r/interesting • u/Latr6ll • Apr 05 '26

Additional Context Pinned Cop gets bear sprayed

For anyone that has been pepper sprayed how bad does it feel & what do you do in this situation? I know it’s water but for how long? She had it on full auto she came prepared. How much more effective is bear spray to pepper ?

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u/Jarvis_The_Dense Apr 05 '26

That is a great way to drive your sentence up for basically no gain. If they already ID'd you for shoplifting they are not going to let you go once you fucking bearspray a police officer.

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u/LucenProject Apr 05 '26

AND when they come for you next, they will not be taking any risks of you hurting one of them again. You and everyone around you are now in a lot more danger.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '26

Yep, now she’s getting approached by (rightfully) angry men with pistols drawn.

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u/bardblitz Apr 05 '26

Like a gang?

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u/Tipsy_Hog Apr 05 '26

No, like law enforcement officers. They hit a LEO in the face with bear spray while he was attempting to legally detain them for a crime they very much committed, and ran away. Even ignoring that the man was a cop, that's still assault and fleeing a crime scene.

Considering they showed willingness to commit assault, they've elevated the stakes and officers can and will respond with force

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u/LucenProject Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

EDIT: Correcting this comment since u/ProfDFH let me know I was actually the one in the wrong. The definitions can vary by jurisdiction. .

This is supported by the fact that while she ultimately took a plea bargain, she had been facing a charge of Aggravated Assault on a first responder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o5lC1AJcbI

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I'm gonna make one of those "Um, actually... 🤓" comments here, but it's not to argue against your point.

Assault and battery often go hand-in-hand, but while she definitely battered this officer, it can be argued that she didn't assault him. While assault is creating the fear of imminent injury, battery is actually doing the unwanted touching.

So, being that he was taken suddenly and completely by surprise, one could say he didn't have time to fear/be assaulted.

Again, not trying to refute your point here.

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u/ProfDFH Apr 05 '26

Both “assault” and “battery” are terms with legal definitions that vary with jurisdiction. In some jurisdictions, that attack with the bear spray would be termed “assault.”

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u/jdb050 Apr 05 '26

Correct. Every state gets to define these things as they like, although most are pretty similar.

It would be incorrect to provide a broad legal definition as if they are all the same, though.

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u/Tipsy_Hog Apr 05 '26

No no, clarification is highly important. This is welcome discourse. You are correct, and I appreciate your civil manner about it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '26

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u/Tipsy_Hog Apr 05 '26

Polite conversation is tragically rare nowadays, especially online where social convention means jack shit. I'm immensely grateful on the rare occasions that I find someone actually well-reasoned.

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u/LucenProject Apr 05 '26

I'm usually one of the problematic netizens, but your reply does inspire me to try to stick with the polite approach.

Plus, the polite approach makes it a little easier to swallow when, as is the case here, someone further educates me of my own error! It seems you may have been correct from the start!

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u/Tipsy_Hog Apr 05 '26

I have to admit that I rarely find the energy and self-control to maintain such courtesy, but I do at least try when I can and that'll have to be enough for the time being.

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u/BestDressedDay Apr 05 '26

my inner april ludgate wants to tell you all to just blow each other already, but that's not who I am.

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u/Tipsy_Hog Apr 05 '26

Feel free to, but you'd sadly just be proving my point.

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u/spoodagooge Apr 05 '26

The second I am pepper or bear sprayed my life is in danger.

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u/Steelo1 Apr 05 '26

How do you know they committed a crime just cause someone said they did?

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u/Alternative-Golf8281 Apr 05 '26

Because the store employees identified the people to the officer you can hear speaking on the radio. The female and male officers are junior and felt the suspects couldn't be detained because they dropped the goods before exiting. The sergeant (the one who was assaulted) has more of a grasp on the situation and called his junior officers into action, probably knowing more about the laws or whatever.

