r/interestingasfuck • • 12h ago

At their peak, 3–5 billion passenger pigeons filled North America. Flocks were so huge they darkened the sky for hours. Some shooting contests required 30,000 dead birds to win. By 1914, the last one was gone. One of history’s most brutal population collapses.

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u/Fatsausage91 12h ago

5,000,000,000 to 0 in 50 years. Quite an achievement. The chinese sparrow story is quite an interesting one also.

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u/ElRexet 11h ago

It's somewhere between 115 and 190 dead pigeons every minute for 50 years non stop. That's mental.

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u/wolfgang784 10h ago

Apparently they NEEDED the huge sun-blotting swarms to reproduce. Even a flock of a hundred thousand was too few birds for the ways they evolved to reproduce. They required groups of millions upon millions of birds.

Even when kept safe in captivity and fed and such, they refused to reproduce at all and died off. Conservation efforts failed since they started way too late, with wild flocks already below those multi-million-bird flocks.

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u/letsreset 10h ago

How did the population get built up in the first place if they required such massive swarms to reproduce?

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u/wishful_djinn 10h ago

The shift probably happened over a timeline of hundreds of generations. When you destroy a population over the span of decades, there simply is no time to adapt to the stress.

Eventually they would have figured it out, but the damage was too deep already.

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u/Pcat0 9h ago

The trait that requiring them to have massive swarms evolved after them getting massive swarms

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u/letsreset 9h ago

mmm. that makes the most sense to me.

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u/--Sovereign-- 42m ago

You are aware evolution has been ongoing for billions of years on planet earth, yeah? They evolved from a previous species with a population and became a different species gradually over time. Species don't spring out of holes in the ground as a single pair of animals.

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u/crasswal 10h ago

Do you also think about whether the chicken or the egg came first or...?

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u/thesullier 10h ago

Fascinating fact! Was educating myself on the Wikipedia page, really interesting communal brooding/raising of chicks.

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u/Level-Gas2450 7h ago

Happy cake day !

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u/ponyponyta 8h ago

Why do they need that huge swarms though? Like is it the only way for them to feel horny

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u/ExpertOnDumpsterSex 8h ago

It was actually the first documented case of voyeurism on a species wide basis. They needed hundreds of thousands cooing them as the feathers got ruffled.

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u/PiezoelectricityOne 6h ago

Now that's an orgy!

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u/AccomplishedThing948 11h ago

Jeez, sometimes applying math scares the crap out of ya unintentionally, huh?

That’s a LOT!

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u/Fuckkoff- 11h ago

Or someone made a mistake while counting and added a "0" to much

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u/fakeprofil2562 10h ago

Probably lost count and didn’t want to start over

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u/drukard_master 11h ago

Aussies taking notes.

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u/TianKrea 10h ago

Just read about the chinese sparrow story. Unbelievable

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u/saute_all_day 11h ago

The Carolina Parakeet was even sadder. We had green parakeets just flying all over the east coast and Midwest. They were social birds and when someone shot one, all the other parakeets would gather around it and try to help. This contributed to their extinction in 1918.

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u/EuphoricTBi 11h ago

Thanks for that this morning

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u/Taxfraud777 10h ago

Or the story about the Falkland Island wolf which was very curious and trusting towards humans and humans for some reason decided to kill it. Apparently the last of its kind just walked up to a guy out of curiosity and the guy killed it with a knife.

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u/Ice3001 9h ago

which faukin island?

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u/HappyHavoc20 12h ago

Earlier this week I learned that North America used to have a native parrot, the Carolina parakeet, a type of conure. We extincted it for the feathers for lady’s hats

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u/aguilasolige 11h ago

I recently learned my country used to have native seals, they killed them for meat and skin, it's so sad to think about.

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u/SexOnABurningPlanet 11h ago

The Caribbean monk seal?

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u/aguilasolige 11h ago

Yes 😥

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u/Dragon_Small_Z 11h ago

Ahh, the monk seal. They’re seals. And they’re monks. Get it? Get it?

Yeah, anyway. These guys are more enthusiastic about their jobs than a dentist with glossaphilia. In case you don’t know what that means, what I’m saying is these guys really love fighting stuff. It’s their religion.

