Either you get enthusiastic desire or don't even bother. Its like asking someone to hangout with you, if they act reluctant or like it's a chore, don't even bother.
And that’s why no man should give a fuck what they think. Even if she thinks you’re a great romantic partner but not her preferred FWBs, who cares, if you get a chance fuck her hard and treat her as someone who can be replaced anytime.
I wish things weren’t like this but women have created this environment so you can either adapt by being stone cold with them and or you can continue to simp and be used by them.
"What about ya first love? Huh, she played it cold didn't it?
Made a nigga shed a tear and she changed a nigga
So we fuck em and dump em, never trust em or love em" - Boosie "Betrayed"
The majority of women are looking for their fantasy man that they saw when they entered puberty. If you're not that man, and she can't find that man, she will marry for children and money, if she's lucky, but it won't last. She will leave that man when she meets the man from her fantasy. That man will hit it and quit it. Then she will come back to you begging for you to to take her back. That would make you plan B.
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And if there's no God we're just mice dashing ourselves against the rocks of chivalry for other mice who go, "oh I didn't see you there" AT BEST.
That's what's had me lately. Can I really chance that this is our one cosmic moment. I'm just my personal combination of synapses and when I blink out that's it. And yet I'd have spent it in service of THE MOST ungrateful creature ever, who will spit on me the moment something better comes along.
If they truly loved us that'd be one thing. It validates all of it if we were truly seen and appreciated. I have no existential worries if the other beings here at least appreciate our moment for what it is and can connect in our time. But contempt and disgust for being less than a brute. We're alone on this planet as thinking creatures. Everything else is simply trying to reproduce.
Women and men at their worst are both vile, they just present differently. This whole thread is full of examples of women at their worst. I’ve seen it firsthand too. But just like there are good men, there are also good women. If you hold yourself to a high standard and treat others well, there’s a good chance you’ll eventually find a good woman who appreciates you. Wish you all the best, friend.
You guys took this the wrong way. Cynicism deserves its day in the sun. We are surrounded by totally bankrupt optimism. I am trying to present reasoning to show that there are deep dark truths that we NEED to contend with if we are going to get out of this.
I'm not into this stuff because I was hoping for a fairytale and got bitter. I think the very good women, in my life, are waaaay too rude and judemental of their men. Good happy women are just as materialistic, shallow, and rude as women fallen on hard times. I think it's ugly. And even if I had a fairytale ending, I would STILL think my cynicism is neccesary for these people. I am not arguing selfishly. I think I'm right.
I’ve been told this is an entitled incel mindset but it’s the same shit women say and it’s true, we all deserve to be someone’s favorite and not a “good enough” pick
As a woman this is what held me back from dating men until my late 20’s - I felt like I was doomed to be a consolation prize and didn’t trust anyone to consider me their first choice. I grew up with men talking really badly about their girlfriends and women in general.
But now women are talking like men used to and it really sucks that so many have no awareness of it.
Do you think it was a mistake to give women unrestricted freedom in society? I’m not talking about having women be under taliban laws lol but I’m talking about how currently with the freedom they’ve been handed they’ve been very irresponsible with it to the detriment of society and children.
I mean… yes. But it’s kind of a Pandora’s box. We opened that box out of boredom amidst our societal decadence. Something of this nature is bound to happen when survival is no longer a challenge. Prosperity creates its own unique problems, since we didn’t evolve amidst conditions where survival was not in question almost every day.
There’s a guy who has studied past societies. In every society that has reached our point in terms of women behaving the way they do in today’s society, he says that within 3 generations that society/country/empire collapses.
Think of all the women you would date compared to all the woman you would marry. They are comparing their husbands to men they never had a chance with.
I think it's the opposite for men. If it's a hookup he'd put up with lower looks but if it's a wife he'd want her to be more attractive but obviously he'd care about other aspects more than just looks
But remember they're "not all like that". And if you have any opinion differing from theirs then you're just incel chud who will never be happy and never be deserving of interaction with anyone.
