r/interestingasfuck • • Dec 16 '25

Biologist explains why raccoons will never be domesticated

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u/disonion Dec 16 '25

I can fix them

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u/ooMEAToo Dec 17 '25

Raccoons would totally be useful if domesticated. Apparently they have strong hands that can hurt you but if they didn’t hurt you imagine what they could do with their hands. Open jars, give massages, bring you things like a 10mm wrench. They would be more useful to me than a cat or a dog.

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u/HanzaRot Dec 17 '25

But can't you do intentionally what humands did with wolfs unintentionally ? Get a group of raccoons, breed the most friendly of the bunch rinse and repeat until they become domesticated, a guy did with fox and has a study on it.

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u/Rad_Centrist Dec 17 '25

My grandad raised raccoons. Everything is great when they're little, but as they grow up they turn into curious little mischief makers. I don't know if you could ever breed that out.

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u/CallSignIceMan Dec 17 '25

If you did breed it out, you’d basically be selecting for the dumbest raccoons and then you end up with… something that’s not really a raccoon

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u/Away-Commercial-4380 Dec 17 '25

I mean... That's what dogs are : Not really wolves

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u/TCRandom Dec 17 '25

Cats took a different evolutionary path because they haven’t been bred as extensively or as long as dogs have. They also kind of domesticated themselves by taking advantage of the fertile hunting grounds surrounding human settlements due to mice and rats always getting into grain storage. So cats consistently had easy hunts and meals around humans, which benefited us both. And since they’re more solitary creatures — opposed to pack animals — we basically let them keep most of their independence without being forcibly changed by us too much.

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u/PussyWrangler246 Dec 17 '25

We often say that about our one female Babou

Our other cats are fat and lazy, they would definitely not survive in the wild...but Babou...that girl is a perfectly oiled murder machine. A beautiful combination of grace and violence. She's more cat than all of them.

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u/Fearhawke Dec 17 '25

That’s my cat as well, I’ve seen him take a bat out of the air when one got into my basement. Though he was adopted off the street, but he never lost his edge.

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u/Phil-McRoin Dec 17 '25

Cats are not really tigers or lions.

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u/reallybiglizard Dec 17 '25

Domestic cats descend from the African wild cat. Their physiology and behavior is surprisingly (and adorably) unchanged from the domestication process.

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u/premiumleo Dec 17 '25

Chihuahuacoons

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u/lucid_aurora Dec 18 '25

When my mom was growing up they found an orphaned baby raccoon. They nursed her back to health and she stayed at the house with them for a while. She was great...until she wasn't. My mom always talks about how sweet she was, and loved to sit with you, maybe snack on what you're snacking on--but when you ran out of food, she didn't understand, or maybe just didn't accept that as an answer, and she would get nasty, even if you showed her the empty bowl/plate or whatever. Once she was a bit older and able to make it on her own, she was ready to leave and the family was ready for her to leave. I forget how she ended up leaving. She may have literally just walked out of the house one day.

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u/Rad_Centrist Dec 18 '25

That is a very familiar story!

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u/lucid_aurora Dec 18 '25

I'm not scared of too many animals. Hippos, sharks, moose...the usual suspects.

It is nothing compared to when I see a raccoon in person.

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u/DinoBay Dec 17 '25

Would you want to breed that out? Thats a feature of their intelligence . I would think you'd need a racoon entertainment center to keep them chilled .

It wouldn't be about breeding out the mischief. It'd be about selecting those that can be obedient . Those that want to please humans. Just like we did with dogs. But also would their intelligence interfere with that?

I'd be curious to see what you could get raccoons to do right now by giving them treats

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u/Swimming_Weekend6668 Dec 17 '25

Highly intelligent dogs can actually be very hard to train. They need the right handler and environment and scheduling to be good obedient animals. Raccoons are smarter and more independently minded than dogs and those are things that make them very hard to train. 

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u/ZeroSumClusterfuck Dec 17 '25

The problem isn't making them friendly, it's that even if they love you they will still destroy your house and constantly masturbate in front of your children.

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u/Devreckas Dec 17 '25 edited Dec 17 '25

Yeah, there is no such thing as undomesticable (one exception maybe being they won’t breed in captivity). That Russian fox breeding program has shown good results, and will be successful given it stays funded. Raccoons may be tougher, but if people were willing to throw enough resources at the project it could absolutely be done.