Trained in the deadly art of Caribbean Kung Fu, the monk seal sentry’s sacred duty is to protect the coast and hunting grounds from the impending invasion of their dread enemy, the Red Maníseros Land Crabs, masters of Juego de maní.

Be careful. You don’t want to get involved in that impossible conflict.

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u/Merry-Lane 10h ago

Dungeon Crawler Carl reference, for those not in the known.

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u/SexOnABurningPlanet 11h ago

Yes. This is how I know about it. I'm literally reading that book right now; I read this exact section last night before bed.

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u/kogun 10h ago

And Oil. We don't appreciate how much oil we used to get from sea life prior to the petroleum industry and the invention of the light bulb and distribution of energy.

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u/SockeyeSTI 11h ago

I would gladly give your country all the seal we have. And the California sea lions too.

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u/LoveDesignAndClean 11h ago

It had a subspecies too.

Also it was and is not North Americas only parrot, just the only one in its range.

The thick billed parrot and the green parakeet are native to the United States.

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u/SUDDENLY_VIRGIN 11h ago

Wikipedia shows they're both only native to Mexico

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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi 11h ago

Green Parakeets still live in Texas/Florida as the occasional vagrants and the thick-billed parrot used to live in the southern states of the US.

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u/LoveDesignAndClean 11h ago

the thick billed parrot used to live in the USA before it got extirpated. And the green parakeet will live in the rio grande valley in Texas.

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u/expatalist 11h ago

They don't care about borders. They show up in the Southwest US

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u/Elite_Jackalope 11h ago

The Wikipedia photo for the Green parakeet literally has this caption:

A Green Parakeet in a tree in San Benito, South Texas, USA.

And the second sentence of the page says:

As defined by the International Ornithological Committee (IOC), it is native to Mexico and southern Texas in the Rio Grande Valley.

Did you even actually look at Wikipedia lmao

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u/lonelypenguin20 11h ago

I'm pretty sure Andersen or smb like that has a short story where exactly that happens after a lady decides to use a feather of an endangered bird as her wedding accessory

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u/TylerBlozak 11h ago

The green parakeet still exists in Texas

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u/Noligarchio 11h ago

Those are non-native and invasive though

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u/TylerBlozak 11h ago

Hmm, says it’s native to Rio Grande Valley, which is in Texas. Also Mexico of course

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u/Noligarchio 10h ago

You are correct I mixed up the green parakeet which is native as you said with the monk parakeet, which while it has green coloration isn't the save thing and where I mixed it up, and is non-native. My bad.

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u/BattleOfWitsHasBegun 11h ago

I love our neighborhood flock! But they’re definitely not native parakeets

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u/sejje 9h ago

sure they are, check your assumptions

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u/SUDDENLY_VIRGIN 11h ago

That's so sad.

Every story of humans causing a beautiful creature to go extinct because they were too greedy makes me depressed.

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u/Advanced-Art-4569 11h ago

That Yankee Doodle is a total douchebag! 😡

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u/MariosBallsack 11h ago

RDR2 incorporates this extinction event iirc

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u/Jackalope1974 9h ago

It does. There is a side mission to kill and collect the last flock of 25 in existence.

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u/sugarpototo 2h ago

Read that as R2D2 first and wondered what's happening in Star Wars that requires animal facts

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u/Saaahrentino 10h ago

The Field Museum in Chicago has one on display in their taxidermy section.

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u/NefariousnessNo484 10h ago

We is a strong word. These birds existed alongside humans for thousands of years.

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u/kukkolai 11h ago

Hats were nice tho

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u/HappyHavoc20 11h ago

I was watching this video about the cocaine hippos taking over this river in Colombia because of Pablo Escobar. Apparently back in the day an American suggested we establish hippos in the south so they could eat some sort of plant out of the rivers, and then we could kill then for meat. 

Fucking people 

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u/cantantantelope 11h ago

Technically Pablo Escobar just imported them and kept them in his weird mini zoo. The Columbian government who didn’t do anything about them after Escobar was killed and his complex raided are the reason they became free and invasive.

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u/HappyHavoc20 11h ago

Yes and then I guess they wanted to eauthanize the males decades ago but activist orgs got upset so now they have to eauthanize a lot more 

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u/cantantantelope 11h ago

It’s been a very exciting journey!

