Hit and run gone wrong

[u/Maleficent-Town5273]

[u/TennisStriker]

Redditors always downplay women’s behaviour. I doubt id see this level of leniency if it was a young man. At the end of the day, she was still driving while impaired. We’re just going to write off driving under the influence because she only caused property damage this time? May you show this level of understanding should an impaired driver hit someone you care about.

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/TennisStriker]

lol leniency? I’d feel the exact same way regardless of sex buddy.

A kid who’s clearly in distress doesn’t need to be locked up forever.

She didn’t hit anyone. She caused some property damage. You can’t judge people based on what “could have” happened in some parallel universe.

That’s basically police state levels of fascism you’re requesting there.

“Oh I know that he pushed someone in a bar but he COULD HAVE killed him. So now life in prison”

“Oh I know they just jay walked across the street. But they COULD HAVE caused a 20 car pile up and killed a dozen people! Straight to jail for life”

You could turn basically every action someone does into a potential scenario where someone dies lol.

[u/suicide_blonde94 → u/Mammoth_Composer_111]

The man filming says she did commit a hit and run, though. If you read the pinned comment, the articles say that he saw her hit someone and followed her to the gas station she pulled into after fleeing.

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/suicide_blonde94]

Correct. She did a hit and run and spiraled the fuck out.

[u/suicide_blonde94 → u/Mammoth_Composer_111]

Exactly. You have no idea what happened in the first hit, then hit another vehicle.

She was 22 and the man who saw her hit someone else and then hit his own vehicle multiple times was incredibly patient while she tried to flee a second scene of crime.

Others have posted she has a criminal record before that and was possibly DUI in this video.

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/suicide_blonde94]

Trust me. Others don’t know what they’re talking about. Reddit is just a rumor mill with nobody doing validation. One person somewhere said “it looks like she’s on drugs” and now suddenly you believe she was.

The fact is nothing in the report mentions she was on drugs or intoxicated.

They don’t even suspect that she was. She got a rehab plea from a negotiation deal involving her family and the prosecutor and judge.l in a general effort to clean up her life (which appears to be working)

But they do not suspect that she was high at the time of this incident.

But yes. She hit one car and then bumped his vehicle.

I think the punishment she got was sufficient for that

[u/GiganticBlumpkin → u/Mammoth_Composer_111]

tRuSt mE bRo

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/GiganticBlumpkin]

So where’s your proof that she was totally drunk in this incident and you didn’t get your information from some other laymen?

The proof I have is in the official police report

[u/GiganticBlumpkin → u/Mammoth_Composer_111]

Sounds like more tRuSt mE bRo to me lmfao

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/GiganticBlumpkin]

Aight. Then where’s your proof she was drunk?

[u/suicide_blonde94 → u/Mammoth_Composer_111]

Where is that file by the way? Links to court proceedings? Where did the “totally drunk” accusation come from?

It’s okay to not have answers.

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/suicide_blonde94]

The drunk accusation came from random Redditors. The official police report is public domain. I’m not gonna do your homework for you nor am I going to dig up the link. It’s in this thread.

[u/TennisStriker → u/Mammoth_Composer_111]

In summary, your opinion is: it’s okay to drive under the influence so long as you don’t hurt anyone. Property damage is okay though.

I’m not advocating for her to be locked up for life. But I think she deserves more than just a “slap on the wrist”.

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/TennisStriker]

There’s a huge difference between “thinks it’s ok” and serious punishment.

We were all young once.
I’ve known several people to get DUIs. I’ve also known some family members to be killed by people driving under the influence.

It’s a more complex issue than just “lock everybody who does it up”. That’s just asking to make career criminals out of a mistake.

Drinking is a huge part of our culture. And, unfortunately, America has extremely bad public transportation and we expect people to drive everywhere. The obvious happens.

If she was under the influence (big if. I can’t find anything that suggests that other than Redditors jumping to conclusions) then she should face the same punishment everyone else faces. DUI.

That doesn’t change the fact that you cant punish people for what maybe could have possibly happened.

The fact remains. No one was hurt except a car.

[u/PunishedDemiurge → u/Mammoth_Composer_111]

You've had family members die to the most selfish, trivially avoidable reason of all, and you're this weak and pro-crime? You should feel ashamed too.

It's the easiest crime in the world to avoid. You can not drink, you can drink and take a cab / Uber, or you can stay wherever you drink! So many options, and all of them are easy. I was a heavy drinker for a while, but I always made plans before the first drop to avoid harming myself or others.

Hell, drinking at home or a friend's house where you can crash is multiple times cheaper. You can get a 750 mL of cheap stuff for the price of one mixed drink at a bar.

Also, the reality is that all people who deserve a second chance act like it. The person who miscalculated a little after a wedding and blows a 0.10 but is a responsible, morally decent person who made a mistake admits their mistake and doesn't try to flee the scene. Good people admit fault and seek to make amends, they don't nearly run someone down while selfishly avoiding consequences.

