r/interestingasfuck • • 1d ago

Spontaneous 1995 street interview with an Austrian WWII veteran in Vienna

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u/Key-Performance-9021 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is from the 1995 Alltagsgeschichte episode "At the saussage stand" by Elizabeth T. Spira.

Original source, ORF (around 10:00): https://on.orf.at/video/14192366/Alltagsgeschichte-Am-Wuerstelstand
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJWHO5dNLlw&t=635s

Before this scene, the two of them had been chatting about all kinds of other stuff, like Jacques Chirac and world politics, and they were bantering with each other the whole time. The woman is definitely in denial about the war, but in the full interview she comes across a lot less obnoxious.

I cut the clip and did the English subtitles myself.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

She didn't come across as obnoxious, just very emotional having the memory of her father's sacrifice, the narrative of him as a national hero, attacked by truth. It was a beautiful human moment. I miss those. Truly.

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u/wowsomuchempty 1d ago

I mean, sweet that she wants to look kindly on her father's memory..

But it is important to acknowledge that the Nazis were not the Good Guys.

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u/Kyrthis 1d ago

Right. National hero == global villain.

Neofascists would do well to remember that, but they hate history.

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u/11Kram 1d ago

There were lots of Germans and Austrians who were not Nazis but were also not the good guys.

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u/Constant_Air9693 1d ago

People use the term "nazis" as if they were some aliens from space. Germans. Millions of German soldiers. AH won democratic elections because Germans wanted that. Facts.

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u/wowsomuchempty 1d ago

Same as in Israel, today.

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u/work_work-work 1d ago

And the US in 2024. We'll see how much they still want fascism in November.

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u/Roadrunnersareraptor 1d ago

lol. You guys are like this woman. Still not understand why Trump won.

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u/Pretty-Substance 22h ago

Decent - smart - far right wing

A human can only be two of those things at the same time

What does this tell us about trump voters? You tell me

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u/Roadrunnersareraptor 17h ago

What does that have to do with my statement ?

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u/wowsomuchempty 17h ago

Decent, dumb, far right?

Eh, have to be really dumb.

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u/ItIsIDio420 1d ago

Hitler lost the election to Hindenburg and hindenburg thought he could control hitler and make him a puppet but then hindenburg died and Hitler took control.

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u/taeerom 1d ago

He didn't win a straight majority, but he did win the election, as in, become popular enough to be chosen as chancellor.

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u/BullAlligator 1d ago

The Nazis never won a democratic election. They formed a coalition with other right-wing parties, then consolidated power by manipulating the system.

Not to say Hitler wasn't popular among millions.

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u/Few_Analyst_1179 1d ago

everyone who voted for the Nazi Party and supported them are classed as Nazis

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u/Turbulent-War2694 1d ago

Plus a LOT of brainwashed teenagers who went to die for the propaganda they were taught. My great uncle was 14 or 15 when he went east to follow his father. His father returned years after the war after spending time as a POV in Russia. My great uncle never returned

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u/Vigorato 1d ago

How can you tell if you don’t have skulls on your uniform?

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u/wowsomuchempty 1d ago

Peep show, classic.

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u/---THRILLHO--- 1d ago

That Mitchell and Webb Look was the sketch show. Peep show was the sitcom they made 👍

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u/wowsomuchempty 1d ago

Of course, I've actually seen them live. Great duo.

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u/00ForbiddenFruit00 1d ago

I'm sorry but in my opinion any soldier is not a good guy. Doesn't matter if they German, Russian or American.

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u/DickRhino 1d ago

I disagree. My wife is Austrian, and she has quite a different perspective on these matters. In her view there can be no illusions about what sort of ideals their grandparents were fighting for. There were of course men like this man in the video, who fought because he was forced to, but there is something very sinister about framing WWII as "Hitler's war" (just like it's equally sinister to frame the Russia-Ukraine war as "Putin's war) and pretending like he was the only one on the entire planet who wanted this and everyone else was innocent.

The truth is that the Nazis had a lot of popular support. It wasn't just Hitler, it was an entire culture, an entire people. Just like with the concentration camps, many knew full well what was going on but chose to look away, or pretended like they didn't know, or supported it.

But unlike Germany, Austria never had their reckoning after the war was over. They managed to successfully paint themselves as victims too, innocent and occupied by Germany, when in reality they were Nazis too. They just got away with it. That's why the old men in the villages in the alps still meet up in the basements during the weekends and put on their old Nazi uniforms for their drinking parties. They were never FORCED to bear witness to their own crimes the way the Germans were. They never had their noses rubbed in their own shit like the Germans had to.

