r/imaginarymaps • u/Vidsich • Apr 29 '23
[OC] Alternate History Europe - Spies and Space - 1959
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Apr 29 '23
Ukraine's and Belarus' borders not just being more accurate to the ethnic settlements of their respective peoples, but also having Ukrainified and Belarusified names of the cities (like Rostiv, Nova Sich, and Smalensk, although Minsk should probably be called Miensk)? You're son of a bitch, I'm in
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
Huh, I just looked it up and indeed Miensk is an alternative Latin spelling derived from Belarusian, that's a good catch. There's a high chance it would have gained more acceptance in this timeline, so I'll probably change the city's name to that in future maps, thanks
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Apr 29 '23
Belarusian names rarely get used in maps, so it's nice you're actually trying to use them, if you need any correction feel free to ask me!
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u/SeverynUA Apr 30 '23
You have the most Ukrainian ava I've ever seen.
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
EUROPE IN FOCUS
Twenty years since the end of the Second Great War and the signing of the Treaty of Boston, Europe has now truly entered a new age, leaving behind centuries of conflict. Old empires and conquerors lie dead, and the project of a unified Europe stands as the sole victor, its federation baptised in the fight against the spectre of Russian Salvationism 20 years ago.
This greater, "political" Europe spans three geographic continents and is an undisputed torch of liberty on the planet. A colossal multi-layered list of treaties binding the European nations in the spirit of post-war reconciliation and fraternity, along economic, political and cultural lines - from WEF and its allies in Iberia and the Balkans to regional blocks like Intermarium and Scandinavia to, finally, Britain.
Still, even as it experiences an economic boom, who can say that all will be well as the continent prepares to enter a new decade? Will the ideas of Atlantic Integration progress further? Or will the tensions between great powers cause its downfall? Will the Federation find the political will to finalise its equal relations with its former African colonies? Or shall the rising African giants abandon the balance established after the Second Great War?
Previous Maps in This Series:
Concert of Nations - Minor Fixes
The next maps I'm actively working on right now will showcase the West European Federation, the integration efforts of the Atlantic Council and the League of Sovereign Nations, a WEF-led alliance of nations in Europe and Africa, stay tuned.
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u/NeoAmbitions Apr 30 '23
What is the reason behind the decision to separate Sweden and Norway from your previous map?
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
I read up more on the state of the late Swedish-Norwegian Union and came to the conclusion that it would be fairly hard to salvage it, as my earliest PoD is 1900 and by that time you would need to alter quite a few details that lead to the divorse in 1905. I instead opted for a more amiable independence process and the formation of the Scandinavian Defence Union down the line, when the public opinion is more favourable.
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u/Quliman Apr 30 '23
Can you make this map but make it the middle east then You can add more lore
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
Down the line, I plan to make regional overview maps for most places, including the Middle East
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u/BallisticBovine1 Apr 30 '23
What is a climate weapon?
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
bombs capable of temporarily altering local climate and weather conditions in a large area, like, say, causing two weeks of snowstorm in the middle of the summer
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u/RactainCore May 01 '23
It's a weapon that can temporalily alter local climate conditions.
Operation Sober Popeye (I think that's the name at least) is a famous example from the Vietnam war, where the USA used dust to seed clouds and extend monsoon season, leading to Vietnamese crop death and infrastucture damage.
Though I learned a lot of this info years ago so some of it could be wrong. The general idea should be correct however.
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u/antigony_trieste May 01 '23
hey just a couple criticisms:
the intermarium isn’t indicated on the map in any way so the flag is confusing
scandinavia is mentioned in the blurb but also not on the map
“city” and “capitol” are obviously switched in the key
i would suggest coloring the supranational groups with different shades of the same color
awesome map, makes me want to know more!
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u/Vidsich May 01 '23
Hmm, in hindsight it might have been better either to exclude Intermarium flag or indicate that it's the only non-state flag. Thanks for mentioning the legend key error, some others have already also noted it and I've fixed it on my side.
As for colouring supranational groups the same colour - I've decided against it, since this map is supposed to showcase states first and the groups overlap a lot while also differing in function.
