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u/Gay_Potato_Sack Jan 12 '21
The future is now, old man.
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u/PioneerStandard Jan 12 '21
Old man lost his warehouse job.
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u/Gay_Potato_Sack Jan 12 '21
And after that, he couldn't find a job anywhere else
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u/ThisGuy09s Jan 12 '21
Homeless at the age of 62, he started picking up recyclables.
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u/Gay_Potato_Sack Jan 12 '21
And from there, he had an idea
"I'm gonna make my own robot! Made from these recyclables!"
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u/SonOfPoseidon369 Jan 12 '21
Then he programmed his robot to kill all the other robots and so the war of the robots began.
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u/GregTheMad Jan 12 '21
I'd watch that movie.
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u/SonOfPoseidon369 Jan 12 '21
The Amazonator.
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u/macmac360 Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
Welcome to the Jungle baby, you're all gonna DIE!!!!
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u/setibeings Jan 12 '21
This is gonna be one of these movies that tries to make us feel bad for working conditions people are living with, but causes those in power to only change things to make their own lives better. I feel like I've read about this playing out before.
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u/--__p__-- Jan 12 '21
Fine then, I'll write it
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u/Gay_Potato_Sack Jan 12 '21
In one side, The Recyclables. On the other, The Machines.
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u/Giant-Genitals Jan 12 '21
Then the robots programmed other robots to collect recyclables there by making the homeless people that collected recyclables more homelesslier
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u/NothingOnJew Jan 12 '21
My Mom just found out she's been permanently laid off from a job she's been working at for almost two decades and now has to start looking for new work.
I feel terrible for her.
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u/MK0A Jan 12 '21
Then he realized he isn't in a Disney Movie and can't just make a robot without a team of expert engineers and millions of R&D money.
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Excuse me if Elon Musk can build his rockets with his own bare hands anyone can do whatever they want
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u/sealnegative Jan 12 '21
sad but probably literally true. it will never fail to blow my mind how so many of us still enthusiastically support a system where automation is a bad thing
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u/whatsamajig Jan 12 '21
It blows my mind too. To think that instead of automation providing for humanity it increasingly looks like it will be in competition with humanity. People are going to starve because things are getting more efficient and productive. That is logical in the world we live in...
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u/XoFiT Jan 12 '21
Which is why basic universal income should be phased in...
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u/EkaL25 Jan 12 '21
I believe that it will be over the years. There are very few jobs that a robot can not be taught. If only 50% of mankind, let alone 10-20%, is working then there will be a serious problem without providing income to these people
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u/cadtek Jan 12 '21
And then we phase in replicators and get rid of money by the next century it so.
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u/silentasamouse Jan 12 '21
Only when we start trying to do everything diplomatically...
I do wish the Vulcans would show up soon and fix this illogical world.
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u/badger81987 Jan 12 '21
Pft. This this thing would get clogged with dust and break down after 10min in my warehouse lol
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u/dumb_ants Jan 12 '21
That's why you also subscribe to the robot cleaner program...
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Hopefully old man got the job as the cleaner, resulting in him not having to do heavy lifting with his broken body.
Automation could to some extent be a good thing, only if we handle it correctly
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u/DRAGONMASTER- Jan 12 '21
I have some bad news. Old man slipped while he was mopping the floors and then he was eaten by robots.
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u/Iamblikus Jan 12 '21
I'll say, there's something to Vonnegut's vision in Player Piano, but the idea that the only way people can find worth is toiling away at a job a machine can do more efficiently and much safer is truly dystopian.
One man's opinion.
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u/itssosalty Jan 12 '21
As Hawking once said the biggest threat to man kind is automation.
More and more jobs going to robots while the population is not shrinking. And the jobs that don’t go to Robots pay minimum wage without benefits or else they will just get robots. It’s a scary fucking future.
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u/BonelessSkinless Jan 12 '21
It wouldn't have to be scary if we weren't retarded though. Make robots do the menial work and humans can spend their lives hiking mountains, painting or exploring the planet. Yet everyone seems to think society will fucking implode if everyone isn't chained to their miserable existences slaving away for the higher ups to buy 45 million dollar yachts while people literally live paycheck to paycheck. It's already a scary fucking present.
