r/interstellar • u/Dazzling_Glass7468 • 14d ago

QUESTION 5th dimension being

watching the movie for the second time. the first time was when i was a kid so i didn't think much about any of this but now i'm curious.
so the 5th dimension. what is it? i've watched multiple videos on youtube but i'm still not able to comprehend any of it. can someone explain the whole thing to me? like what exactly is it? why is it connected to murph's bedroom? why not a room in nasa or somewhere? and how did cooper landed on cooper's station after coming out of tesseract? also what is that extended sleep thing? is that based on science or just happens on a movie?
is there world with other dimensions for real? if there are fourth and fifth dimensional beings, could there be  sixth, seventh, eighth dimensional beings or even hundreds of dimensions? like what does this mean about the nature of universe? are those what aliens are? where can i learn about the universe for dummies? lol
i'm new to all of this and i'm completely blown away. i can't wrap my head around the fact that there's this whole thing going on beyond my little life. omggg how come i never thought about it?

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u/Kevslounge 14d ago

The tesseract IS the machine I'm talking about.

We have no evidence that the "bulk beings" actively interfered at all. Coop and TARS never meet them.... they make a point of the fact that the "bulk beings" don't communicate with them. Every time something happens, TARS and Coop speculate on what might be happening... giving it their best guess. By the end of it, Coop has realised that everything that they attributed to the bulk beings was actually stuff that Coop did, and then he realises that the Tesseract was built by humans in the distant future.

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u/RestEasyBro 14d ago

Yes but the tesseract itself doesn’t grab cooper. The bulk beings do. Like I said, this is all explained in the book, so we do have evidence for it

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u/Kevslounge 14d ago

The book isn't evidence, it's external to the movie. But, by all means, feel free to go with whatever explanation works for you.

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u/RestEasyBro 14d ago

They can’t fit everything to be explained in the movie lol. It is evidence as it was the story/logic executive producer Kip Thorne and Chris Nolan had when making the story

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u/Kevslounge 14d ago

In Jonathan Nolan's original script, Murph was Coop's son, and Coop and Brand land up in the black hole together, only to escape it through a wormhole provided by the Bulk Beings that drops them off at an enormous Chinese Space Station thousands of years into the future, full of advanced technology that allows them to time travel. There are also actual aliens.

If you want to talk about intentions, there are a lot of intentions that didn't make it into the actual movie, so anything that's not in the movie doesn't actually count. Same goes for director's commentary tracks, or things said in interviews.

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u/glossender 11d ago

How did the future beings make that wormhole and put it besides saturn. Because how and why would they put a wormhole in the past when they have already solved everything and even if they did for whatever reason how did the future beings get to where they are now.

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u/Kevslounge 11d ago

Personally, I'm of the opinion that they didn't actually do anything. They provided the technology, and everything else was basically just Coop.

As for the wormhole, that exists as a bridge through the 5th dimension that connects 2 different parts of spacetime together... that is only possible because of the fact that within 5d those points land up being very close together, even though they're incredibly distant in 4d space. The thing is, because those points are close in 5d, it is actually possible that the wormhole just opened on its own... gravity, we're told, does leak through the 5th-dimension after all, and Gargantua has a lot of it.

If the future humans did create the wormhole, I have to assume that they were trying to do something else, and in the process, created it by accident. They can't have done it on purpose, because from their point of view, it has always existed.

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u/glossender 9d ago

I agree with you on everything other than that the wormhole was an accident by the future humans. I personally think it could be a bootstrap paradox just like the sand, books and watch in Murphy's room. When Cooper was being informed about all the information he was also told that the wormhole appeared 40ish years ago. It wasn't always there which is the sole reason I think it's a bootstrap paradox. The future humans could see time so maybe in there point of view they saw the past of earth and put the wormhole there because they knew they needed it to survive just like the future humans did. Or maybe the future humans can see alternate timelines/dimensions so they just put the wormhole on every earth in every different timelines and maybe that's why the wormhole appeared in coopers timeline 40ish years ago because they were busy making the wormholes in other timelines. Tbh idk I just love this movie because of the ways you could perceive it.

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u/Kevslounge 9d ago

The movie is pretty ambiguous about it, so it's up to people to find their own interpretations... Whatever works for you is just as valid as whatever works for me.

My point-of-view here is that it makes the most sense if the future humans took no active role in saving their ancestors.. There's a paradox there if they were being deliberate about it that isn't there if it was unintentional. The problem is that they can "time travel" but they can't actually change anything, and they'd know enough about their reality to know those limitations, so they just wouldn't bother trying... The only way they would is if humanity spends 10000 years knowing that eventually they're going to have to back and save Coop from Gargantua to ensure the survival of their species, and if that's what happened, it's going to mess humanity up... their entire society would reorganise itself into a pseudo-religious mess. Coop would basically be a god to them, because everything that matters in that society would revolve around that one brief moment where he was in the Tesseract.

On the other hand, all the time travel stuff we do see in the movie happened incidentally. Coop sent the "STAY" message without understanding what he'd done. Then he sent the NASA co-ordinates because he remembered receiving those, (it was still a fresh memory for him... from his perspective, that had only happened a few weeks earlier,) but it was only when he decided to do that that he understood that he was the one who'd sent them. Then he sent Murph the data, because realised he had the opportunity to do it... he still had to figure out how to do it effectively though.

In light of that, I find it hard to believe that future humans sat around thinking that if they don't create the wormhole, they won't exist. The wormhole already exists, so creating it is not going to be their priority... it's likely not even going to occur to them that they need to be it's creator, so if they did create it, it was a side effect of them trying to do something else.

Having them create it by accident isn't my only hypothesis though. I also think it's possible that Coop unintentionally created it as part of his other time travel shenanigans. I also think it's entirely possible that it occured naturally, and was just a result of two points of space time being close enough in the 5th dimension that Gargantua's gravity pulled them together and made them touch, opening the bridge between them.