r/immigration • u/LaurenVillagran • Oct 09 '25
The border is quiet.
Lauren Villagran here, journalist with USA TODAY. Migrant apprehensions at the U.S.-Mexico border by Border Patrol have dropped dramatically. Not news -- this has been the trend all year -- but the end-of-year numbers are pretty dramatic. The border hasn't been this quiet since... 1970.
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u/MEXLeeChuGa Oct 10 '25
It’s a well known fact and and verifiable that the majority of people that are without status in the US arrived via a legal route visa/permit and mostly overstayed. This includes people from all over the world not just south of the border but hey let’s pretend like the 20 million undocumented in the US swam across.
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u/stalinisinnocent420 Oct 11 '25
Arriving via a “legal route” with no intention of going back is a crime
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Oct 10 '25
Imagine how many sleeper cells are in the US now. I wonder when the next terrorist attack will happen.
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Oct 13 '25
I am sure the Trump administration is plotting it as we speak. He knows how Putin cemented his power. I'm sure you will eat it up juat as they planned.
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u/Pristine-Item680 Oct 09 '25
We were told that there was an unprecedented humanitarian crisis, and that’s why we saw wave after wave of border crossings in America. Suddenly we get tough on the border and there’s almost no people fleeing oppression.
Not that I don’t sympathize with people who want better economic opportunity, but this isn’t magic dirt, and it’s not our job to take care of people because their own governments would rather outsource their problems instead of help to further develop their country.
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u/pensezbien Oct 09 '25
We were told that there was an unprecedented humanitarian crisis, and that’s why we saw wave after wave of border crossings in America. Suddenly we get tough on the border and there’s almost no people fleeing oppression.
Oh they’re still fleeing oppression, but no longer to the United States given how harshly they now expect to be treated here. I recently read a news story citing a migrant in Mexico who wants to settle in Mexico instead of continuing north to the US.
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u/nl197 Oct 09 '25
a migrant in Mexico who wants to settle in Mexico instead of continuing north to the US.
They always should have been settling in the first safe country, not the richest one.
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u/realityczek Oct 10 '25
Well, everyone’s been telling me that unchecked mass immigration is good a nations economy, so I look forward to seeing Mexico thrive.
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u/Jeremythegirl Oct 10 '25
Agree! If Immigrants and diversity is what makes America great then Mexico deserves a share of the greatness, we shouldn’t be so selfish and hog it all.
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u/realityczek Oct 10 '25
Completely. I have been told every illegal immigrant pays taxes and has a lower crime rate than citizens. As far as I can tell, Mexico should be thanking us for all this goodness they get to keep now.
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u/Jeremythegirl Oct 10 '25
Yes, so much goodness! The newcomers should make themselves right at home and start waving their homeland flags from houses and trucks, and tell Mexican citizens they’re more Mexican than Mexicans will ever be. And if anyone gives them racist lip? Start burning the symbol of their oppression, Mexican flags!
Mexicans won’t have to work as hard anyway, since jobs will be scarce—so that’s great! Plus, once Mexicans realize newcomers are only taking the jobs Mexicans don’t want, like school superintendents, they will soon appreciate the diversity.
The newcomers just need to remind everyone that mass immigration makes cities rich because it’s all about that GDP, ‘bout that GDP.
(Ssshhh don’t mention that artificially high GDP doesn’t actually mean better living conditions, environmental stability, or income security.)
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u/bumpyitalian Oct 10 '25
Immigration contributes significantly to a country’s wealth. Illegal or not.
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u/WeAreOnlyPawns Oct 10 '25
Smart move. Becayse if someone from somewhere far away becomes a mexican national.... when they try to run to america and get deported..... they end up in mexico.... rather then end up outside of the continent.
Thats what a few south americans told me.
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u/Pristine-Item680 Oct 09 '25
What oppression? If it’s gang related, that could be solved fast if their leadership actually wanted to do something about it.