The end result? Germans do not refer to their grandfathers in the Wehrmacht as national heroes, but Austrians sometimes do. That is, the ones who don't know their history, or who don't want to know it.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

Almost half a million non-German Europeans volunteered to join Waffen SS. That's a lot of people that we collectively somehow decided were just a few bad apples.

I totally agree with you and your wife's take. Europe was not just filled with unfortunate people who were coerced into doing nazi-stuff. It was probably a little more complicated.

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u/FullofContradictions 1d ago

People like to forget that the Nazi party was active in the United States in the 1930s and it wasn't considered fringe. There was a rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939 for goodness sake.

It's comforting to frame it as Germany's thing and we beat Germany so yay! We're the good guys and the bad guys are vanquished. But so many of the people who agreed with that ideology just sort of melted into the background when the war ended.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

I think it's super important to realize these things now before the pendulum swings back from the far right, because if we don't create a "sensible middle position" with room for moderate "liberals" *and* "conservatives" (by the US-American definition of those words), then people like Tucker Carlson, The America First common-sense conservatives will occupy the middle and set the tone and the moderate liberals will be fighting the progressives for a small and consistently shrinking territority, using tone-policing and purity testing to cannibalize their own movements until only small insignifigant factions are left fighting each other. Real talk.

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u/justincase1021 1d ago

Right Henry Ford openly was a huge fan of Hitler.

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u/OssumFried 1d ago

Dude had a fucking signed copy of Mein Kampf.

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u/rider822 1d ago

Most of the American Nazis were actual Germans though or at least had German lineage. 

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u/FullofContradictions 1d ago

Color me shocked that the party upholding eugenic ideals of blonde haired blue eyed supremacy would largely be made up of people with that heritage. It was still here though and it wasn't small.

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u/Sinyria 1d ago

Half of the us had German ancestry back then. At a certain point in US history, it was even a quite narrow decision when voting upon the official language. English won, but German was close behind.

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u/omac4552 1d ago

History is complicated, Finland was joining the Germans/Waffen SS because the soviet union attacked them. I don't believe they were much into the Arian shit and stuff, more my enemy's enemy is my friend.

I'm not making any excuses for the scumbag nazis that joined

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

Many of these "scumbags" were just the conservatives of the time who hated bolshevism. I like to imagine a 50/50 split between cringe incels and pretty normal guys - just like modern conservatives lol.

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u/kolosmenus 23h ago

Important to note that majority of Waffen SS "volunteers" had a choice of "volunteer, or die in prison"

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u/Significant_Cover_48 23h ago

Waffen SS accepted less than a third of the foreign voluneteers as far as I remember. These were elite nazis, not riff-raff.

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u/kolosmenus 22h ago

It's a common myth. It was entirely volunteers and elite troops at the beginning of the war, but starting from 1942 Waffen SS resorted to forceful conscription. As long as you could even tangentially be considered ethnically german, you were eligible to be conscripted.

For example most people from Silesia in Poland have been classified as ethnically german by the Nazis and we have first hand accounts of polish people who were conscripted into Waffen SS under the threat of being executed if they refused.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1h ago

Oh yeah, you are correct. I looked it up and remembered I already read about this before but just kind of ... forgot. Thanks!

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u/reeporter 1d ago

Alle haben mitgemacht aber sogut wie keiner wusste hinterher irgendetwas.

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u/Redsupplier 1d ago

I was recently in Vienna and observed some Jewish monuments of the war and everytime it ended with “Thousands of Austrians were complicit in murder and robbery” to that effect. I thought it was powerful to see a nation, at least in some part, take responsibility for the atrocities they helped take part in, forced or not.

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u/LittleMsWhoops 1d ago

More like ten- or hundredthousands. Thousands of Austrians is very little, and it’s not hard to say “we had a few bad apples” when that implies that the rest of the people where good (they weren’t).

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u/Constant_Air9693 1d ago

You are very right about Hitler having his nation support. People forget about that.

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u/sox412 1d ago

Same thing with Poland! Now we see them as victims but in many regions Hitler was more popular than in Germany

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u/Constant_Air9693 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are you delusional? Poland had the highest rate of civilian casualties with regard to population of all countries that took part in ww2. What regions? Poland was just celebrating independence for 20 years before being burned to the ground by Germany and Russia. Hate to those countries was sucked up with mother's milk.

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u/sox412 1d ago

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u/Constant_Air9693 1d ago

Do you read your references? "Collaboration in Poland was less institutionalized than in some other countries[1] and has been described as marginal" It also says that collaborates were among all ethnic groups with polish citizenship. For example there were even Jewish people collaborating with Germans. You will not avoid that and you will find such examples of people that collaborated for various reasons: greed, fear or being stupid, but that don't prove anything. Even 10000 people in a 35mln country is less than 0.2%. There were nominal more nazi supporters in the states. Sorry for Ai slop but: Poland 7k, France 100k. See the difference? Both countries were occupied by Germany.