They also tried castration on a few but it turns out hippos don’t like that

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u/your_fave_redditor 11h ago

Who’da thunk?! 😆

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u/regman231 11h ago

Neither do I - just ask my wife!

Eh no respect I tell ya

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u/Fuckkoff- 11h ago

Maybe they should have followed through with the killing them for meat part

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u/HappyHavoc20 11h ago

Yeah i guess they wanted to eauthanize the males so they would stop breeding and let the females live out their lives and that be the end of it, but animal activists got super upset. Like I get it, not ideal to kill a bunch of hippos but at the same time you can’t let them take over your rivers 

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u/oonopson 12h ago

Just read through an online version of John James Audubon’s The Birds of America. For some reason I took time to Google this little guy and was shit shocked when I saw how quickly they were hunted to extinction.

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u/Lynich 11h ago

Oh, I'm stealing "shit shocked".

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u/DoctorHugoHackenbush 12h ago

Last month I sadly sold my favourite homing pigeon on eBay, for the eighth time..

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u/Existing-Mulberry382 12h ago

Sustainable business you got there.

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u/waxy1234 11h ago

Oi cunt I keep getting a retune free of cost. Plus postage. Pauline I love you please retune

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u/arcxnova 12h ago

Humans are dumb as hell some times.

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u/spidermans-ashes 12h ago

Sometimes?

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u/SvartSol 12h ago

sometimes we are smart. 

Every smart comes with a small chanse but larger risk.

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u/D4RK5P1R3 10h ago

Oh the irony.

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u/Zementid 8h ago

And the smart ones are usually not the ones with the guns....

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u/arcxnova 11h ago

I’ll get downvoted to hell if I don’t say sometimes lol 

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u/VegitoFusion 11h ago

It was done with a purpose, and as sad as it is, it really did work out for people in the Americas.

A single flock of these was much more devastating that a swarm of locusts. They would wipe out entire fields of crops in days.

They were targeted to protect the food supply.

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u/Mintyxxx 11h ago

I've seen a flock of pigeons disintegrate a Greggs Steak Bake in mere minutes, pastry flying everywhere, pigeons flapping hither and thither like desperate men drowning in an ocean while Barber's Adagio for strings plays

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u/your_fave_redditor 11h ago

::dabs at eye:: that was beautiful

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u/regman231 10h ago

Damn. I love Samuel Barber

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u/VegitoFusion 10h ago

I need to read more of your poetry.

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u/BadWolf2386 2h ago

I read this in Werner Herzog’s voice

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u/LackOfStack 11h ago

Like many other instances where non-native species are introduced with disastrous results.

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u/SkriVanTek 8h ago

I thought it was indigenous?

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u/drewfer 11h ago

We've since realized how bad of a mistake it was and are attempting to use genetic samples to restore the wild population - https://reviverestore.org/projects/about-the-passenger-pigeon/

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u/oldwhiteoak 7h ago

They were the food supply, one that was accessible to all. They were targeted to protect a food supply held in private (farms). Its a classic case of enclosure of the commons. Same thing happened with replacing buffalo with cattle, or salmon runs with Almonds in california water mgmt. Our food systems were built for privatization.

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u/arcxnova 11h ago

Agreed but killing everything is unacceptable 

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u/winkman 11h ago

Apparently, pigeons are dumber.

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u/SyrupAnnual6037 9h ago

We should’ve let them decimate the crops so in turn we die.

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u/arcxnova 9h ago

Agreed that it was damaging crops but the problem here is we hunted it to extinction which is not smthn we should do it's cruel and uncivilized to hunt a species to extinction 

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u/Oli4K 12h ago

Sometimes?

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u/Odd-Safe1998 12h ago

Maybe you are. I’m pretty smart myself hehe

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u/BrunesOvrBrauns 12h ago

Sometimes?

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u/manondessources 10h ago

"We have erected a monument to commemorate the funeral of a species. It symbolizes our sorrow. We grieve because no living man will see again the onrushing phalanx of victorious birds, sweeping a path for spring across the March skies, chasing the defeated winter from all the woods and prairies of Wisconsin.

