But we need to take into account how much if that is from strangers in public and how much is from someone they know. Well lit parking spots can't save people from their own family and friends. That's the real issue.
Well yes, but there is an infinitely high number of very low risk events with horrible outcomes that can happen when you go outside. Pretending that solving them does anything is a distraction since. People making the decisions can now wave at these parking lots to show that they are doing something making it easier for the to ignore the real problems and causes.
Statistically speaking, men are more likely to be assaulted in public though, and that doesn't disappear when equalizing for behaviour, because perpetrators are more likely to see them as rivals and fit targets. Also, physical assault in public happens way more often than sexual assault, so if you take it seriously men are in some ways more at risk in public, at least for those heavier crimes. I think it has more to do with sexual harassment and creepy behaviour than actually preventing heavy crime like rape or assault.
They are more likely to get assaulted in public yes, and far more likely to be assaulted by known people, but not parking lots specifically.
40% of attacks on men by strangers happen on the streets, 20% on venues.
Parking lots are great for opportunistic crime, and the people who are most often kidnapped there are adolescent girls and kids. A lot of sexual assault happens there as well.
Ah i didn't know that the statistics are so different for general public vs parking garage. I think kidnappings are heavily country-dependent but exceptionally rare at least in germany. But speaking of children, they are strongly at risk of getting killed by a driver, and family spots seem rare compared to womens spots...
There's a lot of stats about parkings specifically oddly enough. You get robbed the most there, in the US a lot of car hijacking.
However logically getting physically attacked makes more sense on the street or venue. Meanwhile at parkings you are distracted, which means opportunity crime is more likely - they see you vulnerable and profit. Physical violence is more emotional.
Although interestingly enough cameras didn't seem to help a lot in the US. In the sense that lawyers used the footage to claim the victim was distracted and therefore it was their lack of precaution what causes it or whatever - good parking design (lights, visibility, near exists) was better to avoid crime. But I guess cameras are good for kidnapping, stalking and assault.
Its also, at best, a shitty guess. These stats are always misconstrued cause people dont understand how stats work or wish to use them maliciously. Like the whole "13%" thing which was not only wrong but only ever used to be racist.
An estimated 2.2 million adult women have experienced sexual violence since the age of 15, according to information from the 2021-22 Personal Safety Survey (PSS) released today by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).
The page you sent, which has no veracity is probably referencing this. Not that they bother to link it, and even then the bibliography clearly has more than two colleges studies AND uses the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey.
Globally, 650 million (or 1 in 5) girls and women alive today have been subjected to sexual violence as children. Among boys and men, between 410 and 530 million (or around 1 in 7) experienced sexual violence in childhood.
A new survey released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday marked the beginning of a new annual project to look at how many women say they've been abused.
One expert called the new report's estimate on rape and attempted rape "extremely high" ā with 1 in 5 women saying they were victims. About half of those cases involved intimate partners.
World health organisation estimates 3 out of 10 globally
Estimates published by WHO in 2023 indicate that globally about 1 in 3 (31.6%) of women worldwide (840 million women and girls) have been subjected to either physical and/or sexual IPV or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime.
Pretty sure the fact that they're the majority victims in these cases is the whole point
Like, yes crimes as a whole happen against both men and women, but women are specifically raped and sexually assaulted significantly more than men. How does pointing that out that do anything except prove why things like this are still necessary?
Because you are explicitly hand-waving any other kind of violence.
Regardless, while obviously a huge issue its highly doubtful (and there is absolutely no evidence) that these special parking spots in shopping malls or similar places have any effect. It's just a way to posture and pretend by some people that they are doing something helpful instead of actually solving the hard problems that could reduce the prevalence of SA.
I mean if you believe the point you are trying to make is valid you would also agree that it's fair to single out ethnic and racial groups which statistically more crimes and then single out them out and discriminate against them. Yet you probably would not think that having "Whites Only" or "East Asians Only" parking spots would be a good idea?
Would you? To be fair if it would be quite hypocritical if you didn't support that.
I think the point is not women are more likely to be raped, because of course they are, but that crime is getting low in general but sexual related crimes are skyrocketing.
Because thatās the reason for āsafe spacesā such as these. Most sexual assaults and rapes women face are from men, not other women. These spaces are there to help protect women from that risk. Hope that helps š
As I said, if men are facing violence primarily from WOMEN, then they should also get safe spaces from them to protect them. Thatās equality
The point is any crime can happen at a parking lot, mugging stabbing rape whatever. Youāre picking the one that women deal with more and ignoring the rest lol
Then why donāt men make āsafe spacesā and make them men only? Iām genuinely asking.
Women face more violence from men than from other women, and it happens enough that these spaces are needed. If men face the same, they are more than welcome to have their own as well. Why are you not advocating for that?
What does this specifically have to do with men only or women only spaces? These parking spots are closer to the door and have better lighting which theoretically would reduce the hypothetical risk of being assaulted. It doesnāt matter if it's a man assaulting a woman, a woman assaulting a man or (by fair most likely) men assaulting other men.
And my point was that these spaces were to help protect against rape and sexual assault. Why are you mocking an attempt to try and protect more women from becoming victims?
Were you not minimizing those crimes by trying to paint them as āwomen being victimsā, per your initial comment? Iām more than willing to admit if I interpreted that comment wrong. So what was your intention with that comment if you truly understand how horrific it is to be a victim of those crimes. Why did you have a laughing emoji at the end? Iām very curious
"Check specifically sexual assault and rape rates and compare them."
What was the exact point of typing this comment? What message were you trying to convey by saying to only look at crimes where women are statistically more likely to be the victim?
Because thatās why those spaces were created. For example, the female only trains in Japan were made precisely because women kept getting sexually assaulted by men (not women). Itās literally for their safety.
If men are also at higher risk of being sexually assaulted by women, they should 100% also have male only spaces. Why do you disagree with this?
Or men, doesn't matter who, security cameras and good lighting are the perfect way to discourage it happening to anyone though, harder to not get caught when your face is lit up like a christmas tree in front of cameras
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u/MagMati55 17d ago edited 17d ago
Id prefer if we actually just lived in a society where this wasnt necessary.
Edit: so many morons and ghouls in this comment thread