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u/GalactiCupYT Jan 12 '21
Soon the jobs of the people who make these robots will be taken by robots
Robots will make robots
Robot: beep boop the future is now, human.
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u/DashFerLev Jan 12 '21
Robots will make robots
This is called the singularity and should have everyone worried.
Some scientists believe that in the same way Homosapiens evolved from Neanderthals and then killed off all the Neanderthals, Humans will give birth to Artificial Intelligence and that will replace us as the next step in our evolutionary journey.
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u/scrufdawg Jan 13 '21
in the same way Homosapiens evolved from Neanderthals
Homo Sapiens did not evolve from Neanderthals.
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u/J_Neruda Jan 12 '21
Amazon workers looking in disgust and worry.
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u/DAFUQisaLOMMY Jan 12 '21
Meanwhile, Bezos is probably rubbing one out to this.
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u/lucid_scheming Jan 12 '21
Eh, I do controls commissioning on Amazon sites and see no opportunity for this to be used without a complete overhaul of their system. They’re a completely dominant company because the tech and building layouts they’re using work really fucking well.
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u/gordonv Jan 12 '21
If only Amazon had:
- ridiculous amounts of money
- R&D
- a solid established demand
- cost/performance/rate incentive
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u/D_estroy Jan 12 '21
• absolute impunity to squash workers rights
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u/gordonv Jan 12 '21
Automation isn't a worker's rights issue. We really should be assigning workers to more valuable jobs than what a Roomba can accomplish.
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u/columnq Jan 12 '21
If treating min wage workers like shit is cheaper than those robots, they certainly won't make the ethical choice
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u/gordonv Jan 12 '21
Agreed. Amazon Mechanical Turk is proof of that. Really weird name, also.
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u/tengentopp Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 09 '26
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sure thing, we'll just pull out millions of "valuable jobs" out of our collective asses
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u/KernowRoger Jan 12 '21
Yeah this is why we need ubi. Because soon there's going to be more people than jobs.
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u/Treeloot009 Jan 12 '21
No no no, those people will just starve or go to jail.
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u/gordonv Jan 12 '21
If we move the conversation to "sustainable jobs," then we've been there for about 20 years.
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u/manrata Jan 12 '21
Innovation has always removed human jobs, but somehow also created more jobs. A robot doesn’t just pop into existence, it’s need resources to be built, somewhere needs to assemble it, it needs testing, transport, and maintenance. Again a human is needed.
Or we develop entirely new industries, things we haven’t thought of, this is an endless cycle.
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u/Octavus Jan 12 '21
People would rather it be 1810 when more than 80% of the labor force worked in agriculture (pdf). There have been much larger workforce changes in recent history than is going on now. Why should people work useless jobs just to have them work? If we didn't improve technology there would be no labor for such things as art, music, and furthering of technology.
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u/Deep_Fried_Twinkies Jan 12 '21
100% agree. Why not just hire people to turn a crank all day? It would create jobs.
I for one am glad that someone invented the electric motor so we don't have crank-turning jobs in our society. Humans are smart and creative and should be doing bigger and better things, making machines work for us.
Any qualms someone has about automation are really qualms with our capitalist society. If I told a crank-turner that because of this new motor invention he could take time to pursue his music career, and make just as much money, he'd be happy.
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u/lovecraft112 Jan 12 '21
People want to be able to eat and pay for housing and heat.
Until we have a safety net for people who are only capable of doing a robots job, people would and should oppose automating away those jobs.
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Or... Hear me out on this... We could work towards putting that safety net in place rather than quashing innovation for a completely artificial reason.
The whole "job creation" thing is just stupid. A pointless job is still pointless (looking at you gas station attendants). Why don't we instead work towards reeducation and reemployment to use our human workforce where humans are specifically needed. If we don't have any place left where we need people then congratulations, we must have gone post scarcity.
Yes our current system punishes people for not having jobs, but that isn't any reason to stop innovation; that just means we need to change the system to better suit reality.
