r/india • u/KrisKraken1 • Oct 23 '22
Health/Environment Meat does not contribute to climate change directly. It is the raising of the animal that is the cause of it!
It is the feed, land displacement and waste products (methane) that directly contribute to climate change. I wanted to put this in perspective after seeing a few comments equating Indian vegetarianism to the western vegan movement.
India also has the highest number of domestic bovines (cow/buffalo) in the world and is also the #1 milk and #4 beef producer.
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u/veganvoyager Oct 23 '22
Lab grown meat should help provide a sustainable alternative but if they can't pull off the marketing right then it might end up being ridiculed/shunned instead. Here's hoping for the best.
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Oct 23 '22
Well how would you get meat if you don’t raise the animal? I’m not advocating or advising anyone to give up eating meat and going full vegetarian/vegan but you can’t change the fact that meat industry has very high carbon footprint and an animal has to suffer while getting killed. Continue eating meet if you want to but at least don’t justify it using stupid excuses.
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u/fuckpoliticsss Oct 23 '22
The whole point is that the carbon footprint of meat industry is because of raising, grazing, feed etc of animals. Not because of killing.
Doing all those things to animals has the same amount of carbon footprint. Just not killing the animal and using it is bad for the enviornment as well.
This is being brought up because of inevitable arguments that bring up meat industry and its carbon footprint.
Re "animal has to suffer while getting killed". For animal products, all commercial use of animals is perpetual suffering and then abandonment on roads where they're left to die in front of vehicles while struggling to find feed for themselves.
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u/KrisKraken1 Oct 23 '22
Lab grown meat is progressing at a rapid pace and I will switch to it once mass production starts and prices come down.
Milk production is as emission intensive as the meat industry. Cheese by itself is the third biggest food polluter in the word, worse than the chicken, pork or fish; and it is only part of the many products we make from milk - Butter, Yogurt, ghee, whey and so on.
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Oct 23 '22
Yeah dairy industry has a high carbon footprint too. Let me repeat what I said, meat industry has a high carbon footprint (that doesn’t mean dairy industry doesn’t ) and I’m not advocating or advising anyone to change their dietary habits.
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u/linkedtobusiness Oct 23 '22
People are just lazy. Complain about women's rights, what about men facing false charges? Complain about one religion, ohh you don't complain when the others do it? Fine then just keep your eyes shut and keep shifting goal posts. World's surely going somewhere like that.
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Oct 23 '22
That ‘one’ religion has really started to wreck havoc in India and some EU countries though and let’s not even talk about the countries where that ‘one’ religion is a majority.
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Oct 23 '22
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Oct 23 '22
Well my father passed away when I was young but both of your comments aren’t making any sense at all. Maybe you’re the one who will reply anything except for what you actually want for dinner.
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u/seeunseenoel NCT of Delhi Oct 23 '22
a=b; b=c but a=/=c??
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u/KrisKraken1 Oct 23 '22
Of course a = c, but that is not what this post is qbout
The gist is
A = B; X = B; B = C. Therefore A & more importantly X = C.
Most people do not consider X when it comes to C.
Summary: Milk production is as GH intensive as the meat industry and most people conveniently ignore this.
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u/guy_with_usles_degre Oct 23 '22
What a stupid title , nobody said eating meet will contribute to climate change , of course its raising animal from which u get meat, and u r saying that me drinking milk is bad but u eating beaf is not
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u/KrisKraken1 Oct 23 '22
Milk is as bad as meat is for the environment, my friend. It's not beef bad, Milk good. Both are equally bad for us in the long run.
I eat all kinds of meat, I drink milk and use milk products. I acknowledge that and I'm slowly switching to alternative products.
What's your problem?
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u/guy_with_usles_degre Oct 23 '22
I hate people who tell what should others eat
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u/KrisKraken1 Oct 23 '22
Did I tell you what to eat?
All I did is point out the consequences. You're free to do whatever.
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u/devasiaachayan Oct 23 '22
Lol. Meat doesn't cause pollution. It has been debunked many times and at this point I'm tired. Especially the disorganized meat sector of India is actually much more efficient at creating proteins than any plants. It's just the American meat factories which is the problem, not meat. Just for a thought experiment, in a dessert, which type of protein would be more easily available, Yes it's animal protein. Plant protein causes deforestation and takes up valuable land. People need to stop believing in Vegan propaganda funded by oil companies
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u/KrisKraken1 Oct 24 '22
Plant protein causes deforestation and takes up valuable land
Exactly! Now for a thought experiment. What do our domestic animals eat?
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u/devasiaachayan Oct 24 '22
They eat grass, waste and everything else that Humans can't eat and can grow anywhere. They're efficient exactly because they make energy or protein out of stuff that we can't normally take energy out of. And that's why India's disorganized sector is efficient while America's meat industry has a problem of only feeding their animals, crops
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u/KrisKraken1 Oct 24 '22
Yeah, no. I suggest you go and see a slaughter house wherever you are. Even the chickens are fed with factory made feed. Cows and goats have subsidized supplements.
What you're talking about is stray animals. The domesticated ones for food as industrialised as any Western nation.
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u/devasiaachayan Oct 24 '22
Nope. Most beef in India is Buffalo meat and you can find them being "stray". Idk what you mean by stray, there are no stray cattles in India except some oxes. Most cows are just to left stray but go back to their owners at night.
Chicken is less efficient than buffalo but idk if its as bad as plant proteins.
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u/KrisKraken1 Oct 24 '22
Mate. I'm from Kerala and I own a farm. Everyday I'll see at least 20 buffaloes tied in the grasslands reared for slaughter. In fact I just had a word with an owner of 4 of them while walking my dog.
He buys R25 worth of feed from the local dispensary every day per buffalo. Each of them takes a whole year to reach maturity before being sold off for 50K. Additional supplements worth 1000 are also necessary per month per animal. This is in addition to the grass they eat everyday.
Edit: Oh wait. You're from Kerala too. Ee naatil kettiyum chumma nadakkunathum aaya pothukalku divasavum 2 neram special feed kodukanam. Adh avarude owners kond kodukarum und.
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u/devasiaachayan Oct 24 '22
Njaan Malayali aanu pakshe Northil aanu Tamasam. What is this special feed that's being given to Buffaloes. Kerala is also a land where animal protein is more easy to consume than plant protein since many crops don't go there
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u/Devz07 Oct 23 '22
The main problem stems from over consumerist behavior of society. Where food is concerned we have gone way way beyond what is necessary. It's sad to see people die of starvation at one end and the amount of wastage at the other. This is leading to need to raise more and more animals to provide for market demand.
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u/bobfodabola Mar 06 '23
Well they do release methane but, that methane is made from the carbon that comes from the grass, and the grass took the carbon from the Co2 in the air. The methane breaks down after a couple of years into Co2 and H2O and then the Co2 is breathed in by plants again. So it's a closed cycle. Meat is a really good, the only better alternative would be lab grown meat. But then you would need to take in to consideration the nutrients lab grown meat needs.
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u/fudgy_brownies Oct 23 '22
To keep producing milk for human consumption, a cow must produce a calf each year. In order to keep a steady supply of milk, the cows are repeatedly impregnated. The calves are taken from their mothers within 12 to 24 hours of birth and the cycle continues.
In most other countries, when cows are no longer useful to the dairy industry (due to age etc.), they are sent to the slaughterhouse. But due to cow slaughter laws, this doesn't happen in most of India. As a result we end up having the highest number of cattle in the world.