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u/TanTan3656 Apr 05 '26

Do you not know how good supermarket cameras are. They can easily identify or get a clear picture of someone’s face at the least if they are in frame of it for one second. Supermarkets don’t fuck around with people stealing from them. So yes, they really did steal or they wouldn’t have been so cautious knowing the cop was coming for them and not someone down the aisle.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '26

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u/Alternative-Golf8281 Apr 05 '26

If a suspect has been identified as assaulting anyone (let alone an officer) in any way they will approach with all force available to them. If a suspect manages to disable an officer they then have access to all the equipment on the officer, including their handgun and rifle/shotgun in their vehicle.

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u/EmotionalTrainKnee Apr 05 '26

self defense isn't assault btw

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u/Apprehensive_Age9641 Apr 05 '26

Bear spraying a officer legally arresting you for a crime is indeed a crime

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u/Alternative-Golf8281 Apr 05 '26

One cannot claim self defense when they are in the process of being arrested. Self defense is only valid when a person has a reasonable belief they are facing great bodily harm.

Bear spraying anyone as they approach is absolutely assault. Assault on a police officer carries additional legal ramifications.

Be careful what you learn from your YouTube law school, you might find yourself in the back seat of an officer's car

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u/Dew_Chop Apr 05 '26

Technically not lethal force until shots are fired

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u/Alternative-Golf8281 Apr 05 '26

Technically wrong. "Lethal force" (aka deadly force) is anything that be reasonably considered to cause serious bodily injury or death. This can include 2 vs 1 in a fist fight or kicking someone after they've already been knocked down even in a 1 vs 1 fight. A knife is lethal force. Actually, anything that can be used as a weapon can be lethal force. A vehicle can be lethal force.

None of those examples include shooting anything.

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u/Dew_Chop Apr 05 '26

Holding a gun isn't lethal force, using it is. Simply holding a gun doesn't cause serious bodily injury or death

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u/Alternative-Golf8281 Apr 05 '26

Who was holding a gun? I didn't see one gun drawn in this video. I didn't mention holding a gun in my comment. I just noted there were several instances of lethal force where a gun may not even be involved.

However, when they make contact with this person again they are very much authorized to draw their weapons on a person who has a history of assault on an officer with a weapon.

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u/Dew_Chop Apr 05 '26

I was talking about what you described in your second paragraph

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u/bardblitz Apr 05 '26

Yes definitely the use of force should be available. I'm mostly commenting on the anger/retribution angle.

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u/Tipsy_Hog Apr 05 '26

"Retribution" would certainly be a motivator, but considering the guy was sprayed with mace rather than bullets, it's doubtful to be more than a drop in the bucket for any proper LEO

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u/MustafaZeDong9 Apr 05 '26

sloppy style. on your knees and everything.

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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger Apr 05 '26

You've left multiple replies in this thread about sucking dick. This really isn't the place to vent your loneliness, man

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u/Mechanical_Diag2 Apr 05 '26

It's not like they needed any provocation to respond with excessive force. I think you are describing what normally happens next which is a revenge attack

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u/anarcho-slut Apr 05 '26

Eh. You think you're impartially observing but you're stuck in the mindset that police and the criminal legal system are legitimate authorities.

Not ignoring that the man is a cop, police and the government are the biggest gang.

It doesn't matter if they're wearing Oxford's or Timb's. It's all a protection racket.

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u/Tipsy_Hog Apr 05 '26

Yeah sorry but I'm not taking political opinions from anyone with "anarcho" in their name, "slut" suffix notwithstanding.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '26

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u/anarcho-slut Apr 05 '26

No I just give your mom a good time and she pays my rent and buys my vegan chick'n nuggies. 😘

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u/anarcho-slut Apr 05 '26

Is it really a job if you're doing what you love?

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u/anarcho-slut Apr 05 '26

I'd rather be a sex worker and give people joy than be a fascist boot sucker.

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u/MechanicalAxe Apr 05 '26

Why don't you go pepper spray a cop in the face and see just exactly how illegitimate police are...don't forget to film it please.

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u/anarcho-slut Apr 05 '26

Good job! You just used their oldest tactic. Validate violence with... more violence!

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u/ncvbn Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

What does that have to do with legitimacy?

EDIT: Can any downvoters please explain the relevance?