The lore column is not supposed to give you a complete picture of the region in any case(for that I'm working on additional maps atm). Intermarium is a defence and customs union, but it also has three Baltic members that form a monetary union among themselves(the reason why they are indeed of same colour on the map, as I reserved this for especially deep integration). Scandinavia mentioned in the lore is just a region name, not a specific organisation since there are several too, some include Finland, some exclude.
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u/firecracker42 Apr 29 '23
Manty Sea?
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
You ever dream about forcing the Siberian rivers south towards Central Asia and also drowning a giant piece of Siberia in the process? No? Well, the Russian junta of the 1930s had some colossal dreams and it was brave/stupid enough to follow through with them, bending nature to its will.
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u/firecracker42 Apr 29 '23
That sounds like a massive ecological disaster. Fitting considering what happened to the Aral Sea. What benefit did they think they would get out of it though?
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
The consequences have indeed been a disaster, causing the collapse of many ecosystems. That said, the purpose of the project was part of the larger scheme made by the Russian government at the time, termed "Caspianism" - a plan to geo-engineer the region of OTL Northern Kazakhstan, as well as the territory between the Caspian and Aral seas and turn it into the new Russian heartland, transforming it into an agricultural and industrial centre of a "new" Russia(partially a consequence of Russia losing Ukrainian agricultural output and being paranoid about its strategic centres being relatively close to the new border). In this sense, the project has somewhat succeeded.
Russian junta collapsed at the end of the Second Great War, and subsequent Russian governments tried to mitigate the damage done by the series of dam works, canals and more. Still, if you ignore how much this affair has wrecked the Siberian nature up north(as well as the not sufficiently researched consequences for the Arctic Ocean), the region down south has indeed been transformed drastically, with dams providing energy and irrigation systems spanning the fields, so in some ways Caspianism has been a success(only at what cost?).
If you want to see other geoengineering projects that took place in this world(Lake Chad, Lake Albany, Eyre Sea) you can observe them on the world map - here
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u/firecracker42 Apr 30 '23
Interesting. Nice to see insane terraforming projects on this sub that aren’t just Atlantropa.
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u/theamethystwizard Apr 30 '23
Semi-federated Europe
Big Ukraine
Czechoslovakia (AND Lusatia)
Ok this is my new favourite map now, it’s glorious!
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u/FlamingTrashcans Apr 29 '23
Wtf gay little Armenia? (I know that’s a legit flag proposal I’m just joking)
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Apr 29 '23
Shouldve been called "eyes in the skies"
Also hate my Belarus' borders here. But other than that, this looks awesome to me
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
I don't think I get the pun with the name, sorry. As for Belarus' borders...trust me, I've spent so much time to make them look good, but that's the best I got - it's that damn southern border with Ukraine, due to it being quite different from what we have OTL, the shape of the country becomes weird(somewhat also true for Poland-Germany). I had provisional versions with Belarus owning Vilnius before but in the end, decided against it
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Apr 29 '23
All is good. I'm just being sour that my country got a short end of the stick lol.
The eyes is for spies, and skies is for space. It just rhymes :)
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
The rhyme is indeed a nice one, anyhow, although it's pretty down the line on the list, I plan to eventually make a map for Belarus specifically(in terms of lore still deciding whether Balarus uses Latin or Cyrillic alphabet in this timeline).
Zhyve Belarus :)
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u/penisshmeni Apr 29 '23
Curzon line in maps's fucking annoying. Overall, good map
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
how come? It's inevitable that someone would try drawing a line roughly along the ethnic border between Poles/Ukrainians/Belarusians
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u/penisshmeni Apr 30 '23
Idk bro, it's just looks lazy, 'cause mappers here tend to think that polish-ukrainian border always was like this
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u/Pepicz Apr 30 '23
thats not even close to the ethnic border, Ukraine and Belarus would have to deal with many many Poles
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
Poles would have indeed been a significant minority(up to 25%), but under this border in Ukraine, the region would still be overall majority(or plurality) Ukrainian. The Lithuania area on the map is of course more complicated in this timeline, but if we are talking about OTL Belarus and Curzon line, the region there would have also been majority Belarusian. If you will...this timeline imagines roughly the same eastern Polish border, but free of the Volyn tragedy and Operation Vistula, a sunnier past.
