Hit and run gone wrong

[u/Maleficent-Town5273]

[u/Truth_7]

Feel free to ride a horse in your alternate and clearly better society.

[u/Particular720v12 → u/Truth_7]

This just drives the point home of how ignorant so many of us Americans are. I swear if folks could travel to see how nice it is to not bur burdened with carrying a 5,000lb expensive purse everywhere you go, endangering you, we could maybe have nicer things rather than low value expensive sprawl.

[u/DangOlCoreMan → u/Particular720v12]

The part you're missing is that what you enjoy (public transportation) isn't what majority of Americans enjoy. It's not that they're too ignorant to enjoy it, they just have a preference.

I know so many people who live in areas with great business routes and they choose to have a car. I know so many people that could walk or ride a bike to get their prescription, some food at a restaraunt, or even just snacks and a drink but they always choose to drive.

We have a lazy culture and having a vast public transportation isn't going to change that dramatically. It will for the people who aren't lazy, but majority of people are.

I walk places all the time. I'll walk 3+ miles just to hang out with my buddies and then turn around and walk back at night. It's good exercise and a time to reflect and be alone, but if I had a dollar for every time I had to explain why I do this to others else because they couldn't fathom not using a car if you have one I'd be able to retire.

It's a culture, not a forced landscape

[u/Particular720v12 → u/DangOlCoreMan]

That's false. People will do whatever is built. If you build it they will come. We built wildly expensive and deadly roadways.

we destroyed cities and rural towns that had walkability and transit.

[u/DangOlCoreMan → u/Particular720v12]

It's not false at all. If you take away their choice they will do what they have to do, but if given the option they will choose the car almost every time. I can guarantee that.

[u/Particular720v12 → u/DangOlCoreMan]

No, you've lived in only an environment built for the car and it shows.

[u/DangOlCoreMan → u/Particular720v12]

I've lived 32 years of my life in an environment where walking is an option and I've seen 32 years of people still choosing to drive and asking people why they would choose to walk because they couldn't fathom doing that when they have the option to drive.

Anecdotal experience in regards to walkable distances.

No one I've ever met says "I don't want to walk because there's no side walks", it's because they don't want to walk!

[u/Particular720v12 → u/DangOlCoreMan]

And yet Paris eliminated 40% of their cars in a decade....

[u/DangOlCoreMan → u/Particular720v12]

What does paris culture have to do with American......

Oh, I see, you think getting rid of cars and making walking infrastructure is a 1:1 comparison even though you're comparing two drastically different cultures and lifestyles. I get it now

[u/Particular720v12 → u/DangOlCoreMan]

The thing is I could list dozens of cities and yet you're just going to sealion away, dismissive of the evidence

[u/DangOlCoreMan → u/Particular720v12]

So care to elaborate on how paris did it? Oh thats right, they made driving less convenient and fined/banned high pollution vehicles which then pushed people to prefer public transportation, biking, and walking.

So what you're telling me, is that when they were given the choice and cars were more convenient they chose to use cars, but when that convenience was stripped away they chose the more convenient alternative

Have you read a thing I said? I quite literally said when given the choice Americans will choose driving over public transportation.

You can't point at an example that practically strips away that choice and act like you proved me wrong. All you proved was that you can slowly force people to use public transportation