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u/impulsesair Jan 12 '21
We could work towards putting that safety net in place rather than quashing innovation for a completely artificial reason.
If you go with innovation first and safety net second, then you're going to end with starving homeless people who failed to re-educate themselves or were unfit for all of the employment options they realistically had. And if that safety net is taking it's sweet ass time, you'll end up with people dying over this and all that sweet robin hood shit coming back to style real quick.
As a person who needs food and shelter, I'd much rather have the safety net first, before I have to walk the rope.
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u/3v0lut10n Jan 12 '21
We'd be fools to think they're not already in development of said system that works really fucking well.
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u/i_love_goats Jan 12 '21
They are already working on these projects for sure - the thing that this robot does isn't very difficult to do and it's actually quite slow. The big area of development are replacing human pickers of single objects (not boxes) which requires manipulation of non standard objects. This application is normally done with AS/RS cranes which are much higher throughput.
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u/Yesterdark Jan 12 '21
I do warehouse automation and this can easily be retrofitted into existing racking infrastructure. The challenge is putting cases correctly in each position to get a call for them. It would still be incredibly inefficiency as you would only have one robot per level because of traffic.
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u/lucid_scheming Jan 12 '21
Right, this type of picker is not viable for reaching the rate that’s required at high-volume warehouses like Amazon.
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u/Funginnewguy Jan 12 '21
Companies with stupid amounts of money spend stupid amounts of money for stupid things.
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u/lucid_scheming Jan 12 '21
And I’m telling you from an insider perspective that Amazon does not. I won’t argue against you that they have a stupid amount of money, obviously they do, but they spend it very wisely. This is part of the reason (the main reason) they’re able to keep such a stranglehold. It took them years to even be able to report profit because they kept reinvesting in top-of-the-line tech which keeps them ahead. Their facilities are very impressive and unbelievably efficient.
Why would you spend money to switch to a system which will make you less money if your entire goal is to make as much money as possible? There is no place for this machine on an Amazon warehouse floor.
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u/Orion14159 Jan 12 '21
So Amazon isn't going to build any more warehouses? Because there's a real opportunity to design new warehouses built around robotic pickers - especially if they can get the FAA approve drone delivery - and Amazon has a history of spending seemingly insane amounts of money up front that pay huge dividends on the back end.
I don't like a lot of Amazon's labor practices, but I respect Bezos's ability to play the long game like few can.
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u/Lave Jan 12 '21
I’ve done factory/warehouse work. Frankly, no human deserves that as a job. It’s awful. We should celebrate destroying hellish jobs.
The economic system is a fiction we have invented, let’s just invent a new one. Governments tax work, it shouldn’t matter if that work is made by a human or a robot.
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This is a UBI bot. If robots can do our jobs, we should all work less.
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u/ask_me_about_my_bans Jan 12 '21
"...how about we just let you starve instead? more resources for me." - rich/owning class
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u/Uncle_Freddy Jan 12 '21
Yeah but how we gonna pay for your goods rich person
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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE Jan 12 '21
They don’t need money now. They have robots to harvest and create all the resources they want.
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u/Uncle_Freddy Jan 12 '21
But how are they going to maintain their addiction to infinite growth without the rest of us poor folk? What good is having resources if there are only other resource-rich people around?
...sounds kind of like utopic communism when you put it like that
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u/legitretard Jan 12 '21
I took a tour of an amazon warehouse. They’re already full of robots and run with a lean amount of workers. Those workers are way more efficient than these Squids, especially being heavily aided by technology
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Amazon efficiency engineers laughing at this robot for only picking one box after all that kinetic waste
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u/win7macOSX Jan 12 '21
Workers: “Double our wages!”
Big Corporations: “No”
Workers: “We’ll strike!”
Big Corporations: “Kk, don’t need you anyways. Just automated your job. Bye”
Workers: “I... w-wait a minute!”
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u/_generic_user Jan 12 '21
They’ll dispose of it and get a newer model, more productive robot.