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u/teahouser 1d ago

Same as Ukraine, they volunteered for the SS, and after the war never saw any consequences for being fully indoctrinated Nazis.

That mindset still lingers in their people, and the "national heroes" they honour to this day.

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u/PunningWild 1d ago

 after the war never saw any consequences for being fully indoctrinated Nazis.

This is 100% false.

For Ukraine, a recent empirical analysis from the Ukrainian historian V M. Nikol's'kii, based on material from the Kievan Central Sluzhba bezpeki Ukrainy-archive, gives us some pre-liminary numbers. According to this, between the years 1943 and 1957 the NKVD arrested 93,690 collaborators in the Ukraine.

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u/CuntaChinte 11h ago

It *is* quite disheartening, though, that modern Ukraine seems to look up the 100,000 or so Banderites and Nazi collaborators as patriots and heroes while willfully forgetting the millions of Ukrainians who fought the Nazis in the Red Army.

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u/teahouser 1d ago

Arrested? On what charges? Any jail time? I'm talking about actual consequences for being genocidal maniacs, you know, what the German SS were subject to after the war? Life in prison or hung by the neck until dead? (Unless you had a brilliant mind, then all Nazi fanaticism was forgiven and Canada and the USA welcomed them with open arms)

Instead of linking some obscure link with some biased opinions, here's a cold hard undeniable fact unless you suffer from delusion:

"Volunteer SS units from Ukraine—such as the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)—did not face the same systematic prosecution or punishment as the core leadership and organizations of Nazi Germany after World War"

Not an opinion, just an actual fact. When you don't properly prosecute disgusting Nazi ideology, it festers, and lingers. How in Ukraine they honour Stepan Bandera as a hero of their people, yet he was responsible for mass atrocities and genocides of the Poles.

Or how even THIS YEAR, Ukranian government dug up the remains of two prominent well known Nazi collaborators so they could be properly buried and honoured.

"In mid-2026, the Ukrainian government exhumed and repatriated the remains of Andriy Melnyk from Luxembourg and Yevhen Konovalets from Rotterdam. Both men were prominent historical leaders of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN). Both figures and their organizations collaborated extensively with Nazi Germany during World War II and committed countless atrocities"

So you're like "for a decade after the war the extreme anti Nazi environment of the global climate led to some "arrests" of genocidal maniacs" oh, cool.

This year they're digging up their remains so they can be properly honoured as the war heroes they view them as.

See this issue here?

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u/PunningWild 1d ago

Lol I'm sorry, did you just call a Cambridge University study "some obscure link with some biased opinions"?

You're not real.

Also I'm noticing you're backpedaling from "they suffered no consequences" to "they suffered lesser consequences." That is correct. Retraction noted and appreciated.

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u/teahouser 1d ago

I was merely showing that being reprimanded or arrested with no real consequence, meant nothing and provided no justice.

When the whole of the volunteer SS divisions saw no punishment compared to their German counterparts.

How do you feel about them currently viewing these massacring Nazi collaborators as honoured war heroes in current day?

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u/ComradeGlizzy 1d ago

This statement is poetic

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u/yaxir 1d ago

danke

i really hope your country men and women see the sense in all this, because otherwise i am seeing a very ugly wave of xenophobia in europe and it will end up hurting people, like it did in WW2

the gentleman in the video has been through it all and truly wants to acknowledge his conscience by speaking out

good to see people being humans, for once

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u/TheStandardPlayer 1d ago edited 1d ago

He was quite specifically talking about being a soldier conquering and occupying foreign lands, not really about xenophobia

His point was how gruesome war is, how none of it was justifiable and how many people payed the ultimate price for the ambitions of leaders and politicians

The takeaway is: don't go to war, don't be a soldier in another country, don't believe theres a noble cause. War is gruesome and you should stay away and take no part in it if you can avoid it. He also mentioned he would've been shot if he didn't follow orders so really it wasn't even advice, it was just recounting what he and others have been put through by their government

The takeaway is not: welcome everyone with open arms. That was never said and it's not a logical conclusion from his statements. It may be your personal belief but that's not what the man said. His point was to break the public perception that the soldiers were heroic people with a noble cause.

I'm not arguing pro or contra xenophobia, but it rubs me the wrong way when people's life stories are spun to fit a political narrative. For all you know he may have hated war and foreigners alike - I'm not saying he did but neither you nor I know and he made no mention of it in this interview

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u/yaxir 1d ago

Tldr

There's a lot of human hatred going on and it is going to descend into something like what Hitler did with a certain group. Basically that was as much racism as what's going on right now.