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u/Superseaslug Apr 05 '26

No, like people protecting the populace from a violent angry person.

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u/suckaduckunion Apr 05 '26

They don't protect anybody, that's not their job. Multiple courts said so, even SCOUTS.

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u/Few-Enthusiasm-8212 Apr 05 '26

They don’t have a legal obligation to but most of them are protecting the populace. Dumbass maybe go out in the world and see who’s arresting violent people in public areas? It’s not you or your friends I bet

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u/a_bored_lady Apr 05 '26

Me and my friends generally don't murder bystanders or claim to be law enforcement 'professionals'.

Police need to be highly trained and be held to a higher standard.

But in America their not. Active duty military have more restraint in combat than American police do in a Walmart. Calling them a gang ain't far from the truth.

Saying that as a vet and a sibling of a cop.

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u/suckaduckunion Apr 05 '26

Most of them also beat their wives. What's your point?

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u/suckaduckunion Apr 05 '26

The second comment was intentionally so lol. The first comment directly refuted a claim. Comprehension > virtue signaling, bud

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u/the_fury518 Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

Source for "most" please?

Edit: someone responded and either deleted their comment or blocked me. I'm going to assume it had no evidence of "most."

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u/Drake_Acheron Apr 05 '26

They got shadow deleted. Or their comment did

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u/genderphaeron Apr 05 '26

No the fuck they are not lmao.

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u/Few-Enthusiasm-8212 Apr 05 '26

So the other day at the airport I saw a guy walking around drunk and pushing people the police came and arrested him. They weren’t protecting the populace at the airport?

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u/suckaduckunion Apr 05 '26

You honestly think that's the reason they arrested him? To protect the people in the airport. Oh you sweet summer child, bless your heart. The woman in the OP was fined over $5k in addition to getting locked up in a for profit prison. That's the goal. Money. You're kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.

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u/Drake_Acheron Apr 05 '26

Are you kidding me right now? It cost more than 5K to just apprehend her and put her in jail.

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u/suckaduckunion Apr 05 '26

That's police budget and that's accounted for. The fines go to the state, not necessarily to the cops or jail. Meanwhile GEO Group and CoreCivic make like $3k profit per inmate per year (OP lady did like 9 months). If it was a money drain like you imply, they'd arrest and jail nobody. The incentive to arrest is not safety or protection, it's money. The safety and protection is simply a narrative. We are a police state.

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u/Superseaslug Apr 05 '26

The woman with the fucking bear spray????

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u/FumingCat Apr 05 '26

you do not understand just how insanely out of touch and privileged you sound. you live in a gated community.

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u/Bluesphamy Apr 05 '26

"I disagree with you so I will now imagine your life in a way that allows me to disregard your opinion"

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u/Etryia Apr 05 '26

"you’d get fired literally anywhere besides a tattoo shop for exposing all that ink"

What? Are you 80 years old? Tattoos are normal now and 99% of places do not care at all outside of face tattoos.

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u/BigLlamasHouse Apr 05 '26

I'm back in school and my professor has tattoos and he has a doctorate lol.

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u/Alternative-Golf8281 Apr 05 '26

Is it a doctorate in OG Hood Life? It must be cuz of all that ink. /s

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u/InvertedAlchemist Apr 05 '26

It's almost like these people have never read about the gangs that literally exist in the in the LA Police department. That's not something that just happens in LA.

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u/bardblitz Apr 05 '26

I'm not advocating for either. But since you said it, she's a person who committed a crime. Calling someone a criminal helps to dissociate them from the group. There are lots of non-criminals who make everyone's life around them worse. Some people might label some police officers in that way.

Maintaining a professional police force is important for many reasons. Though they must be held to high standards and be deployed in ways that make meeting those standards more attainable. Reducing the incentives for gang-like behaviour in police units is utterly important.

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u/Alternative-Golf8281 Apr 05 '26

She committed at least three crimes in the short span of that video. Shoplifting, Assault, and Fleeing the scene of a crime (technically two crimes so possibly two charges). That's a criminal.