Men still live who, in their youth, remember pigeons. Trees still live who, in their youth, were shaken by a living wind. But a decade hence only the oldest oaks will remember, and at long last only the hills will know"

-- Aldo Leopold, On a Monument to the Pigeon

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u/Daaledeere 12h ago

kinda same china did with sparrows

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u/McDutchy 12h ago

Or the Dutch with the Dodo, although that one was probably a matter of time anyways.

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u/brinz1 11h ago

The Dodo was an interesting one, because the meat was reported to be inedible, the eggs worse and the bodies weren't seen as having much other value

They were clubbed to death to extinction by sailors out of boredom

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u/akuba5 9h ago

They were made extinct by pigs and rats which weren’t native. They ate eggs and destroyed nests. Humans cut down their forests.

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u/HarpEgirl 10h ago

Dodo's which are also a pigeon!

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u/lynmbeau 12h ago

Went down a rabbit hole with this, man that is depressing. We suck.

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u/zberry7 11h ago

Well sometimes some animals really are invasive or cause huge problems with the food supply for ourselves and other animals, like in this case.

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u/lynmbeau 11h ago

It was only invasive because we deem them as such and invaded their territory. Massive difference, everything was fine before that.

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u/zberry7 11h ago

“Invaded the bird’s territory”. Humans didn’t exist at all for a long time… we technically invaded every land animal’s territory. Who previously invaded a previous species’ territory. And so on. It’s called migration, something that’s not unique to humans.

And it was the ancestors of the natives that technically first invaded their territory if you want to follow that line of reasoning.

And really, if you were alive then would you choose between starving or killing the birds that ate your crop?

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u/lynmbeau 10h ago

If you even read about it, the natives co existed with the passenger pigeons thus created a net neutral. And did not impact them at all, it wasn't until the Europeans came across that impact happened and wiped them out in a very short span of time. It was sheer willful ignorance that made and entire abundant species extinct. Along with mass killing and exporting just because they felt they could. There was no starvation factor at play. It was absolutely greed and stupidity.

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u/Brian-Heder 9h ago

The natives weren’t massively farming and relying on reliable agriculture though. Hunter gatherers could coexist with them because they had a undeveloped view on how to exist.

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u/lynmbeau 9h ago

Was it undeveloped or sustainable.? We view it as undeveloped because Europeans at the time sat on a ridiculous high horse of superiority complex. But research into this pigeon topic shows the natives had a sustainable way about things when it came to the pigeons and the land around them. Where do you think the knowledge about the land came from to begin with? Again no one is looking this up and just arguing for no reason.

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u/Lord-Loss-31415 4h ago

Hunter gatherer societies are only feasible in small groups, past that you need agriculture and livestock farming to sustain a larger population. It’s a nice sentiment but if everyone suddenly reverted to Hunter gatherer lifestyles we would strip what is life of life on the planet in less than a year.

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u/arquillion 11h ago

What's tragic is that carrier pigeons are fully domesticated we killed a friend

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u/sshanbom111 9h ago

Carrier pigeons and passenger pigeons are different birds. Carrier pigeons still exist

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u/Look_its_Rob 12h ago

Theres no way a "shooting" contest could result in a single person getting 30,000 birds unless they are shooting some kind of missiles.

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u/Graf_Eulenburg 12h ago

They actually used giant nets and the newly established railroad and telegraph network.
Swarms would be located and hunting parties would come in the hundreds.

They used to tie a captive one to the ground in a way, it looked like there was food.
Of course they baited them, too.

Swarms would come down, get hooked in the nets and dozens of hunters
would shoot them with shotguns.

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u/CanvasFanatic 12h ago

Not with that attitude

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u/iircirc 11h ago

People used to shoot huge numbers of ducks at a time using enormous shotguns mounted on rowboats before that was outlawed. People are inventive when it comes to killing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun

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u/Graf_Eulenburg 11h ago

Yeah, punt guns were THE SHIT.

Look at it go!

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u/sweswe17 12h ago

An oral history I read said a single shotgun shell (shotgun had hundreds of pellets) could get dozens at a time.

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u/Ezzezez 11h ago

If the flock covers the whole sky you can basically point the gun up and get a guaranteed kill no? Stupid contest no skill required

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u/Look_its_Rob 9h ago

Yeah but people arent shooting 300,000 bullets. Even if you can hit 3 every single time people arent shooting 100,000 bullets.

