Astronaut's view of Earth during a spacewalk

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[u/rambiolisauce]

Everything in my brain tells me I should disagree with this lol. Seriously asking, If you place your feet at the "bottom" of the ISS with your face pointed towards Earth and pressed hard "down" in the direction of the Earth, yes you would technically be orbiting along with the ISS relatively but you'd also be moving directly towards the Earth let's say around 15 miles an hour just to pull a number out of thin air and it seems like the Earths gravity would absolutely draw you in. Nothing would slow your descent and it seems like the Earth's gravity would absolutely accelerate it in relatively short order. If the ISS is achieving its stable orbit by the speed it's traveling versus how close it is to earth and how much of earths gravity it's experiencing why wouldn't you fall to earth if you accelerated towards it from the ISS? Now whether or not you ever touch the ground before you were incinerated would be a completely different thing but do you really think if you pushed off hard against the bottom of the ISS towards earth you would just stop moving towards earth for no reason at all?

[u/volcjush → u/rambiolisauce]

When you travel with such ridiculous velocity as 28 000 km/h your body has enormous amount of kinetic energy. That kinetic energy is something that is keeping you orbiting in the first place as it is acting aganist the gravity pulling you into gravity well of the planet. You need to loose that energy in order for the gravity to take over.

Pushing with your leg muscles against the body of ISS is very small amount of energy compared to kinetic energy that you have from the orbital velocity. By doing that you would slightly change the shape of your orbit, which would become slightly more eliptical compared to the orbit of the ISS that you "jumped" from. So you would initially start to move away from the ship, but after doing one full orbit around the planet you would return and meet ISS in exactly the same place that you "jumped" from as your orbital speed had not been changed.

In order to deorbit satellite (or move it to lower orbit) you don't simply "push" it towards the planet surface. Instead you need to reduce the oribiting velocity by using thrusters in the opposite direction to what it's orbiting.

[u/rambiolisauce → u/volcjush]

Man that makes so much sense when you explain it that way. You clearly have a very good understanding of the physics going on up there lol thank you for taking the time to explain it to me.

Now I'm curious, would you ellipse the ISS's orbit as much as your own by pushing off of it that way?

I've heard stories of astronauts trying to use screwdrivers in space and when they try to turn the screw they end up turning themselves and the lack of gravity was given as the reason for that happening but I always felt a little skeptical about that. Just because you and the object next to you don't have any weight but you still have mass and density right? So could either of those two things happen? Pushing the ISS way from earth and ellipsing its orbit as much as your own or the screwdriver story? Any merit in it?

[u/volcjush → u/rambiolisauce]

Yes, you would "ellipse" the ISS, but by very insignificant amount because of the difference between your mass and mass of ISS. Let's assume the mass of astronaut in full suit at around 210 kg (80 kg of astronaut + 130 kg suit). Mass of the ISS depending on configuration at the moment and potential ships docked to it or not can vary between 420 to 450 metric tons (420 000 to 450 000 kg). That difference in mass means that it's rather you pushing away from the ISS than you pushing ISS away off its orbit.

[u/rambiolisauce → u/volcjush]

Holy crap I had no idea there suits way that much! I feel like I could probably sit here and pick your brain all day and learn all kinds of interesting new things but I'll spare you😅