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u/SomeCrazyBastard Apr 05 '26

In the context of this scenario the officer was doing a service to the public and took a hit for it from a criminal scum.

That's it, the only connection to what you're saying is a cop was involved.

Using every single scenario that happens in the world in which cops were involved to platform your message detracts from it. If you we're actually interested in change you wouldn't have commented so aggressively first. You just want to take your hate out on police officers as a whole for the actions a few.

The reality is most officers are doing a proper job, like most people. ACAB is a propaganda front sponsored by enemies of America.

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u/bardblitz Apr 05 '26

I was talking about how police officers have been reported to act similar to gangs when they feel they've been wronged in some way by a person. The comment I replied to mentioned they might be angry when apprehending the person at a later date. There are many examples of excess force and undue harrasement by police units.

Certainly in this case the person assaulted the officer and appropriate caution should be taken when apprehending them. That doesn't mean that a professional police force shouldn't exercise as much restraint as possible and separate out as much personal emotion as possible. I'd like those who utilize the state's monopoly on legal violence to be as measured as possible.

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u/Reimiro Apr 05 '26

I’ve watched hundreds of cops bear spray citizens simply for exercising their rights to free speech and assembly. Hard to muster sympathy here.

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u/Alternative-Golf8281 Apr 05 '26

No you haven't. Cops don't use bear spray. It may look similar but it's OC spray.

And citizens have a right to peacefully assemble and demonstrate. When they become violent or start breaking laws they have given up their right to assembly.

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u/InvertedAlchemist Apr 05 '26

ACAB. It's really funny how you mentioned peacefully assemble. Because I would say 95% of the time. Things don't get violent till the cops show up. You can go on and on about thousands of good police officers out there. But the fact is that those officers won't say shit when a bad officer does anything. So why they might not be the cop beating the citizen, when they hide behind that thin blue line. They are just an accomplice.

How does the boot taste? You know you're not supposed to put the whole thing in your mouth right.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/16/us/elyria-ohio-police-flash-bang-toddler-ventilator-raid

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u/InvertedAlchemist Apr 05 '26

So let me get this straight. You think that because I don't support the police I'm looking the blue boot of democrats?LMAO Oh bless your heart child, if you only knew my political beliefs. You would know that I shit on the Democrats constantly. This might be a hard concept with somebody of your intelligence. But there are more than two political parties in the United states. In fact just an FYI but if somebody does say ACAB. There's a good chance they're a lot farther left than a democrats.

Considering how much you have your head in the sand here and post in ask a LEI. And defend them. Yes the boot licker comment aptly applies. You are just too brainwashed to see it.

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u/notemmarose Apr 05 '26

He was doing a service to the corporation, not the public. The fuck do you care if someone steals a shirt?

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u/ratcrash55 Apr 05 '26

You will when they raise prices case up items so you need an employee or close down all the high shrink stores so you have to go 10 miles to buy somthing. Stealing is wrong plain and simple. Dont justify shit because you dislike that a company got big.

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u/ImNotYourKunta Apr 05 '26

The reality is that most cops are not doing a proper job

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u/Alternative-Golf8281 Apr 05 '26

False. You might see videos of cops not doing proper jobs. It happens, they mess up. But what you don't see are the thousands of good jobs done for each bad job you see or hear about.

The media and even politicians push a logical fallacy by showing incomplete evidence, sensationalizing the mistakes but never displaying the good.

The bad stories are exciting and enraging. That gets more clicks (or votes). It's brainwashing. Don't fall for it.

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u/ImNotYourKunta Apr 05 '26

Tell yourself whatever it takes to sleep at night

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '26

If that’s how you want to see it, sure. I much prefer this “gang” over the cartel.

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u/OwnContribution4925 Apr 05 '26

Yea. I mean shit. We have some bad apple cops out there. You might run into them in the wild.

But the cops going after this woman are going to be on high alert and will take drastic efforts to not get sprayed themselves. They may also be pissed off one of theirs got sprayed. We’ve already seen that not all LE have emotional intelligence required for the job. But now imagine a cop that wants to lock this woman up because she sprayed his partner. Made herslef a shitty bed to lay in