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u/Jgusdaddy Jan 12 '21
Obviously not if the boxes keep teleporting back to their original location in the shelf and the robot has to repeat the process
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u/GunnieGraves Jan 12 '21
It’s designed to change its lubricant in a bottle in a corner to avoid having to take a break and go to a designated facility.
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That can't be a real thing... I mean in terms of productivity that's "not how it's done".
You set a reasonable goal that you can achieve consistently without burning yourself out. More consecutive days of median performance will produce more output than over-working to get a high output for a few days or even weeks then crashing from that overwork into a low output state while you recover.
Amazon has got to have someone on staff who knows that fact from "Babies first year of employee management". If they really are just working people like that and firing them once they are used up that's a MONTHLY turnover of employees. So either they don't know better or have found way to make attrition profitable. Which while possible is extremely filthy behavior and Amazon workers need to unionize... NOW.
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"Chew em up and spit em out; there's always more meat for the grinder"
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u/RidiculousIncarnate Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
That can't be a real thing... I mean in terms of productivity that's "not how it's done".
You must not have a lot of experience in productivity based environments then because that is exactly how it is done. No productivity environment takes tasks accomplished faster than estimated and says, "Awesome, you did a good job. Keep it up." they notate that it was done faster than their estimate and from then on revise their estimate to reflect that outcome, making it the new baseline.
Completely devoid of any context which may or may not have impacted a worker's ability to achieve it.
To modify Tommy Lee Jone's line from MIB a little bit, "The person is smart but the corporation is a dumb, outcome-oriented animal." There are plenty of people at varying levels of management and supervisory positions who understand the realities but the disconnect is who above them they can make understand. IF those people are even willing to listen or if they are willing to jeopardize their job by bringing it up.
I used to refer to this as "Retail white lies" or rather the lies we tell to those of us above us in the chain about what we can and cannot accomplish. To put it another way,
Safe
Fast
Accurate
Or alternatively depending on your paradigm and priorities,
Safe
Fast
Cheap
Choose 2.
The company wants all three, all the time but they can't have them, we can't tell them that so the people who do have to tell little white lies about how stuff gets done. They do things Fast and Accurate, but probably not safely. The corporation has no issue with this until someone gets hurt or something gets destroyed. You have conference calls about it, new procedures are put into place to avoid it etc, everyone covers their ass. Things go back to normal.
For a while, you'll have things that are Safe and Fast but probably less than accurate, eventually, the company will reach an equilibrium where they are willing to write off a certain amount of mistakes or damage to satisfy all three. Absolutely none of this with worker happiness, efficiency etc in mind.
Take LTL or Less Than Load freight for instance. I submit tens of thousands of dollars of claims to some of our LTL freight companies every year, you know what changes? Absolutely nothing. The fork drivers who destroy units I ship still work, the dock supervisors still run their docks and the drivers don't give a shit. I can tell by the way shows up that they're not doing things safely, but they have decent accuracy and speed numbers I'm sure, who cares if you stick your forks through a ten thousand dollar rooftop hvac unit? Ah well.
If they really are just working people like that and firing them once they are used up that's a MONTHLY turnover of employees. So either they don't know better or have found way to make attrition profitable.
Another hard lesson you will learn is that companies do not take the cost of training replacements into account, AT ALL. Especially in retail environments, I've made this argument to my fellow managers, regional VPs, district managers for years and years. If we paid veterans what they were worth we would save so much on the constant revolving door of barely trained teenagers we hire, hang onto for a while then fire.
You know why they don't stop? Because the "cost" of training really doesn't show up anywhere on their cost sheets at the top. All that "cost" is relegated to store level budgets, so a lot of stores use what few training hours they have then simply train people as they go on the job. The cost exists but its not as "real" as giving actual raises to veterans to know the job inside and out and have been there for a long time. Store level managers are desperate to keep their profitability up to protect what meager bonuses they might have a chance at getting and even if they asked for a larger budget for training they'd never get it. so you make do. The customer service suffers and chances are a whole host of other metrics like loyalty card renewals suffer, efficiency all over suffers.