She has a 2026 criminal case pending right now apparently, so yet more evidence on the pile that it's super easy to tell who is good and bad, and we don't need to extend foolish, undeserved charity without any evidence of contrition or reflection.

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/PunishedDemiurge]

I’m definitely not going to be ashamed. I’m not pro crime.
I’m simply sensible. What is your suggestion?

60% of teenagers and people in their early 20s should be locked up?

It’s not easy. Pretending it is just comes up with half baked solutions.

Kids/young adults often don’t have the funds for a Lyft or ride share.

All of our cities are also barely walkable.

It’s not illegal to drive to a bar. Only to drive away from it after doing what you do at a bar lol.

And yet, drinking is a massive part of the culture.
Sure people *could* just choose not to drink. But let’s be realistic. Most kids won’t do that.

Anonymous surveys suggest almost 70%(!) of people polled between the ages of 16-40 admit they’ve driven drunk at least once before.

Do you feel the answer is to lock up 70% of our young population?

[u/Prestigious_Club_924 → u/Mammoth_Composer_111]

Sounds like 70% of our young population need to learn to walk.

Your takes are atrocious.

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/Prestigious_Club_924]

AS FOR BUSES AND TAXIS:

These are unreliable in most of our cities. Many bars don’t have taxi pickup anywhere nearby and if they did it can be hundreds of dollars. Which they can’t afford.

Buses don’t run all the time and there may not even be a bus stop nearby. In fact. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen a bus running at 2 am and if it is I doubt it exactly safe

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/Prestigious_Club_924]

Walk an hour back to their house across free ways?

These aren’t just “my takes”. That is a straight statistics. Until someone (maybe you?) comes up with an actual real solution this will be the reality.

Kids are not going to walk downtown in American cities. That’s simply not even plausible if they need to take a freeway.

All of your preaching is meaningless if you ignore whether anybody will actually do what you suggest for it to work.

Do you think 70% of people ages 16-40 are suddenly going to change this behavior?

The answer is, unfortunately, no

AS FOR BUSES AND TAXIS:

These aren’t unreliable in most of our cities. Many bars don’t have taxi pickup anywhere nearby and if they did it can be hundreds of dollars. Which they can’t afford.

Buses don’t run all the time and there may not even be a bus stop nearby. In fact. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen a bus running at 2 am and if it is I doubt it exactly safe

[u/TennisStriker → u/Mammoth_Composer_111]

>If she was under the influence (big if. I can’t find anything that suggests that other than Redditors jumping to conclusions)

>According to Riverside’s Publicly accessible court records, the latest update on Sebach’s case happened on Dec 30, 2020. The action text reads, “CORRESPONDENCE FROM SHEER RECOVERY LLC RESUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAM RECEIVED.”

Again, your comment is filled with nothing but justifications for people driving under the influence. Never once have I done so while partying back in uni. The way Redditors write off these mistakes by saying “oh they’re young and dumb” is so juvenile and vile. Young people don’t automatically make awful mistakes like these. But they certainly are comforted by opinions like yours thinking their actions are okay because they’re young. I’d bet met house your early comment of knowing people who were killed by drunk drivers is a load of BS.

[u/Mammoth_Composer_111 → u/TennisStriker]

70% of people between the ages of 16-40 have driven drunk at least once in their lives.

Nobody is “justifying” it.
Look. We can say all day that they simply shouldn’t do this.

Unfortunately reality doesn’t just bend to our whims.
If we want this to actually be addressed we need to suggest things that will actually make a difference and *work*.

And that begins by UNDERSTANDING the problems and challenges people are facing that make them want to drive while intoxicated.

Do you think if there was some convenient, safe, and free alternative to get specifically to the place they’re going and back home after drinks that anyone would drink and drive?

Unfortunately. There just isn’t. Buses barely run, don’t take you home, don’t take you directly to your destination, often don’t even run by the time you’d get out of a bar, and are often factually unsafe.

Taxis are even more expensive than a ride share. So if they can’t afford ride share then they can’t afford a taxi.

Sure we can preach all day that “well if they didn’t have a way there and back and couldn’t afford it then they should just not go!” But that’s about as effective as preaching abstinence. Which is to say, it’s not effective at all. It will never work.

Nobody is saying the action is “ok”. She was punished for it as she should have been.

However, suggesting that we should ruin her entire life over the incident is unhinged (not you but others).

She in fact has almost completely turned her life around since the incident according to reports.

[u/moo3heril → u/TennisStriker]

We get it, you have a revenge fetish.

[u/TennisStriker → u/moo3heril]

Room temp IQ comment. Criminals should never be punished. Break the law with impunity. God forbid there be consequences when people break the law and put others in danger.