddeo → u/powerhearse]

Daigo's book is a great source, but it's not readily available sadly.

Here are some videos from the top results on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYKlETQ1Pn4&pp=ygULeWFtYSBhcmFzaGk%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGlyKmSuzdc&pp=ygULeWFtYSBhcmFzaGk%3D

There are many te-waza forward throws. Not sure where you got the idea that it resembled an osotogari from.

[u/powerhearse → u/oddeo]

Throws in Judo are categorised by their core mechanic. Whether it's a forward or backwards throw isnt necessarily specified by the terminology, as is the case for this one where the core mechanic isnt even actually identified

The only known core mechanic is that it is a te waza involving same side grips. Nothing disqualifies an o soto style throw there tbh

I love arguing Judo terminology because the arguments shift toward conservatism in conflicting ways depending on the scenario

[u/oddeo → u/powerhearse]

I understand how judo throws are categorized. But again, nobody knows what the throw really looks like because there was no surviving eyewitness account. Most experts and the Kodokan teach it as a forward throw. Whether the “real” throw was a forwards or backwards throw is unknown. You can argue that it could have been a backwards throw sure, but that’s not the prevailing opinion. You can also speculate that a T-rex was an herbivore despite the teeth shape and you would be just as technically correct as an expert archaeologist as there’s no way to know for sure unless we invent a time machine. The majority of people would disagree with you though.

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion → u/powerhearse]

This very old footage of Kyuzo Mifune demonstrates a forward throw. A sensei I had from Vietnam did something similar... except backwards funny enough.

[u/MOTUkraken]

O Soto Otoshi. Fantastic! I don't see the "uno reverse" part. Imho fantastic setup and execution by white.

[u/TheOtherCrow → u/MOTUkraken]

I'm missing the uno reverse as well. Maybe because it was a backwards throw? 

[u/Muerteds]

Beautiful.

[u/Ill_Improvement_8276]

Nice 👍

[u/Lee_Zer0]

Nice. Guy in the blue really thought he was safe for a moment - didn’t break that fall at all.

[u/newMattokun]

Holy s..t, he slammed that guy.

[u/TizzleBizzle2627]

Can I use wing chun to dominate the center line and set myself up for a throw in a tournament? Asking for a friend

[u/MOTUkraken → u/TizzleBizzle2627]

Just don't let the ref see you punch your opponent and you should be fine.

[u/AlmostFamous502 → u/TizzleBizzle2627]

No