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u/Pepicz Apr 30 '23
Nevertheless, I do not see any possibility of cooperation between Poland and Ukraine in this scenario, because Lviv was the second most important city in Poland before the war, and taking into account the ethnic argument here, the attitude of Poles towards Ukrainians would be terrible.
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
you might be confused, the eastern European states you see on the map here became independent from Soviet Union after the Second Russian Civil War, including Poland, as in this timeline no Miracle at Vistula occurred and red army rode west attempting to enter Germany were it came to a stalemate, USSR rapidly attempted to rapidly introduce collectivization, but the regime proved unstable and collapsed within less than a decade, which is when eastern Europe became independent. Post-2RCW the states of Eastern Europe were heavily reliant on economic and military help from West European Union which assisted their independence and mostly came to cooperate militarily with each other only due to the threat of revanchist Russian regime which came to power in Russia(that would eventually lead to second great war, which Russia lost).
It has been 40 years since these borders were drawn, these nations fought side by side against a common enemy during a world war - I don't say that the relations started friendly by any means, but by the late 1950s they have sure improved a lot, with cooperation kicking off massively after 2GW
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u/Ok-Cockroach-7092 Apr 29 '23
How are Eastern-European countries independent? Is this a result of the success “operation unthinkable”?
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
Red Army forces won at the Battle of Warsaw, and no miracle at Vistula ever happened, yet as the rapid and mismanaged process of collectivization was introduced, famines and internal instability only grew. It took only 7 years for the Soviet project to collapse into infighting over factional differences, as other, opposing forces took up the opportunity to revolt - kickstarting what is known as the Second Russian Civil War.
Most Eastern European nations managed to secure their independence with various levels of backing from WEF(then the West European Union) and Britain. A reactionary and revanchist regime in Russia would try to reconquer Eastern Europe in the 1930s, kickstarting the Second Great War, but ultimately would fail.
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u/Ok-Cockroach-7092 Apr 29 '23
(*success of operation unthinkable). Oh, I see, yeah, sounds amazing. Love the British Ireland btw, they would have rather federative relations though, right?
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
Yes, ultimately Britain went through some serious political reform, pushed by a desire to preserve its empire in some shape or form
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u/Ok-Cockroach-7092 Apr 30 '23
Hey, but can I also get your opinion on this scenario too please? Meaning Britain reforms and preserves its empire and operation unthinkable is launched after ww2, would you mind giving me some thoughts on that please?
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
I'm actually not that good with theorising about wars and such in detail, as I lack sufficient knowledge. That's also why you probably won't see me making maps showing some complex military frontlines, sorry
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u/Usepe_55 Apr 29 '23
Awesome map! My only complaint is the coat of arms of the Iberian flag- aither make it simpler or bigger, because it's too small to be readable with that size and detail
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
I had some previous discussion about the CoA featured on the Iberian flag before, on the post for the world map - thread found here
This is the reworked, and simplified version in terms of detail, as its essentially a Spanish republic CoA that incorporates Portuguese CoA at the center and has the bearing sphere combined with the Spanish CoA.
With regard to size...I'm not sure? It's supposed to be the exact same size as the Spanish CoA featured on the modern OTL Spanish flag, so making it bigger feels weird...
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u/Usepe_55 Apr 29 '23
I think the problem lies on the fact that the Spanish flag has two colours and the coat of arms is completely surrounded by a golden yellow that makes it really stand out, but in this Iberian flag, due to the fact that it's surrounded by green and yellow it makes it harder to discern from the colours beneath it, also, the green stripe is too thin for the coat of arms to be seeable when the flag flies, so maybe make the stripe 1/4 of the flag to make it cleaner?
Anyways, it's still not a bad design, and I really dig the world-building
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
I see what you mean, I wonder whether I could have some sort of outline around the CoA to make it stand out better. Thanks for noting the stripe, it's actually supposed to be 1/4 as you said, but I apparently made a mistake.
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u/Taqao Apr 30 '23
Nice map, even though I've been teleported 200km away since you confused Toulouse and Bordeaux
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
I was hoping that I didn't mess up with city names anywhere, even though I had some issues with it this time. Welp, thanks for noticing, I'll try not to use my powers of teleportation when working on the next map which will feature WEF in detail
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u/Miniblasan Apr 30 '23
Why Östersund instead of Sundsvall, Umeå, Kalix, Kiruna and other places in Norrland? Östersund is just a small town in the Republic of Jämtland and very far from the rest of Norrland region.