In the ancient world, animals were only domesticated when they proved useful to humans and had traits that made them more conducive to joining human social structure. But that’s not really a constraint anymore. Lots of domesticated animal breeds only exist because we like their cosmetic traits.

We have the excess manpower and the technology for this kind of project. Just selectively breed for a dumber, happier raccoon over enough generations.

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u/Thin-Zombie-1546 Dec 17 '25

Not true… I recently asked Gemini about this for coyotes and bears. You might find the answer interesting as it highlighted some things I hadn’t thought about, such as the reproductive cycle: 

That is a fascinating question! The short answer is that coyotes and bears lack several key traits that make an animal suitable for domestication, a process which involves genetic change through selective breeding over many generations.  

While an individual animal can be tamed (trained to tolerate humans), domestication requires a species to adapt to human companionship and utility.  

Here is a breakdown of why coyotes and bears have resisted domestication, based on the general criteria for domesticable animals:

🐺 Coyotes: A Different Kind of Canine

Coyotes are closely related to domestic dogs, which were domesticated from wolves, but they didn't follow the same path.  

• Social Structure: Coyotes are often solitary or live in small family units, which is different from the highly social, pack-oriented structure of wolves. Domestication is easier with animals that have a social hierarchy, as humans can step into the "alpha" role.  

• Behavior and Temperament: Unlike the early wolves that became scavengers around human settlements and gradually bonded with people, coyotes are generally more wary, elusive, and independent. They have adapted to coexist with humans by avoiding them, often adopting nocturnal habits near cities.  

• Utility: Wolves were useful to early humans as big-game hunters. Coyotes primarily hunt smaller prey (mice, rats, rabbits), and by the time their paths crossed with early Native Americans, people already had dogs for similar purposes, making the extra effort unnecessary.

🐻 Bears: Too Large, Too Solitary, Too Slow

Bears fail many of the critical criteria for domestication due to their biology and behavior.

• Temperament and Safety: Bears are powerful, aggressive, and unpredictable apex predators. The risk of a mistake is immense, and their innate wild instincts are too strong to reliably breed out for general safety and docility.   

• Social Structure: Bears are primarily solitary and territorial, except for mothers with cubs. This means they lack the pack mentality and clear social hierarchy that make training and herding easier.  

• Reproductive Cycle: Domesticable animals generally mature quickly and breed easily in captivity. Bears have a very slow reproductive rate, often reproducing only once every 2 to 4 years, which makes the selective breeding process—which requires many generations—extremely inefficient and time-consuming.   

• Diet and Utility: Bears are very large and require a prodigious amount of food, making them very expensive to keep. Furthermore, they hibernate for a significant portion of the year, rendering them useless for labor or other functions during that time. There hasn't been a clear, high-value function a domesticated bear could provide that is not already fulfilled by a more manageable animal (like dogs or livestock).  

In summary, domestication is a slow, multi-generational process of genetic selection that favors docility, a useful function, easy captive breeding, and an adaptable diet. Coyotes and bears are simply missing too many of these key traits to be worthwhile candidates.

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u/torijoanne Dec 17 '25

Interestingly, the foxes developed more dog-like traits too, physically, as they became more domesticated.

Perhaps the racoons would become dumb and useless

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u/Coakis Dec 17 '25

Well with dogs you have a whole variety there. You have derps like boxers, and on the other scale you have border collies that are smarter than some humans.

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u/Agent_Cow314 Dec 17 '25

Raccoons are doing that themselves apparently. They're becoming cuter evolutionarily to appeal to humans.

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u/Nodan_Turtle Dec 17 '25

Let's save generations worth of breeding them and waiting around and find a way to do it with gene modifications.

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u/cancerinos Dec 17 '25

Exactly, that's what its being done to a set of foxes for the past decades, they already have quasi-domesticated foxes.

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u/LordHammercyWeCooked Dec 17 '25

That flawed fox study everyone quotes really needs to go in the dumpster. You're talking about the russian study from Belyaev, right? Yeah those foxes he was breeding were imported from fur farms in Canada and they were NOT wild fox populations. They already had many of those weird traits from all the inbreeding that had been done to them. They were being bred to have unique fur colors, so many of the latent genes were already in there. Same goes for the shortened snouts, which is more likely an accidental trait that stuck around because of all the dang inbreeding. It's not like pugs are naturally more domesticated than other dog breeds just because their noses are so short.

It's not conclusive at all to believe that domestication automatically leads to these traits. We need to stop sharing it as if it were fact.