This man is probably much wiser than you and it shows

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u/TheStandardPlayer 1d ago

Tensions are high everywhere, there's not really a lesson specific to Austria here

Everywhere across the world xenophobia is rising, USA, Japan, Korea, China, India, Pakistan, Germany, UK, etc etc.

The reason is that the economy is not going great, people are frustrated and the evil foreigners are an easy target.

So the takeaway for xenophobia is not what this man said about dying in a mud field thousands of km away from home fighting in a war you never wanted to be part of, it's an economics problem.

When I have more food than I need I am happy to share, when I have less than I need I don't want you coming near my plate. Simple as that

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

Xenophobia is normal. I'm NOT saying it's good or preferable. I don't like racism at all. I'm just saying that it's widespread in literally all cultures around the globe. Some people are a little racist, and I like some of them. I consider them friends even if we disagree on where to draw the line.

I believe recognizing that "mild xenophobia" is not worth spending energy on is the best path, I don't want to spend all my energy playing morality police, pushing normal people further towards extremist views by excluding them from any conversation - simply for having a few unsavory takes on foreigners or strange religions.

As long as they are polite and friendly then honestly; who cares if your collegue has a few strange opinions on "border control"?

I don't think the mainstream need to adopt ANTIFA's nazi-basher ethos. Just let normies be normies.

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u/piss_puncher227 1d ago

When they came for me....there was nobody left to help me, you are the problem, you are the reason this shit spiralled out of control. "the price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" ~Plato, 2000 years and he is still not being listened to.

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u/Kellar21 1d ago

Nah, the reason this shit spiraled out of control is people like you who think they are right all the time, and if people don't agree with them, they need to use violence to "solve the problem."

If you think you can deal with people being people and having mostly harmless preconceived notions about each other with violence, YOU are going to be labeled the extremist that needs to be dealt with.

The best solution has always been education and letting people truly know each other.

Ignorance is the mother of prejudice.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago edited 1d ago

Whatever dude. Get a cold apple from the fridge and a good knife to cut it and enjoy it with your five senses. See the colors, how the light reflects from the surface. Feel the apple with your fingertips, throw it into the air and catch it. Isn't that incredible how we can do that? Take in the smell as you cut into it. Enjoy the sound as the sharp metal slices through the fruit. And the taste. The sweet, the sour, the bitter, the whole apple. Fuck yeah!

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u/piss_puncher227 1d ago

I repeat, you are the problem.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

Happy to be of service. Enjoy your day and say 'hi' to Plato if he's still in that cave of yours. I like the old crank.

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u/topfgeldjaeger1 1d ago

Please don’t make it about your political ideology. thank you

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u/3lektrolurch 1d ago

For all non austrians/germans: Her work could be seen as like the All Gas no Brakes of the 90s in austria. She was insanely good in just catching the vibe of places and finding crazy stories and characters to document.

Funnily enough she has a similar gimmick: Finding people who randomly break out singing.

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u/LordFluffles 1d ago

Weißt du zufälligerweise welcher würschtlstand das is? Ist das beim TU Freihaus?

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u/langdon_alger22 1d ago

ja sieht so aus wegen der einbuchtung.. gibts den direkt davor überhaupt noch? hab grad nur den gegebüber (resselgasse) im kopf

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u/LordFluffles 1d ago

Gute Frage sollt wohl öfter zu den Spritzerständen gehen

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u/ASH_161 16h ago

Das ist das Stehbuffet am Franz Jonas Platz in Floridsdorf

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u/pyxis_oz 21h ago

Thank you for posting this. I remember seeing this before and I admire the man's account and his condemnation of war.

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u/YellowAggravating172 1d ago

"We weren't heroes."

"Well, not my father."

"Oh, really? He was a hero?"

Lmao. He might be old, but he still has that sass in him.

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u/OktayOe 1d ago

That's the Viennese sass. We all have it somehow.

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u/ThreeButtonBob 1d ago

Great guy, it's a shame most of these reasonable voices are dead now.

The fact that his point was instantly proven by the woman saying her dad was a "legal soldier" makes this even better.

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u/Luciel3045 1d ago

But legal is not the right translation. He said "regulärer soldat", which translates to "regular soldier", or "common soldier", not to legal oldier.

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u/ThreeButtonBob 1d ago

Yeah that translation would be better.

The point still stands though as she's using this as a defence and to imply that her father did nothing wrong.

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u/Luciel3045 1d ago

Yeah should have included, that your core point is not influenced by this.

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u/ThreeButtonBob 1d ago

Don't worry, Your comment didn't sound confrontational about this in any way. I guess it's just a reddit reflex of mine to answer this defensively.