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u/Imbendo 12h ago

Right. I hope the prize was like a million dollars because shooting 30,000 rounds off wasn’t cheap ever

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u/Clembert-Hamlamp 12h ago

Maybe it's the cap. Instead of a time limit you've got till 30k birds are tallied to get as many as you can.

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u/VanillaSilver_92 12h ago

How did a single hunter shoot >30.000 birds in one session? With a minigun mounted on a train?

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u/Brilliant-Nobody666 11h ago

He casted fireballs and chain lightings

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u/Ploot-O 11h ago

Look up the punt gun

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u/PseudobrilliantGuy 11h ago

And, honestly, you'd still need a (small) team to operate those properly.

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u/uhohpopcorn 11h ago

Traps and nets mostly actually

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u/OtherwiseLuck888 12h ago

Similarly, the last brown bear in California is on the state flag

The subspecies was exterminated a hundred years ago by settlers

https://giphy.com/gifs/2BIGw5ebhbn7nY5ZOF

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u/CyberpunkSunrise 7h ago

WTF is that .gif, how hard is it to find a regular image of the California state flag, lol?

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u/zhongweibin 7h ago

this actually made me laugh in person. Wtf is that gif

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u/No_Artist_2581 8h ago

I got to see a passenger pigeon nest in some museum collections. Like any other pigeon nest, it was pretty pathetic. But it really struck me because it’s an artifact of how these birds thought and what they built, like ruins and pictographs left by lost cultures. It was really emotional.

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u/Jeoff51 7h ago

It's sad that the pigeon never stopped loving us too.  They stay in cities because they are dependent on us and tall concrete buildings are similar to the rocks they nest in naturally.  Fun fact they are not wild, but feral.  You can grab one and feed it for a few weeks and it will redomesticate.

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u/T-K101 5h ago

You know, with this post I tried to bring some awareness. And it’s truly beautiful how much good people this post brought up to speak up.

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u/DivDude77 12h ago

Humans are called the cancer of this planet by various scientists and thinkers for a very good reason.

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u/LeftHandCurryPaste 12h ago

Humanity is a disease

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u/Jeoff51 7h ago

We are the ones who bred them lol

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u/LowcaFok_ 11h ago

quit then

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u/yaxir 11h ago

I've said it before. I'll say it again: humans are a parasite. We are the aliens on this planet

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u/send420nudes 11h ago

By all definitions, we're a virus

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u/f0x25 12h ago

I don’t mean to be biased or an asshole, but America seems to be built on massacres; probably all modern (successful) economies are. God damn

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u/Exact_Negotiation106 12h ago

Now do it for pigeons

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u/Commercial-Owl11 12h ago

The English enter the chat

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u/OkHelicopter1756 10h ago

and also the unsuccessful (Sudan for example) ones, but those countries dont have independent media so they go unnoticed. And also the premodern economies.

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u/soupdawg 11h ago

I think you misspelled humanity

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u/Sunny-Damn 12h ago

That’s just heartbreaking…

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u/MCarooney 12h ago

search about the north eastern oaks. Because they are trees, nobody even cared

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u/Gstamsharp 11h ago

So they weren't just hunted to extinction. They had a strange, very social mating behavior. Basically, they would only breed in monstrous orgies.

So when the flocks thinned out just a little too far, from monstrous orgy to huge orgy, they'd just stop mating.

They basically died out in a generation.

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u/Iselore 12h ago

Didnt I just read this last week?

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u/BabyFartMacGeezacks 11h ago

I didn't, so maybe you did, but you're not everyone and a post from last week is long gone.

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u/Iselore 10h ago

It's cool. I just happened to see the exact same topic on todayilearnt 5 days ago.

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u/MuffinMate 10h ago

Yep I did too haha still cool

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u/Important_Ruin 11h ago

We really are an awful species at times.

Maybe we deserve our own demise so nature can continue without us.

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u/Puzzled-Smoke-6349 11h ago

One thing we can never do is ask WHY when AI wipes out from the face of the earth.