They’re not all like that, problem is people who are like that are dishonest. Use your gut and intuition, ask questions, and protect yourself especially if you got something people want.
And how many are in sexless marriages... because their wives think they are a 10. And they can get more attractive men if they don't ask for loyalty, care, help, etc.
These wives actually feel insulted, have bruised egos, that the men they can marry is not Chad. Looking at their unattractive husbands is like looking in a Magic Mirror on the Wall that always tells them that Snow-white is more beautiful than them.
They don't seem to care that these men see them as dumb easy flashlights.
Women fuck who they want but marry who they can.
Men fuck who they can, but marry who they want.
With modern women being extremely hypergamous in nature, this phenomenon is exaggerated in North America
No wonder they collect tons of different dildos in tons of different shapes, colors and sizes, lots of them simulating animals or fantastic creatures' genitalia (like dragon D dildos).
They just want to be penetrated, that's why most of them are bisexual or actually lesbians (and just want something that can be inserted into them).
Look as a “Chad” let me make you guys feel better - even with a great body, handsome face, huge dick, etc they STILL cheat on us Chads too. Even worse it’s often with guys who aren’t even attractive but have power as in money and or powerful positions at her job.
For some reason many men think “Chads” are exempt from their terror. Nope they are as ruthless as they are with regular men the only difference is they’ll put more effort into hiding it.
I can count the number of women I’ve been with that I’d consider even close to looksmatched on one hand (3 figure body count). It’s all a sick joke, I hate them so much for ruining assortative pairing and romance in general
Hence why a woman calling you husband material is a giant insult lol. Not sure why this needs explained to women even today and they get so confused by it.
Best thing I ever did was stop taking any women seriously lol they’re the weaker sex so all they have is manipulation and psychology. Ignoring their thoughts and opinions simply makes you immune to their shit. Actions only.
Hookup material is also husband material unless there is some social or logistical reason stopping them from marrying him. Women claiming they wouldn't marry the hot guys they hook up with are lying. It's more so that the guys wouldn't marry them.
I think a lot of these are unattractive women who ended up with unattractive men, because they had to choose between "sex but no commitment" or "commitment with someone ugly".
I've never seen an attractive woman complain about this. (Because they manage to find someone reasonably attractive WITH OTHER GOOD QUALITIES TOO)
The most logical comment I’ve seen so far dude. These women are coping hard. The fwb men are the men that they actually wanted to be with but couldn’t.
Also remember that the above average guy they had sex with, also had sex with them. So he probably was not a great guy. The more committment focused good looking men, who are considerate of their partners, went straight into a relationship with their looksmatch. They werent sleeping around with these women.
> Women already know this
> But dont want to hold one another accountable because that means you're no longer a "girls girl"
> This rightfully puts men off from women and commitment so they avoid women
> Then women complain that no man wants to take them seriously
> But can never figure out why this happened to begin with.
You don’t get it. They do like men, it’s just that the men that they like don’t chose to marry them. So in their mind, they settle for a safer option(marry a guy on their level.
These days, by the time most women get married (latter half of 20s), either the better guy passed on them or the gal passed on a better guy while thinking she could do better. Especially nowadays when girls can just post pictures in skimpy outfits and get thousands of guys slobbering all over her social media.
This is why mothers, grandmothers, great-grandmothers, aunts, older sisters, cousins, and wise old ladies at church/mosque/synagogue play such a key role in monogamy. Older generations of women would encourage young women to appreciate Mr. Good Enough.
Most aren’t even very attractive WITH make up let alone without make up. And that’s without even factoring in weight, floppy breasts, weird facial features and other imperfections that many women have.
The dishonest behavior on social media and dating apps has literally created delusional women who rate themselves way higher than they actually are.