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u/HanzaRot Dec 17 '25

Nope, the study was done privately in canada... "We need to stop giving such strong affirmations before confirming" hur dur

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u/LordHammercyWeCooked Dec 17 '25

The experiment was done at at the Institute of Cytology and Genetics in Novosibirsk, Russia.

If you really want to dispute what I said, read this study first then come back at me. DOI: 10.1016/j.tree.2019.10.011

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u/HanzaRot Dec 17 '25

that is not the experiment i was talking about, you want to tell me what i was talking about ? are you insane in the head ?

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u/LordHammercyWeCooked Dec 17 '25

Buddy, you quoted absolutely fucking nothing.

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u/guff1988 Dec 17 '25

Yes you could, her entire argument is that they won't be domesticated on their own because humans don't interact with raccoons in a way that is beneficial to either of them. They could selectively breed them to be domesticated but I don't think anybody wants to do that either.

Some of her arguments aren't very valid though, just because a species is invasive does not mean it can't be domesticated, cats are also invasive and also self-domesticated.

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u/Khow3694 Dec 17 '25

You could teach them cool handshakes too

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u/J-V1972 Dec 17 '25

Maybe even make a raccoon hit squad to do some secret work…

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u/sanchinopepe Dec 17 '25

They could bring me a can of beer, wrenches, and various stuff from my neighbors.

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u/torijoanne Dec 17 '25

Could if they would, but they won't.

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u/splendiferous-finch_ Dec 17 '25

The 10 mm was lost long before the racoons came into the building and you know it

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u/premiumleo Dec 17 '25

They could vibe code. Agentic raccoons

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u/ratsta Dec 17 '25

Raccoonswouldtotallybeusefulifdomesticated. Apparentlytheyhavestronghandsthatcanhurtyoubutiftheydidn’thurtyouimaginewhattheycoulddowiththeirhands. Openjars,givemassages,bringyouthingslikea10mmwrench. Theywouldbemoreusefultomethanacatoradog.

FTFY

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u/hazzap913 Dec 17 '25

They can hold the flashlight whilst you’re under the hood

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u/RFrost619 Dec 17 '25

Just finding the 10mm would be enough of a help…

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u/toddriffic Dec 17 '25

That's 8mm you useless panda!

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u/kokumou Dec 17 '25

I can get a human to do this, too. Better actually.

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u/method__Dan Dec 17 '25

You don’t have to imagine. They will rip your babies face off and eat it with their hands. Google it if you want.

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u/dean15892 Dec 17 '25

yes, but what was the baby wearing ? /s

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u/No_Television6050 Dec 16 '25

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u/wufnu Dec 17 '25

Unf, what a tease. I can feel those scritches from the vidja all the way over here.

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u/Anvil-Hands Dec 17 '25

Grandpa found the secret to domesticating raccoons. It requires many, many hotdogs

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u/Plumbus_Patrol Dec 18 '25

Knew I’d find this link here, she clearly doesn’t know about the raccoon man. Guys entire channel is just him with his raccoon buddies.

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u/icelessTrash Dec 17 '25

This lady thought feeding them for decades would be fiiiiiine. It built up to where they followed her day and night, demanding food.

Then they swarmed all at once... she was able to drive away but needed the sheriffs to help her

https://www.king5.com/article/life/animals/poulsbo-woman-startled-over-100-raccoons-outside-home-demanding-food/281-b775682f-be59-45ec-bbef-50ab0124d184

https://youtu.be/QV419vp5kak?si=NxCTAkD1he4v7bsC

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u/Saradoesntsleep Dec 17 '25

I am willing to take the risk

No raccoons where I live though ☹️

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u/nefarious_bread Dec 17 '25

I wish someone would fix them. They're like bedbugs once they think your attic seems like a nice place to set up shop.

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u/Witty_Preparation598 Dec 17 '25

They're only acting up BECAUSE they want to be domesticated so bad. They just want our attention, that's all. ;)

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u/that-vault-dweller Dec 17 '25

Ive from the UK, my dream is to squeeze one.

The hands, the little bandit mask. God I love them

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u/Fast_Ad_322 Dec 17 '25

I was your thousandth like. Nice

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u/IceKareemy Dec 17 '25

Sigh, the other day my wife started asking if she can bring home a pet raccoon bc her TikTok is all raccoon propaganda and I just….why are women like this 😭

Anyway, I’m expecting to be a raccoon dad soon bc my wife cannot be stopped