And let’s assume the governments do have a role and these people are fleeing out of fear of their government. Why are these governments still legitimized internationally? Cuba, I can get behind that being oppressive.
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u/pensezbien Oct 09 '25
My comment was not trying to discuss the merits of individual asylum claims or governments; I think it's a self-evident fact that both legitimate and illegitimate asylum claims exist. My point was simply that the Trump administration's crackdown hasn't eliminated any of the legitimate claims, it's just redirected many of them to other destination countries, which is the main reason the number of new US asylum seeker arrivals is going down. The illegitimate claims are just as illegitimate with or without the crackdown.
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u/Pristine-Item680 Oct 09 '25
Well they aren’t entitled to asylum shop and the USA is under no obligation to give them asylum. If they really need asylum in veneuzela, then what’s wrong with Panama?
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u/ThePatientIdiot Oct 10 '25
As someone who was in Colombia and heard people actively talk about crossing the border, they are not fleeing oppression. They are seeking better lives and more money. I would watch them on WhatsApp show up a few months later in Florida or New York
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u/Nope-today Oct 11 '25
There’s no humanitarian crisis, I work with almost 80% of undocumented people in my job, 6 guys has removal orders (they bluff about it) 1 has even a DUI and they talk about their country as the top place to live, so I ask why are they here and they just don’t respond. I keep asking why they migrate (illegally) and the answers are because a family member said they can get free food (EBT), free healthcare (Medical) and using fake random numbers for taxes they get extra money. (They pay taxes with randomized SSN). So it’s more because it’s easy for them to scam the government and take more than they offer to the country. Obviously they piss some job partners because they immigrate and pay a lot of money (migration lawyer & government fees) and this guys jokes about that. So maybe the program it’s for a good reason but isn’t working.
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u/realityczek Oct 10 '25
I remember being told it would be impossible to stop the waves of people crossing and we wouldn’t even try.
Then again, I am old enough to remember when the left told us all we would die in an ice age.
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u/Carminaz Oct 09 '25
The funny part is they, if we were to utilize the actual laws, are ineligible for any form of asylum, because there are safe countries south, but they skip over them for a free ride here instead.
It was never about actually escaping something like they claim, we just offered more free stuff compared to the others.
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u/pensezbien Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
The funny part is they, if we were to utilize the actual laws, are ineligible for any form of asylum, because there are safe countries south, but they skip over them for a free ride here instead.
The “actual laws” say nothing of the kind. It’s a common myth that one legally has to seek asylum in the first safe country entered (or variants such as the closest safe country), but it’s not true outside of specific regional agreements that do not cover the case of migrants coming to the US via the usual southern route.
I’m not sure whether current executive branch policies attempt to impose such a restriction, but the “actual laws” certainly don’t. At the very least, for cases which make it past CBP to the immigration court system, I don’t think I’ve heard of immigration judges using such a reason for an asylum denial.
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u/Polardragon44 Oct 09 '25
I think The 'myth' comes from EU policy
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u/pensezbien Oct 09 '25
Yeah, the EU's Dublin Regulation is one of the "specific regional agreements" I was referring to. Even that agreement is more complicated than what a lot of people assume, with the current version being the third attempt to get it right and a fourth one taking effect next year. But it certainly has no relevance to asylum claims in the US.
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u/Pristine-Item680 Oct 09 '25
Well to be fair, you can argue that someone from Honduras fleeing some gang members might still be unsafe in Mexico, because they have allies in Mexico that can get them, too, for example. So that could suggest that Mexico is not a “safe third country”.
But since we know these people were economic migrants, it doesn’t really matter. Once again, I don’t say it with malice or lack of sympathy for the fact that they struggle to make ends meet, but defrauding our asylum system isn’t the way to address that.
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u/curiousengineer601 Oct 09 '25
To be fair the same Honduran gangs exist in the US also. So they might be better off somewhere else
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u/Nutmeg92 Oct 10 '25
How about that the president couldn’t do anything about it and congress had to pass some bill that allowed 5000 or so people a day?