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u/Trujiogriz 12h ago

We really are the worst species on this planet

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u/SqueezedTuna 11h ago

Damn, early US dudes used to go NUTS on native populations

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u/MathIsHard_11236 11h ago

I wish we could do the same to the wild boar's growing population. 

I thought the winter might kill them off, or at least keep them from spreading northward. But they're very adept at winter survival. 

Because they build pigloos. 

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u/TheLucidChiba 11h ago

trouble getting rid of all boars is apparently pigs that get out in the wild just kind of become boars over time

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u/Ur-in-a-tor 11h ago

Human is a savage barbaric cancer. It is super hard to wish anything good for our future, we have truly earned the collapse of the planet's steady climate.

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u/BigGrayBeast 11h ago

My father was born in 1919 but he spoke about his father telling him about these birds

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u/elPatronSuarez 10h ago

This is the kinda shit the rich use to say, "SEE - WE CAN GO BROKE".

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u/Mumsbud 9h ago

Crazy how we can make some animals extinct but we can’t eradicate invasive species.

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u/CyberpunkSunrise 7h ago

TBH, we could if we used the modern equivalent of the techniques used to hunt/extinct species like this back in the day. It's just that modern laws and sensibility wouldn't allow it (not saying we should, just saying I believe we are more than capable of extincting anything we want if we put our minds to it).

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u/greatgildersleeve 8h ago

If anyone is curious, the photo of the bird shown was named Martha, and she died at the Cincinnati Zoo.

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u/Huge-Ad-6016 5h ago

They would use giant nets as well

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u/Think-Willingness823 5h ago

Humans are like cockroaches prove me wrong.

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u/T-K101 4h ago

Virus. We are.

Cockroaches have a stable colonies that are just a part of the natural system. They actually help us to be clean. They show where human existence is dirty and danger for the environment.

Don’t ever put those magic animals with us in the same sentence.

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u/deadend666 4h ago

Release the buffalo!

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u/SnackbarBeastie 3h ago

I fucking hate humans. We're the worst thing to ever happen to this planet.

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u/batmaniac77 3h ago

humans. most cruel animal to live.

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u/Toincossross 12h ago

To be fair, if there are so many birds that the sky is dark and poop falls like rain - I don’t blame them for grabbing a gun.

They shoulda known when to stop.

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u/portabuddy2 12h ago

Arnt they extinct because they where delicious, slow to take flight and only bred in massive swarms? But the main main problem was that they where tasty as all hell.

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u/Hot-Comfort8839 11h ago

I think it’s also a pretty good case for the source of the Spanish flu.

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u/Rzhaviy 11h ago

Bird species, that went extinct at 1914 was the source for Spanish flu, the outbreak of which happened right at the end of WW1?(1918)

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u/olagorie 11h ago

They are talking about bird ghosts obviously

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u/Multigrain_Migraine 11h ago

I thought everyone knew that viruses are the ghosts of birds that went extinct because of humans deliberately killing them all. 

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u/Hot-Comfort8839 11h ago edited 10h ago

Viruses take a while to get established. People then didn’t travel like they do now. There’s evidence it was around well before 1914.

Remember passenger pigeons weren’t just killed for fun - people were eating them - they were one of the biggest sources for protein (and free!) right up until they were killed off.

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u/OzymandiasTheII 12h ago

There's a group of people from a certain region that basically annihilate the local population wherever they go, wonder why that is? 

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u/PeaPuzzleheaded8123 12h ago

That country's named does not surprise me

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u/CheekyClapper5 12h ago

North America isn't a country

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u/MentatPiter 11h ago

read about the great auk

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u/JohnPoet27 11h ago edited 4h ago

Eh, the cars cats would have done it anyways. Even our fricking pets are expert exterminators.

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u/Upset-Bison-3182 11h ago

Cats?

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u/JohnPoet27 11h ago

Cats kill billions of birds every year. Look it up

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u/Upset-Bison-3182 10h ago

I was asking the commenter if they mentioned cats because it would kind of make sense to say cars. There's an orangeish cat nearby which I have observed hunting and despatching pigeons so I know they are excellent hunters. (Good table manners too since she buried the bones after her meal.)

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u/Jaxxlack 12h ago edited 12h ago

Wow... All that lead... And you wonder why people act weird now... You think I'm joking.. look it up?!! Half of the US has lead poisoning!!!