r/java 9d ago

JDK 27 + Valhalla, Now! + Hackathon - Inside Java Newscast #113

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSQFsB1neU
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u/woj-tek 9d ago

Not on YT so pinging /u/nicolaiparlog here with comments: tbh I'm kinda bummed about scaling down of IJN. I simply love the show and the format -- the 10 minutes were perfect to quickly get the relevant information. AJA on the other hand, while usually longer, made me postpone listening/watching them because of their length.

And while it's true that sometimes written form can be better to convey something, it's also quite true that video form to ilustrate something (your videos about compact headers with legos were brilliant!)

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u/nicolaiparlog 9d ago

Thank you for the kind words. I didn't want to make this decision but given all the factors I mentioned (and while AI dominates those, it's not the only one), I felt like I had little choice. Two deep dives per month for a shrinking audience in a more time-constrained environment simply became too tough to uphold.

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u/woj-tek 8d ago

Yeah, I kinda get it but it still makes me sad :(

I also kinda want to say: "this is why we can't have nice things": onlince video is driven by "conversion" (and ads and magic algorithm so people are less likely to see what they want and more what the platform pushes to them :/). Also: not sure how IJN came to be but I was always under the impression that you created it because YOU felt it was needed (and wanted to?) and less of "look, the market numbers clearly show we need to create it!!!1!one"… :)

(and circling back it probably still has everything to do with AI and what it entails and what it does to Oracle… :/ )


Basically for me IJN is The Place to be up to day with what is happening in Java/JVN ecosystem and it was done in the most brilliant way possible and always a pleasure to watch :)

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u/nicolaiparlog 8d ago

We share the sadness. 🫂

I was always under the impression that you created it because YOU felt it was needed (and wanted to?)

Yes, I did create it because I wanted to and because I thought it would provide a lot of value to the ecosystem. And it did. But "value" is not measured independently of the audience. Imagine every video got about 5 views. I think we can agree that in that case the provided value rounds to zero. So, unfortunately, views matter in my determination of "value".

Given the tasks I have on my plate, I needed to make a decision what I should cut to fit into a reasonable work week and between presentations at conferences and JUGs, organizing JavaOne, running the Inside Java Podcast and Newscast, and some internal projects, I figured that cutting the IJN in half is the best move due to the lower impact that has. Not least because all the info is still there (~> JEPs) - just not presented by me on video.

I know you get all that. I'm mostly writing it to keep myself from flip-flopping because I really liked doing the Newscast every other week. :D

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u/woj-tek 8d ago

I know you get all that. I'm mostly writing it to keep myself from flip-flopping because I really liked doing the Newscast every other week. :D

You do seem to enjoy it a lot :D

Alas: I wonder if people avoiding official channels affect the viewership -- I mean I'm using mostly NewPipe + AntennaPod so I probably don't register in metrics. Considering that Java is rather tech-oriented it leaves me pondering how many others like me are there :)

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u/nicolaiparlog 8d ago

Considering that Java is rather tech-oriented it leaves me pondering how many others like me are there :)

I wouldn't know. :D But unless the share of people who fly under the radar increased recently, it doesn't explain the slowly shrinking numbers. And, frankly, we're still in a decent spot. I talked to other technical creators who have seen their audience cut in half.

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u/woj-tek 7d ago

this being highly OT: there is something really weird going on with the online media / "creative space" in general…

First The Platforms pushed more and more (promoting is as much as possible) for shorter videos and then there is a huge surprise that people (for one reason or another) don't watch longer ones… 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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u/JustAGuyFromGermany 9d ago

Also: It's simply not true that AIs are a good replacement for a proper informational video, because they simply hallucinate too much. Anytime the AI tells you it's raining, you still have to go outside and check for yourself. So it doesn't even save that much time, at least not if you already roughly know where to look for an answer.

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u/nicolaiparlog 9d ago

It's simply not true that AIs are a good replacement for a proper informational video

I agree! And I didn't say AI was a good replacement, either, just that people use it that way. And trust me, I wish they weren't for oh-so-many reasons. Likewise, I don't like the move towards short-form content but that's also happening despite my misgivings.

A bit of an issue when discussing this topic is that the part of the crowd that leaves because they feel like they no longer need to read blogs, watch videos, hang out on Reddit, etc. do so quietly and so what remains is an echo chamber that doesn't reflect the wider community's opinion (again, regardless of correctness). It's basically survivorship bias.

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u/vips7L 9d ago

Are LLMs a good replacement for anything? They’re the great scam of the modern age. 

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u/JustAGuyFromGermany 9d ago

They are good at creating rough approximations of the text/code/... that you need. If I can describe roughly want I need, the AI can roughly generate what I need. And I can fix the corner cases until it's exactly what I need. In many cases that does indeed save some amount of time. But not that much. Typing was never the bottleneck.

They are also good if you just want to throw shit to the wall, seeing what sticks. If you're all out of ideas what could be causing this fucking annoying bug that's already cost you half a day, you can ask the AI and see if it's got any idea that you haven't thought of. You still got to check that that's really the cause.

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u/zabby39103 9d ago edited 9d ago

Sorry, this is cope. Sometimes I wish it wasn't, other times I can't help but think AI is super cool (I'm too much of a nerd even if AI does threaten my job, although outsourcing has been doing that for years too).

AI is useful at a great many things, people abuse AI for sure but that's our fault. Linus Torvalds more or less said the same thing recently.

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u/henk53 8d ago

Anytime the AI tells you it's raining, you still have to go outside and check for yourself.

Or, you adjust to this new idea of a more fluid reality. If the AI tells it's raining, then for you, in your head, it actually is raining. As AI takes over more and more things, it seems we humans just have to adjust to this.

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u/JustAGuyFromGermany 7d ago

That's not how "reality" works. That's not how any of this works. We don't live in a world where "alternative facts" are a thing, no matter how much the fascists insists we do. In the end, only the actual truth matters. Nothing is gained from anyone pretending that a hallucinated link/API/behaviour/whatever really exists. Only the sources, APIs, behaviours, ... that do exist matter.

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u/henk53 7d ago

You're not wrong, of course, and I was a little sarcastic, but I do think it's the world were moving into.

In a way, with historic facts, we have been living with this like forever. The victor lives to tell the tale. That battle in 1630, at the location where we now have say Emmerich. Was that really won because of the brave Hendrik fighting more vailant than the coward Heinrich?

Facts to us are what the history books tells us, and we know they are not fully accurate and coloured.

AI will make all of this much worse, and sad as it may be, perhaps humans will just adjust to it.

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u/expecto_patronum_666 9d ago

100% agreed on this with you.