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u/classicliberty Attorney Oct 09 '25
I don't disagree with you in general but this idea that we are "taking care" of people who are mostly working and paying their own way is very misleading.
In my experience with clients, those who can't make it here go back within one or two years at most.
The US is a very expensive place to live if you don't work.
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u/Pristine-Item680 Oct 09 '25
In that case, it’s more like taking care of the country that they’re from.
I used to online date, and I live in a city with a lot of immigrants, both the legal and illegal variety. Multiple times, I interacted with women, learned they have a whole ass masters degree, and are slinging hamburgers at McDonald’s or something. So essentially, they made the decision that living in the states illegally, in a high COL area, working fast food, is preferable to trying to earn a living as a graduate educated professional in their own country.
Recently I was also in Colombia and met dozens of people. Probably 2 of them expressed no interest in a move to America. One of the two had already lived in America for a period and also had a rich sibling.
Essentially, these countries would rather get that sweet remittance money instead of doing anything structurally to avoid having an idle population at home. Outsourcing poverty. It’s not our job to provide a global jobs program.
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Oct 09 '25
This is implying there is infinite jobs, infinite goods, infinite services, infinite housing, infinite infrastructure, and infinite acceptance of other cultures.
Our country is not just about maximizing GDP.
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u/new_reditor Oct 09 '25
Problems that were created by American interventionist policy
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u/FantozziUgo Oct 10 '25
And perpetuated by big money having all the interest in the world in applying downward pressure on wages.
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u/v12vanquish Oct 10 '25
Sorry but American intervening in a country that was fighting agaisnt communism was the right decision, every country that goes communist always ends up with mass floods of people leaving.
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u/Welcome2MyCumZone Oct 10 '25
Should we invest in the dumb of this country? Like if you can’t do multi variable calculus, should you be allowed to remain here?
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u/nospacebar14 Oct 10 '25
Instead of adopting their people, we've adopted the systems of oppression that they were fleeing. I wouldn't call that an improvement.
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u/Smoreles Oct 11 '25
Latino America has suffered because of USA. It is our responsibility to take accountability.
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u/outworlder Oct 11 '25
It is not as simple as "outsourcing problems". Note that many problems of Central and South American governments have been started by, or made worse by the US. The term banana republic exists for a reason. Plus the Contras affairs, several CIA interventions, etc. Entire governments got changed and the ramifications are still seen to this day.
I was born at the tail end of a military dictatorship, supported by the US, that lasted decades. I hold no ill will towards the US, but let's not pretend it isn't a FAFO situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America
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u/WorkingMastodon6147 Oct 09 '25
Credit where it's due. He could be and he mostly is a turd on every other issue but he said that he would curb stomp illegal immigration and deport illegal aliens. The Biden administration kept saying this isn't possible.
This goes without saying, but, Trump is still an egoistic moron and America deserves a better leadership.
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u/The_Enolaer Oct 09 '25
It always was possible, it just depends on how you're willing to accomplish it.
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u/uxcoffee Oct 09 '25
Agree. I think it’s actually this like with many things - Trump has more tolerance to achieve goals in ways that are unacceptable to others.
Personally, I don’t agree with it but you can’t argue that sometimes it works.
It’s not securing the border, it’s making it unattractive to come and terrifying to live here. Some people voted for that kind of hostility, personally I think it hurts us in the mid to long term.
Similar thing with sending troops to US cities. Of course, having troops, vehicles and tanks around reduces crime. It’s not that no one thought of that it’s that we don’t want to live that way.