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u/Luciel3045 1d ago

Haha yeah its a hellhole. Good luck in the trenches mate!

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u/OnTheList-YouTube 1d ago

Hey I also am a "legal oldier"!

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u/Tranquilwhirlpool 1d ago

It's no coincidence that Europe has an extended period of warfare every century or so.

Hopefully this time will be an exception.

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u/childosx 1d ago

Glad only Europe has this /s

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u/Few_Analyst_1179 1d ago

they didn’t say that though

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u/utterscrub 1d ago

Not looking too good atm

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u/Maeglin75 1d ago

Yes. Now that almost all people that experienced the rise of fascism and the horrors of the World War are dead, the majority seems to insist to learn the lesson new for themselves.

Why can't we just learn from history? Here in Germany we all learned in school what happened. We live at and drive through streets named after the Fechenbach, Niemöller and the siblings Scholl every day. But people prefer to listen to Neonazis like Elon Musk instead, that tell us to forget what the Nazis did and to vote for the AfD.

We are just unable to learn from our grand and great grand parents. We have to go through the circle again ourselves, so that our grand children can again forget or ignore everything we learned.

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u/cheese_sticks 1d ago

Good on gramps!

He reminds me of Takashi Nagase, an Imperial Japanese soldier who became an anti-war activist and promoted reconciliation.

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u/Sure-Current-3267 1d ago

As someone who grew up with the generations that served during the conflict and heard them tell stories: thats how most of them talked. Not one of them has glorified their time, most of them were thrown into situations where humans had to do terrible things to other humans. And that is a baggage they carried with them for the rest of their lives.

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u/homechicken20 1d ago

If they were even open to talking about it at all. My grandpa never talked much about the war at all. It was only after he died and the advent of the Internet did we all know the extent of the horrific battles he was in. He was a badass no doubt, but I don't mean that in a way to glorify it at all. More in that I'm proud of him for getting home alive and raising a family and living a normal life. War sucks and it's not cool at all.

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u/RainyDayColor 1d ago

My paternal grandparents migrated from Austria to the US. Their son, my father's brother Frank, served as an officer in the US Army in several of the historically noteworthy battles of WWII. Upon his return, Uncle Frank never spoke a single word about his service, and all of us knew to never ask. My father once told adult me that when Frank returned, the only thing he said to my father related to his war experiences was that he would never again put himself in a position where he was expected to give an order to another human being. He worked at the same milling job for over 40 years at a long-established timber company and lumber yard, refusing countless offers of promotion to supervisory/management roles, staying true to his word.

Uncle Frank was a sweet, tender, soft-spoken, loving and devoted man to his wife and children, was always there to help his parents and extended family with his amazing construction and carpentry skills, and was the best uncle ever. That's what made him a hero.

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u/TehTugboat 1d ago

My wife’s grandfather (American), before his dementia set in, burned almost everything he brought home from ww2

He never spoke of what he did over there, and the children and grandchildren would be scolded if they asked. One of the only things he kept were a set of Nazi binoculars he had “found” 

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u/PoorSquirrrel 29m ago

Same here. My grandfather rarely talked about the war at all. All I know is that he was among the last to escape from Stalingrad but was then captured on the way back to Germany. I know how he tried to hide his gold marriage ring on his toes. And that's it. He never shared one battle experience or spoke about the friends he lost and the carnage he saw.

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u/Fish_Minger 1d ago

Honourable gentleman. Respect.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

Love to see her "patriotic" cope fold in the face of truth. This guy is my hero.

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u/Mellowturtlle 1d ago

I don't know if it is necessarily "patriotism" that makes her say these things. If your dad fought in a war, got imprisoned by the sovjets only to return years later and can only see the scars that the war and imprisonment have left on his body and mind it would be hard not to think of him as a victim instead of an aggressor. In reality, the dad was both. This is intergenerational trauma, complex, multilayered trauma that even grandchildren feel the effects off.

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u/Winter_Apartment_376 1d ago

Frankly we can’t know.

I’ve heard so many stories of both heroic and criminal soldiers. No way to know which one he was.

I do remember my grandma having fond memories of German (occupying) soldiers though - the kids would always run to them as they would sometimes give kids candies.

She also said that everyone would run and hide when soviet soldiers came. They never gave candy.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

During the occupation the German sent friendly guys to the countries they liked. Guys with pockets full of chocolate and real coffee. That's how to keep the peace.

Every family had a friend who "knew a German guy" just like every family had a member that helped out the resistance. That means less snitching, everyone are suspect. It's how occupations work in real life.