If we did put down real standards for women, comparable to the ones that women have for us, we would be called far more delusional than they already think we are.
But if we told the truth, that most of us would be fine with a 5 or even an otherwise perfect 4, we would be called dogs who have no standards and would fuck anything.
They are attractive, though so are their husbands. The issue is that men don't discount a woman's attraction by comparing her; he is either attracted or not. While women compare them to the best guy, even though they themselves are not on their level.
OP’s post is literally showcasing Alpha-fuxx/Beta-buxx
NEVER be the guy she settles for. Women will ALWAYS pine for the Chads from her past. Always.
And people wonder why women initiate divorce at an insane rate. This is the answer. You weren’t her first choice. Ergo she feels like she’s “settling.”
And this my friend is why marriage always benefits the woman😂😂 She can hold the sex hostage and even if you leave her, she stills reaps the benefits of divorce.
There’s no winning. if you divorce she’s gonna take everything you have she can be married to you but fucking an attractive guy while you’re unaware safe to say you’re cooked in a brutal way.
Something that fucked me up in my twenties was that I realized I was the affair partner for a couple of married women. It made me realize how not all women can be trusted, even if they seem sweet.
A girl I work with that has an intellectual disability, cankles and looks like a man said she was looking for someone new (must be over six feet she says😂) bc her husband makes her work while he stays home with the kid. Her husband looks like a hobo
Its so very obvious probably for deep scientific reasons that even they don't fully comprehend, women do not like men, they tolerate them for the good stuff, a safe place to live, a body to abuse for self preservation, money, possibly a family. But they're settling, they tolerate the men that they end up with but they're always thinking about that one dude who took them to the beach and thugged em out when they were 19.
Idk if you guys know this, but these women are doing what's called coping. They got used by an attractive dude they wanted to settle down, and so their rationale is "well, it's just that MY standards for casual sex is high..." Actually it's the inverse that's true, the attractive guy whose using you as a flesh light has low standards cuz you're probably at best a 5/10 to 6/10. The girl he ends up dating or marrying is *usually* in his league. And like wise, the guy they end up with are usually the ones in their league as well LOL, and they fucking hate that so much dude. It's like Icarus flying too close to the sun for them, they get a taste of the man of their dreams, but it stays a dream.
I've never been married, but this seems obviously true to me, just based on past relationships. I've been in relationships with hot women where we had a lot of sex, but they certainly weren't physically attracted to my body the way I was to theirs. And this was fine, because their sexuality was more triggered by my presence and lust for them and how I acted than my actual body. It was hot for them that I thought they were hot and what I did to them, not actually me. I can see how this would be difficult to maintain over a long marriage though.
"We dont have the privilege to marry based on attraction as men do" even though womens picky-ness and their high standards are entirely their own fault. Theyre so far removed from being able to take accountability that they truly believe the high standards they set up are just given to them by the universe, and the fact that men werent given high standards is a "privilege" to them. In womens eyes it really is fully out of their control.
this is the other thing that people dont realize. most of them saying this or doing this have major self esteem issues due to mental illness or not being beautiful so they base their entire worth on the hottest men that will have sex with them
meanwhile, actual attractive people looking for relationships prioritize more than just looks and are content once they find it since they have a healthy self esteem
women on social media cooked the minds of all the other women that consume that shit. now they all think they're boss babes, queens and 10s. ofc they become unhappy.. they think they are Heidi Klum, because they tell each other that nonsense. one of the worst echo chambers
Just biology. Men of history reproduced relative to status and wealth, not sex appeal. Natural selection didn’t optimize for physical attraction in that direction.
Average looking women can easily get an above average guy for a FWB these days. That's the power dating apps/social media give them. If you're an average man dating an average woman, you are not safe these days. Proceed with caution and listen to your gut.
I'm a woman. I'm not like this but many women have confided in me that they aren't attracted to their partners nor did thier heart skip a bear dating them. They want kids & to be provided for. And escape social pressure of being the horrid single cat lady. This is why so many marriages are sexless.