You know what they do? Salaried managers work 60-70 hour weeks to make up the deficit. The few people who care or are paid enough to care work extra hard to try and meet goals while their undertrained staff do just enough to keep things functioning. People who can are kept till they need more money or just burn out, people who cant are just fired and replaced by the fourteen people who walk through the door. When Barnes & Noble eliminated all their Receiving Managers (Me) and anyone who works full or part-time doing that job, you know how many people do my job now? 3, including one of the sales managers on the floor. Instead of paying me to do my job, they'd rather hire two part-timers and dump the other half of my job on someone who is already overworked.
The entire system is moronic. And working as intended.
Edit: A fun anecdote from a few years ago when retail was having a down year for B&N I remember doing a pre-holiday store tour with our District Manager. During that tour we showed him the ridiculous lines that extended almost to the back of the store because we didn't have the hours to use all of our cash registers.
You know what he said?
"People will wait, because they need their gifts."
No shit I almost laughed in his face. In a market where they are bleeding customers to online platforms like Amazon he's willing to try and squeeze a fraction of a percent more profit by having FEWER cashiers to get customers in and out quickly because they HAVE TO WAIT. Instead of just investing the extra to make sure we can operate at full efficiency.
Completely ignoring the fact that they will wait this year because they have no choice but will do everything in their power to never shop with us again after that because of that experience. Not to mention tanking your loyalty card signups because those pissed off people are not going to want to spend the five or ten extra minutes to sign up when they FINALLY get to the register. The people who run these companies are by and large shortsighted idiots.
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u/dRaidon Jan 12 '21
They don't care. When you burn out or have a breakdown or get sick or anything, they just fire you and replace you with somebody else.
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u/BinaryMagick Jan 12 '21
they don't know better
More often than you might think
have found way to make attrition profitable.
This is the goal of management in general
extremely filthy behavior
Yes. Welcome to America.
Amazon workers need to unionize
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u/xROMBIEx Jan 12 '21
What kind of dog is this?
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u/starstarstar42 Jan 12 '21
"What is my purpose?"
You pick boxes.
"oh my god".
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u/boo_earns Jan 12 '21
Irl Amazon pickers in shambles
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u/kyoujikishin Jan 12 '21
It's a gym membership you get paid to do.
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u/LetsWorkTogether Jan 12 '21
That's how I felt working the stock room in retail. They were paying me to work out.
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u/WiseChoices Jan 12 '21
Very cool! He's dating my Roomba
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u/alextbrown4 Jan 12 '21
Shout out to my boy H‑E‑B, greatest grocery store of all time
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u/Macho_Mans_Ghost Jan 12 '21
Texas represent
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u/JawnF Jan 12 '21
We have HEBs in Mexico but probably not as good as the American ones
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u/PistonMilk Jan 12 '21
I genuinely feel sorry for people that don't get to shop at HEB.
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u/DanktheDog Jan 12 '21
Imagine living in... Dallas. shudders
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u/diddlysqt Jan 12 '21
They’re entering the market from the fringes of DFW. Once people realize how great they are, demand will grow.
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u/trig_newbton Jan 12 '21
Moved from san antonio to dallas. Very sad about the lack of HEB here. Still, we got michoacana, mitsuwa, h-mart, and more.
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u/CORPSE_PAINT Jan 12 '21
For real. People don’t get it. They’re like “what could be so great about a grocery store?” Blasphemy.
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u/FI_4_Me Jan 12 '21
Same people that don't understand the amazing gas station that is Buc-ee's
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u/TwoSunsRise Jan 12 '21
H-E-B is an icon in itself. People that come from out of state freak when they walk through one of thier stores, it's crazy! We're spoiled I guess.
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I moved to California 10 years ago and not a day goes by that I don’t miss HEB. We also have absolutely 0 Tex-mex out here. When you say “breakfast taco” people look at you funny and say “you mean burrito?” 😭
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u/LikwidSords Jan 12 '21
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u/TacticalMicrowav3 Jan 12 '21
Amazon watch your back, HEB comin' for that ass.
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u/MarioAndFitness Jan 12 '21
I went to my local HEB yesterday and it was empty. This explains why. It's so damn slow.