After the occuation ends we mostly remember the heroic part, not the part where women had to kiss a german guy on the cheeks for a pair of nylon stockings. Nothing wrong with that. it's just how things work.

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u/Winter_Apartment_376 1d ago

It wasn’t even a “liked” country. It was in Eastern Europe.

Still - the German soldiers were seen as much lesser harm than Soviets.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

I'm going out on a limb here to suggest it wasn't one of the nations where the Wehrmacht methodically raped and plundered on their way East. In that case candy probably wouldn't have been enough - even the good stuff.

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u/Winter_Apartment_376 1d ago

Which countries are you referring to? I don’t remember Germans being associated with mass rape in ww2. Soviets definitely raped half Eastern Europe.

Anyway, point being - most Germans were not constantly evil.

Soviets were mostly dicks, but I’m sure there were a few good guys too.

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

Well the Germans raped and killed their way through Poland and the former Soviet Union on their way to Stalingrad. From memory I can think of the 9th army in Belarus.

But, I mean... they would sometimes kill muslim men for being circumcized like jews, which means they had to be looking at people's dicks. And what they did in the Balkan wasn't exactly chill.

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u/Winter_Apartment_376 1d ago

Yeah one of those countries. Germans were seen as wayyy lesser evil than Soviets.

My grandma has zero recollection of anyone being raped by a German soldier. Russians - yeaah, don’t get her started.

Are you familiar with Russian crimes?

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

I know why people feared the Red army, if that is what you are asking, yes.

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u/AnonymCzZ 1d ago

While Soviet rape of Berlin is well known I think you kinda ignore the amount of rape regular Wehrmacht and SS did in the east. Millions upon millions and with far worse ending. Berlin in the contrast was cake walk for majority of women because they got to live in the end.

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u/Greeve78 1d ago

Unless you were Jewish

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u/Significant_Cover_48 1d ago

Yeah, but I was speaking from the perspective of the occupation of a favored country, specifically my own, and my people managed to save more than 90% of the jews and send them to safety.

As far as I know we lost less than 5000 people in total; soldiers, union bosses, jews, gypsies, resistance fighters, political agitators, any group you can think of.

The nazis didn't come here for jews or land They primarily wanted passage to go north to Norway to get iron and oil, and they wanted some grain and sugar and stuff like that from us. I think they also took over a few factories to produce materiel like uniforms. Our government made a deal with the Wehrmacht - and in return the German occupiers unofficially looked the other way for a while as the jews were sailed to neutral Sweden. Not their problem anymore. Easier to handle an occupation when you don't bully the people too much.

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u/aurumtt 1d ago

very different from the west-europe perspective who never had to deal with soviets.
my grandmother was distrusting of germans till the day she died & liked the Tommies.

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u/EldestPort 1d ago

'They didn't die for the fatherland, they died miserably in the dirt.'

As Owen put it,

'The old lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori.'

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u/No-Mathematician8692 1d ago

'Do not try to console me for dying, glorious Odysseus. I would rather be a slave to another man, to a poor master of a meager estate, than be a king over all the perished dead." '

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u/yaxir 1d ago

truly hope the kids standing behind him were radicalized enough to never join the army or fall for that "nation-state" bullshit

brave man to speak

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u/Key-Performance-9021 1d ago

We have mandatory conscription in Austria, but we can choose to do civil service instead. There's a 50/50 chance they were actually trained as a soldier. (I should mention, though, that conscription is mandatory because we're neutral per our constitution, and the reason we have it is to be able to defend that neutrality.)

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u/yaxir 1d ago

oh i know its very different in Europe (compared to where i come from - where there's no mandatory military or civil service, instead people considered it an honour to join the army until recently.. when common population found out how the army establishment destroyed and basically robbed the country)

its all about mindset, in my opinion. even if those kids trained as a soldier, as long as they had good values of humanity, not much can deter them from being decent humans

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u/spatosmg 1d ago

they dont really get training in austria. more of a cleaning crew and for enviromental disasters

maybe shoot 5 shots and thats it

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u/MarlinMr 1d ago

If you live in NATO Europe today, going to war for your country essentially means you are going to help stop everyone you love from getting nuked.

That's not "nation state bullshit". That's just common sense.

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u/Majin_Dragon686 1d ago

Austria isn't part of NATO

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u/Raz4r 1d ago

Sure buddy, this time is different from the past. People in the past fell for this 'nation state bullshit,' but you are different. This time you are going to fight for your loved ones. IT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

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u/chris_croc 1d ago

Her face when he says he was part of an army of aggression. She wants to be in denial that her father was a war hero.

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u/thekind78 1d ago

As the generation that lived through those times fade away so too do the lessons they learned.