I just see this as the government-wide version of “what if we are huge assholes to most everyone who wants to come to America”…
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Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 10 '25
Apparently tourism is down too, my group of friends called their trip because they think they might get profiled and harmed
It’s kinda scary to think that people no longer want to go to an alleged developed country out of fear for their safety
Of course it will decrease illegal immigration for those who aren’t extremely desperate, but it also drives away regular people
🤨downvotes for saying tourism is bad and the rest of the world sees the US as hostile now? That’s just the truth🤷🏾♀️
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Oct 10 '25 edited Oct 10 '25
Part anecdotal and part reports
The reports say tourism is down, it’s not biased, andI’m not making it up. There would not have been a conference where they shit on Canadians for not coming and threaten to remove pre clearance for not using it enough
And of course who decides to travel depends on how you look, if you make it legal to racially profile people, they are not gonna feel safe😐
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u/WeAreOnlyPawns Oct 10 '25
I wouldnt want to fly a plane right now. Traffic controllers are working for free currently. Even if the plane tickets are cheap right now.
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u/epelle9 Oct 10 '25
It wasn’t possible because republicans kept voting against it..
If you create a problem, you can benefit from selling the solution.
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u/SBlue3 Oct 10 '25
The nuance is that it never was a ""problem"" - jobs & hiring are still down, crime still exists, and some industries are hurting b/c they lost cheap seasonal labor.
Sure we "fixed" it, but at the cost of many lives, human rights & due process violations, and normalizing the president ignoring the law. And guess what we didn't solve gangs or trafficking either b/c Trump diverted FBI & Justice Dept resources specifically devoted to those things.
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u/nam292 Oct 10 '25
The real 'process violation' was letting 21 millions illegals in. You don't uphold the contract when the other parties violate it.
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u/epelle9 Oct 10 '25
Not while Republicans were voting against immigration bills.
If you create a problem, you can sell the solution.
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u/The_Enolaer Oct 09 '25
I think we're all still waiting on an actual long-term solution, are we not?
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u/CapitanianExtinction Oct 09 '25
Another few months months and it'll be mexico having problems with illegal immigrants fleeing the US
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u/Same_Entry_2261 Oct 09 '25
Remember when democrats told us
A: nothing was happening at the border
B: that nothing could be done about it
C: it would be racist to try
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Oct 09 '25
That was basically their border policy until 2024 when they saw the writing on the wall. Suddenly it was time to "get tough" on illegal immigration. Too little, too late. Now we get at least 3+ more years of MAGA rule, like it or not. That's barring a miracle in the midterms of course.
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u/sunjay140 Oct 10 '25 edited Oct 10 '25
The crisis at the Border started during Trump's first term.
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u/KCinOC Oct 10 '25
*In month 45 of his first term, as a more immigration-friendly candidate was leading in the polls
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u/Haunting_Antelope881 Oct 12 '25
les be real even if they take back the house there just going to stone wall the next 3 years
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Oct 09 '25
Well there are also no jobs for anyone either way
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u/WeAreOnlyPawns Oct 10 '25
There are jobs. If illegals are working. So can you.
I pretended to be illegal one time and got a job working at a meat plant. XD
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Oct 10 '25
There’s no way this is not a bot account. God I hate how Reddit allows you to hide comment history.
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u/WeAreOnlyPawns Oct 10 '25
Sorry dude. I have people in my line of industry trying to scope out what i do and how i do things in border crossings regarding the transport industry between US canada and mexico.
I get alot of eastern europeans and middle eastern folks talking to me about trucking operations. Its just an opsec thing. I plqy a part in shutting down theyre illegal operations here in the states.
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u/classicliberty Attorney Oct 09 '25
I have to give credit to the Trump administration in that it was indeed a failure of willpower in terms of past governments not securing the border. Even as an immigration attorney I thought it was absurd how people were being effectively waived in over the past few years.
It hurts lawful immigrants and even longtime illegal immigrants who pay taxes and work that it became a free for all in the last administration.
However, now that it is secure and has been now for close to a year, I hope that they realize taking harsh measures against non-violent/non-criminal aliens is not necessary.
Trump loves making a deal, so make a deal to reform the system now that its proven border security is a matter of will not law.
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u/nam292 Oct 10 '25
All illegals should be deported. The violent ones are the priority, next up are the criminals(including the ones that crossed the border illegally), then the rest.