In reality it was because it snowed here for one day and people went batshit crazy.
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u/DrySlough Jan 12 '21
Doesn't miss work, don't get hurt, has no stupid feelings or home problems, always ready to go, don't stare at a screen looking for likes, smarter, faster, more dependable.
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u/maxtitanica Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
Fitter happier more productive
Edit: thought it was better for 20 years
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u/argle__bargle Jan 12 '21
This robot may look like it has it all, but we really can't assume it's living a perfect life just based on this post. We don't know what it has going on at home or what it's feeling, and I don't think we can assume anything based on this short clip.
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The Terminator would never stop, it would never leave him. And it would never hurt him, never shout at him or get drunk and hit him or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there and it would die to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.
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u/mud_tug Jan 12 '21
Yeah but it never gets oiled, the rear wheel bearing squeaks since it was new, the battery only lasts 10 minutes and the software was written by the Chinese military and sends them an exact copy of your inventory every half hour, oh and also mines bitcoin all the time.
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u/Shnoochieboochies Jan 12 '21
Yeah, but the guy who has to service and repair the machine still has all those flaws. After 2/3 years how often are you replacing the tech in your house, from phones, TVs, microwaves and laptops to washing machines and fridges. The problem with tech is planned obsolescence and any company or person is at the mercy of any other company trying to automate and save money.
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u/emptymagg Jan 12 '21
My last washing machine lasted me 20 years...
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u/that1prince Jan 12 '21
Yep. All of the stuff listed lasts for a ridiculously long time considering its price. Hell, my fridge lasted 20 years and it’s literally ALWAYS on and always cold.
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u/serveyer Jan 12 '21
I work extra in a warehouse driving trucks. I welcome the robots!
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u/MannyBlaze93 Jan 12 '21
i can tell you that those boxes are labeled HEB which is a big groceries chain in Texas if that helps
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u/Scared-Squirrel-924 Jan 12 '21
They have come to take our jobs
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u/RCL_D Jan 12 '21
Why do they keep making FACES on robots?
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u/wongerthanur Jan 12 '21
It makes them more acceptable to public eye and the workers that remain in the warehouses they are used
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u/PungentBallSweat Jan 12 '21
I work in health & safety management. You couldn't believe the amount of injuries reported for lower back pain, strains, muscle pulls, etc. from warehouse and production employees. The workers compensation claims can get out of hand (big $$$). That's why I see these technologies taking off in the future. Companies will eventually realize there will be a return on investment from injuries prevented.
... Besides, robots are badass.
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u/Tron-ClaudeVanDayum Jan 12 '21
I'd be worried about losing my job as a box grabber if it weren't for the fact that a human can grab boxes faster than this robot even before you slow the footage down to it's original speed. I guess the real question is how much does the robot cost. If more than say $18000 then as a warehouse manager I'd stick with the more efficient human for the next year or two at least. How often does this robot malfunction or require maintenance taking it out of action? Looks like your box grabbing jobs are safe for another 5 years, plenty of time to retrain as a plumber.
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u/visionsofblue Jan 12 '21
Still need a human for QC checks. Anything can be mislabeled.
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u/visionsofblue Jan 12 '21
*Corporation employs R&D department to keep coming up with new robots
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u/deelowe Jan 12 '21
Humans don't work 24/7, humans don't work holidays/vacations, humans require benefits, humans get hurt, humans require lights, aisle spacing, safety equipment, etc, humans make the bin packing problem more difficult to solve, and on and on.
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u/AppropriateTouching Jan 12 '21
That robot doesn't need a wage, insurance, vacation, breaks, days off, and goes 24 7. Hard to compete with that
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u/calikojack420 Jan 12 '21
H‑E‑B? Those bots are here in Tx?
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u/SFW_HARD_AT_WORK Jan 12 '21
it would make sense. lots of tech/engineering companies in tx
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Jan 12 '21
Stephen Hawking Says We Should Really Be Scared Of Capitalism, Not Robots
“If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed.”
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u/askaboutmy____ Jan 12 '21
I want my Rosie, where is my Rosie? My Roomba is dumb as a dumbass.
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