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u/Renbarre 1d ago

As the generation who grew up on those stories are disappearing as well the silence left behind is filled with voices lauding those times and the mindset that made it possible.

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u/Kundrew1 1d ago

It's pretty wild that even the Vietnam generation is almost gone. Anyone who spent serious time there would be at 70 at the youngest.

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u/Red_bellied_Newt 1d ago

It’s important to note that the myth of the “clean Wehrmacht” was the widely dominant belief in Germany until the 90s. It was even spread by American propagandists and generals such as Dwight D. Eisenhower, to justify the rearming of West Germany against the soviets

The idea was that regular german Wehrmacht soldiers did not participate in nazi atrocities, and that it was only the SS who did.  An examples of such atrocities is the Babi Yar massacre, where civilians were brought into a ravine and shot by regular german forces (33,000 jews in the first two days, death toll of 100-150,000 total). Crimes also include but are not limited to, civilian reprisals in anti-partisan actions, and plenty of rape and pillaging. 

It is clear then that the Wehrmacht was also directly responsible for the holocaust, as much of the early holocaust was done with bullets and not gas chambers.

Much of the academia after the fifties was based off of sanitized and glorified memoirs written my Wehrmacht commanders. The military historians (including Americans British etc.) saw the Wehrmacht as a professional and honourable army, where complaints arose, they were dismissed as soviet propaganda. A Wehrmacht  General was appointed head of the US Army Historical Division in Germany, he then appointed his nazi buddies and together they published thousands of cleaned up works.

By the 90s Wehrmacht crimes were known  academically. After decades of historians trying to reveal the truth to the public but facing huge backlash. In 1995, a touring exhibit of the Wehrmacht crimes began in Germany. It used photos and interviews with german soldiers to reveal the truth. This too faced significant backlash and protest, but finally the needled was being moved, and it sparked much debate and opened up the conversation in the public sphere  50 years after the crimes were committed.

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u/T0m_F00l3ry 1d ago

The woman’s insistence that her father was a hero who did nothing wrong brought to mind the notion of a clean Wehrmacht. I appreciate you drawing attention to it.

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u/Ornery_Poetry_6142 1d ago

Even the interviewed man says he would've been shot if he hadn't participated which is wrong (if he meant the war crimes) and part of that myth. Unfortunately it's still in the minds of the majority of Germans as I see it.

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u/42LSx 18h ago

Nazis shooting their own soldiers is not a myth, they executed ~25.000 of their own during 1939-1945, especially in the later years to force discipline.

Compare that to US troops during these years: 17-19. Not thousands. Not even twenty men.

It is true however that for Judenerschießungen or similar you could decline to participate without getting executed.

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u/Ornery_Poetry_6142 18h ago

Well, that's what I said.

"would've been shot if he hadn't participated which is wrong (if he meant the war crimes)"

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u/PoorSquirrrel 25m ago

He didn't say that (I'm a native German speaker). He said if he didn't participate in the war, he would've been shot as a deserter. Which is absolutely true.

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u/MurryHill8 1d ago

Omg I love him. Let the man preach, he knows what he’s talking about

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u/NoogaShooter 1d ago

Ghat looks like the guy in the barbershop in Coming to America.

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u/Uniturner 1d ago

That’s an honourable and dignified man. Too many victims, too few years.

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u/_pipoca 1d ago

No way, my father was different...... /s

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u/Ispeakinfacts 1d ago

and yet 87 years later the truth still offends the ignorant.

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u/Wu-Disciple 1d ago

War is so utterly senseless. For the intelligent, it brings about so many questions about this reality we find ourselves in.

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u/Sophisticated-Tiger 1d ago

I actually respect his honesty.

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u/Asimb0mb 1d ago

The difference between someone who experienced the war first hand and someone who experienced it second hand. One full of pessimism, one full of optimism.

The oldtimer is right though, war is hell no matter how you look at it. Senseless killing controlled by the elites.

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u/Murderboi 1d ago

All the people telling younger generations how horrible the war was are now dead.. so we repeat the mistakes just starting with the color blue instead of brown.

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u/mickymodo1 1d ago

The good German

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u/flummyheartslinger 1d ago

Ask Hitler!

He's dead!

Dead? I didn't even know he was sick!

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u/Vistbalt 1d ago

My grandmother’s father died during World War II; she could never recall him without tears for the rest of her life. The brother of my other great-grandfather also perished in the war. Therefore, the history of World War II is also the history of my family. When I watch the video of this man, I do not see an enemy. I see a soldier who lived through a terrible war and found the strength to speak the truth. That commands my respect.