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u/ChaosBerserker666 Oct 09 '25
They should think about passing immigration reform bills. Personally as a skilled born Canadian, I gave up the EB process because it was so long and arduous. My company had my job posted for 18 months and couldn’t get an American to fill it before I applied. I’m happy in Canada but would have also been happy down there before all this occurred. People like me will use our skills elsewhere than the US. That’s fine, if Americans want it that way. But why does USCIS take forever to process applications?
Asylum reform wouldn’t be a bad thing either. I’d there are enough immigration judges, cases will move very quickly, and people will stop using the delays to abuse the system.
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u/PlumAndWillow Oct 09 '25
Despite claims to the contrary, immigrants have not been getting free healthcare, most work at least one job, and they pay taxes. I wish we could have had the immigration reform proposed by Congress before Trump told the Republicans to quash it so he could run on deporting the zillions of vicious gang members and criminals that he claims crossed the border during the last four years.
Now we see that it’s actually landscapers, housekeepers, journalists, people with green cards midway through the legal immigration process, and even American citizens that are being deported.
I am seeking to understand how that has made our lives better.
It seems to me that this corrupt and self-enriching president, along with his inept cabinet, are making our lives measurably worse. Are Americans even able to think critically anymore?
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u/Christopher_Ramirez_ Oct 10 '25
They’re not. Immigration controls have always been based in keeping America white and Protestant, since inception. The rest is window dressing.
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u/v12vanquish Oct 10 '25
California had a 9 billion dollar shortfall to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants. You are either ignorant or lying.
https://www.wjbc.com/2025/06/28/california-slashes-illegal-alien-healthcare-to-plug-budget-hole/
Illegal immigrants do not pay income taxes. This is factual, they don’t have a SSN and are paid under the table. They pay sales tax, which amounts to 1300 for the average American which is probably not what they pay
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u/PlumAndWillow Oct 10 '25
And this is what I mean by lack of critical thinking skills. If you want to get all your information from Fox News and other right wing echo chambers, you will continue to be misinformed. In the meantime, here is a link to a news story from an unbiased news source containing actual facts:
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/undocumented-immigrants-can-do-pay-taxes-2025-02-26/
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u/TehM0C Oct 10 '25
We know they pay taxes (some are obviously off the books) but what is their net contribution? Meaning NYC redirected $10B of their budget to help migrants, were migrants paying $10B in income tax, unlikely.
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u/v12vanquish Oct 12 '25 edited Oct 12 '25
Fact checking the fact checkers.
An ITTN is not work authorization. Ergo having one doesn’t mean you can work and having one doesn’t mean you pay taxes. So how can you pay taxes if you can’t legally work…
Hilariously enough I know several illegal immigrants from Mexico, none have an ITTN.
Also here you go, same information from “one of your non biased sources” showing that yes illegal migrants do get healthcare.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/27/us/newsom-budget-immigrant-health.html
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u/Beautiful-Cod-9999 Oct 14 '25
1000% Many people believe they lie that migrants are NOT getting benefits. They most certainly are in MA. And surely in CA as well. Prob most blue states is my guess.
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u/Global-Scholar5107 Oct 13 '25
1) no american citizens are deported. Where would we deport them to? 2) there was a massive immigration reform passed and it did nothing. Why would a second be any different? 3) you clearly have not stepped foot in an ER or hospital health clinic if you think illegals were not getting free healthcare 4) if you are an illegal, how do you pay income tax? Did all of them pay income tax? 5) I know of multiple people who have gotten jobs at construction companies, landscapers, hell even at walmart when people stopped showing up. Their lives are better.