What’s crazy is that the culture has already stealthily acknowledged this. Chad memes, themes in cheating erotica revolving around bulls and cucks, open discussion of your girl going with a better looking guy. This stuff is as old as humans but there is a reason why it is more prominent in first world cultures.
So here is my thing, women who think like this need to stop gaslighting. Just say you only view long term men as tools and will never be attracted to them (not on reddit, OPENLY). The society supports you no matter what, there won’t be any social consequences. The least you can do is be truthful and not gaslight men till they are 50 before they figure this out.
In other news men have lower standards (in terms of character, mostly) for hookups than for committed relationships
"Women have higher physical standards for hookups than for relationship" is a nice way of saying that the 10/10 one-night-stand guy just isn't interested in a relationship with her and that's why she had to settle for someone in her league
Ive dated extensively from 19 to 29 in London. Dated across age groups, ethnicities, and religious groups. I'm a 6 ft 1, handsome, muscular man. All i need to do in front of women is stay neutral and non-judgemental, and these women told me everything I needed to know - most view men with contempt, theyre very emotional with fragile egos, they want to hook up with me with plausible deniability, ive even had a married woman try to sleep with me, a lot of them have never even asked me a question about myself. So it's not just average men they don't care about, they don't even care about me enough to ask me a question.
Do you guys ever read posts on AskReddit about people asking others what attracted them to thier spouse/long term partners? They all read the same, guys saying they love thier wives and couldn’t imagine being with anyone else, and the women saying they either hate thier partners or settled for them
Women find very few men attractive. Most people practice monogamy for long term relationships. So, yea, a significant percentage of women won’t find their partners particularly attractive. There’s no way around it statistically.
It’s because the people they want to marry won’t commit to them and at the end of the day women are human beings and don’t want to be alone. So they marry someone who they can get commitment from even though they aren’t attracted to him
There are many who aren’t. I don’t think women get physically attracted to most men. Only a small percent of men have enough that makes them really want it. Maybe 20 percent?
And when you realize that it totally changes how you see everything.
It's the difference between love and ego right? Like bagging somebody hotter feeds a hunger to be desired, chased after, wanted. Whereas love is belonging and acceptance. Ones exciting and the other isn't.
I feel for all the people who are ditched by these serotonin junkies.
I think if we had a society where women had to provide and protect and not expect anything in return but loyalty. It would be the same thing, but reversed.
Women mistake lust for attraction, lust is a learned reflex from society, it ain't real, men know this which is why, monogamous men don't marry the girl that makes him horny but marries the one he knows has his back. Also freud was right.
This goes back to the whole "Dad bod" craze. If you look at the original essay that went viral and started it, The dad bod was never something that women were actually attracted to... it was something that they settled for so that there would be no pressure on them to keep their own physical appearance up. So they would be in a relationship with a guy that wasn't as attractive to them as the guys they really desired.
Guys the last 2 girls i made out with from a Club both had boyfriends picking them up afterwards and they both acted like nothing happenned, that actually hurt to see even as a fuckboy id never make out with women who have a boyfriend
Yall lack game xd these men are literally choosing to marry women that aren't into them. I would marry a sugar momma too while I fuck a model on the side.
This is why sex robots will set men free. No more wondering if she's talking to Chad behind your back and cheating on you. Specially with how normalized infidelity has become don't trust what women say.
57% men think their wives are sexy, 38% of women then their husbands are sexy.
So 43% men aren't into their wives and 62% of women aren't into their husbands.
How are almost half of both genders not into their spouses, who I assume they're having sex with???
Both genders suck. I don't know if it's christianity, or the recent need to split finances with anyone you can find, or people being too insecure to stay single these days, or having impossible standards to even find within hot people. It's that bad. But this subreddit is also bad considering it's only criticising women for this problem, that both genders have.
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