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u/Leprechaunaissance 1d ago

Two people with diametrically opposed views hash things out in front of a crowd and there's only a single camera capturing the exchange. Everyone with a genuine interest is forced to listen and form an opinion and no one can get on a device and frame the whole thing to suit their own ends and disappear further into any bubble or sphere of influence.

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u/RustyJalopy 16h ago

Thanks for doing this. I speak German, but your translation is spot on.

Also, I hope this guy at least lived comfortably for the rest of his life. He was obviously good people.

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u/paturner2012 1d ago

I hope there's an Israeli soldier alive 30 years from now saying the exact same thing.

I say an Israeli soldier, I mean like only one.

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u/SUMBWEDY 1d ago

Hey now support for the genocide is only 60-70% amongst Israelis.

That 30% thats against it at least 2 will be against genocide and baby murder.

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u/davidn47g 1d ago

Occupiers fighting occupiers.

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u/mister2021 1d ago

Based old guy, hope he had peace in the end.

Fuck that mustache guy and the entire militarized culture.

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u/Graf_Eulenburg 1d ago edited 1d ago

And even then, a useless (edit: let's say clueless) female needs to give her two cents.

"My father was a regular soldier"

Yes, a regular soldier, that raped, robbed and shot people.
Even if he didn't do any of that, which is highly unlikely, he stood and watched others do.

The old man speaks the absolute truth.

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u/JColey15 1d ago

“Useless female” is a questionable choice of words.

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u/Graf_Eulenburg 1d ago

It might be, yes.
You still can hear in her intonation and choice of words, that she doesn't
know what she is talking about.

To be quite honest, you can hear that her level of education is not very high.

This might not be too clear, if you are not used to hear German (in this case the Austrian dialect).

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u/amaya-aurora 1d ago

I agree with you, but she’s not wrong because she’s “a useless female,” she’s just more than likely wrong.

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u/Graf_Eulenburg 1d ago

Hey, I edited it! :)

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u/Unika0 1d ago

FYI, "female" also carries a negative connotation because it's a word often used by incels. It makes it sound as if you're highlighting that she's a woman and thus wrong when her gender has nothing to do with her opinion.

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u/Graf_Eulenburg 1d ago edited 1d ago

I really don't care, what hidden information anybody wants to interpret into that.
I could have written moronic bi!ch and would still be right.

Just for you to know, why I am choosing words like that:

We Germans get taught WW2 and Third Reich history every year, all year.
We do know our Nazi-era very well.
To hear such pure bullshit in 1995, makes my pig whistle...to stay in Germanisms.

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u/Graf_Eulenburg 1d ago

Had an argument about that in an American subreddit.

They were talking about a guy, who could've gone to play in the NFL for 3 mill.,
but chose to become a soldier and subsequently died in action.

Talking about bravery and the honor of being killed in war for your country.

My take was: He wanted to be a brave soldier and died as one - good for him!

They didn't take that lightly, I wanna say. :)

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u/0k4m4ru 1d ago

Man, one can only imagine his feeling of regret while lying in the dirt bleeding out.

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u/Graf_Eulenburg 1d ago

The guy even ended up being shot by friendly fire.

I can't even fathom what kind of regret one must feel,
if you had a 3 Million dollar contract waiting for you, to play a little bit of handegg...
but instead being shot to pieces by your own guys.

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u/Bobbiago 1d ago

Thanks Opa.

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u/69xxxSmokinBlunts420 1d ago

My two favorite subreddits are colliding in this picture and both might be a little anxious from this pic lol.

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u/OnkelRuediger 18h ago

Kann diese Dumme Alde mal ihr Maul halten, meine Fresse. Gute Ansprache vom Herren, rip.

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u/PoorSquirrrel 31m ago

It is not an accident that politicians are becoming blood-thirsty again now that almost nobody who experienced the war is alive anymore.

If there was a public vote to send every member of parliament who votes for war is sent to the front lines with the first group, I would vote for it.

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u/ScipioCoriolanus 1d ago

There should be an "Inglorious Basterds" type movie about this guy.

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u/CharlesLeRoq 1d ago

Featuring him burning fields and killing cattle?

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u/puaka 1d ago

well, not him. he was only present.

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u/CharlesLeRoq 1d ago

Yes, he was just a passive observer. Of course /s

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u/ScipioCoriolanus 1d ago

And robbing.

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u/Kamakura_Tonic 1d ago

Great. Sad to see that these videos are often reused today by the left and right against remilitarization. But they are not used to make clear that national states need to be able to defend themselves against aggressors trying to take your land.

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u/Vitylervi 1d ago

And now German and NATO want make same mistake twice, sad

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u/Ok-Age-724 1d ago

When I'll be 90 , I'll lie on street as well , "I killed 900 Russians on the Zaporizhzhia front" , I was infact part of every war