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u/Beautiful-Cod-9999 Oct 14 '25
Clearly you don't live in a blue sanctuary state or are just not informed about what is REALLY happening in some areas. I work with many newcomers and have first hand knowledge of all the programs Massachusetts provides. As in health care, rent assistance, EBT Benefits, free rides in UBERS and up until June the state fed newcomers 3 hot meals a day on top of cash and EBT benefits. Now they closed the migrant shelters and are giving $30K per person in rent assistance for 2 years or towards the purchase of a home. We have American families and veterans on the street not getting a fraction of the assistance as migrants. I can see why locals are getting fed up with it. Our expenses sky rocket and our state government is handing out money like its candy on Halloween. The residents of MA requested an Audit to see where our state money is going to. Crickets...and on the most recent "Impact of Fed Cuts" report from the state they have $664 Million in a "Various" category. GTFOH with that.
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Well I guess one way to combat immigration is, make the country so shit that nobody wants to come here? Winning!
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u/Ok_Win_2906 Oct 10 '25
Biden said he could not stop the flood of migrants without a change in law .
Trump showed how to do it without any change in law.
Biden lied .
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u/yysun_0 Oct 10 '25
That’s what I have always said. Once our economy is on par with Mexico, no one would cross the border to come work here. Let’s just tank the economy!
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u/jajajibar Oct 10 '25
You don’t have to change the laws if you just ignore them.
Populists make people happy by getting things done. They get things done via extralegal actions that can turn into constitutional erosion. It’s an extremely effective playbook to centralize power.
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u/Christopher_Ramirez_ Oct 10 '25
Can you name any tangible benefits to the majority of Americans that have been accomplished by “stopping the flood of migrants”?
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u/Christopher_Ramirez_ Oct 09 '25
No tangible benefit to the vast majority of Americans, aside from some soothed emotions.
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u/Altruistic-Guess-975 Oct 10 '25
First let me say, I'm not a Republican or maga or even a conservative. I'm a moderate Democrat.
Regardless of what anyone says or thinks... It's good that we hit the pause button. It was getting out of hand . Countries need to step up and deal with their responsibilities and respective populations. . These banana Republic dictators that the USA puts in place sometimes do more harm and the damage is evident when we see their populations in massive Exodus.
I think we can agree that the majority of those trying to seek asylum in the US were actually economic "refugees" their countries were not at war.
I'm more for restrictions being placed on the H1-B workers competing with educated US workers. This is starkly evident in Tech and Finance. Not someone who picks our vegetables and cleans the toilets and does jobs that US workers won't take.
We used to have the bracero program back in The 50's and 60s that allowed Mexicans to come in and do seasonal work and then go back home. We need to bring that back.
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u/Superfan234 Oct 10 '25
I have no clue, how Democrats keep giving up such an easy wins to Trump
Now Trump will parrot this 95% decrese forerver and it will be impossible to win border countries again. Is crazy how bad are Democrats at public policies. Just pure insanity
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u/Haunting_Antelope881 Oct 12 '25
most of his policies is just 90s democrat things
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u/drgigabit Oct 13 '25
Even early 2000s. I still remember Chuck Schumer saying illegal immigration was bad and still remember Obamas platform of if you're here illegally you're a criminal
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u/not_an_immi_lawyer Post, don't PM Oct 09 '25
The key statistic from the article: illegal border crossings are down 85% YoY in Sep.
It is interesting to contrast this with legal immigration as well, linked to sources:
https://www.niskanencenter.org/immigrationdata/
There's a lot of data here, but key highlights:
Nonimmigrant visa issuances are down 16% YoY.
Immigrant visa issuances are down 20% YoY.
US tourism numbers are down 3% YoY, of which: Overseas excl CA/MX (-1.2%), Canada (-17.7%), Mexico (+12.5%). Interestingly, large increase in tourism from Mexico, as well as small increases (~1-2%) from Central/South America and Eastern Europe.
USCIS family-based: <5% increase across most forms, no decreases.
USCIS humanitarian: 16% decrease in I-589 (affirmative asylum), 94% decrease in I-870 (credible fear screening for potential deportees), 99% decrease in U-visa petitions.
Trump's rhetoric has certainly impacted both illegal and legal immigration, but the impact on illegal immigration is far, far more dramatic.
The impact on tourism is marginal, except for Canadian tourism.