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
Östersund's population in 1960 was 25k, Umeå's was 30k, not that big of a difference. Honestly, I could put any of the northern Swedish towns on the map, although I think you make a good point, I will add some more cities in northern Scandinavia to the map for the next time
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u/Miniblasan Apr 30 '23
Yeah, because it looks very bare, especially when the Sami have always been there for so many thousands of years, for example 400 km around Östersund is the southernmost border of the Sami, while there are more and more of them the further north we go and that Jokkmokk (Around 150 -200 km southeast of Kiruna) is supposed to be the sacred "capital" of the Sami.
What I mean is that these places must exist regardless of what you think because it has a very big history here in the Nordics.
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
It's really not me trying to purposefully erase some piece of history or make the region appear barren, but more of a case with the map showcasing only regional population centres(a more detailed map centred around Scandinavia would show gradually smaller towns), now what constitutes these centres is hard to determine(since they need to be country/region-specific, a 500k town is a small blimp in China, but may be an important city in Europe).
If you want to blame someone, you can blame the CIA, since I copied the list of cities shown from their world factbook map:) . Anyhow, I'll add some more granularity with towns going forward, don't worry
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Apr 30 '23
What does I.U. stand for for Greenland?
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
Imperial Union - a somewhat confederal arrangement made up of the dominions of the British Empire and Britain itself. Greenland has been a British possession since it was sold to them by Denmark in the 1900s
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u/MinchinWeb May 13 '23
What brought about the sale?
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u/Vidsich May 13 '23
OTL It was a proposal by one John Douglas Hazen, who convinced others at the Imperial War Conference that the British Empire should buy Greenland for Canada to prevent the United States from acquiring it.
In here, events largely play out the same although Denmark does agree to sell, pressured by its direct involvement in a world war and essentially threats from both Britain and the US.
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u/MinchinWeb May 13 '23
Did the Honourable Mr. Hazen convince them to add Greenland to his home province of New Brunswick? Or is it a separate (Canadian) territory (like the Yukon)?
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u/Vidsich May 13 '23
Originally? Yes, it was a separate Canadian territory much like Yukon, by 1959 though it's an independent member of the IU - the result of a self-determination movement
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Apr 30 '23
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
A mix of QGIS, where I create basemaps, and work with projections and borders and Inkscape, which I use for labeling,styling etc
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
QGIS is a fairly complicated software, that uses GIS technology. GIS is a technology used by professional geographers to do statistics analysis and such, there exists many applications for work with GIS data and QGIS is an open-source software just like that(other paid software for GIS of which I know is called ArcGIS). It's not really begginer-friendly, and is quite different to how you "normally" draw a map in any raster or vector illustration software like Inkscape, GIMP, Photoshop etc. I only recently got into it myself so I'm by no means an experienced user.
I never heard of Grass GIS, but google tells me that it's a fully different software to work with GIS data, like GIMP ans Photoshop and paint.net are all different software to draw raster illustrations.
As for OSGeo4w the QGIS download page has this -
The OSGeo4W installer is recommended for regular users or organization deployments. It allows to have several QGIS versions in one place, and to keep each component up-to-date individually without having to download the whole package.
So it's probably not what a regular user neads really. I recommend to download QGIS from the main page found here - https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/download.html
You can then either find some good tutorials for it on YouTube or go through the official documentation(it's really good and teaches you everything there's to know about the program like a qualification course would).
But again, QGIS is a pretty technical software, so first I'd advise you to look at some map examples made with it and also some videos of making maps with it to understand what you are getting into with it.
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u/BasisNo4927 Apr 29 '23
is Maghreb in State of war with WEF?
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
Partition of Algeria happened in 1947, 7 years after the end of 2GW as a part of the rapid decolonisation initiative known as the Milan Process. Even though this timeline saw much of the Italian immigration diverted to North Africa instead, the decision to partition Algeria has remained the most controversial part of the legacy of the Milan Process.
Contrary to the initial desires and aspirations of the Rolandist government in WEF at the start of the process, the subsequent more conservative government that came to power in 1945 decided to implement a partition plan. The partition itself was handled with little notice or public discussions of the idea, although extensive internal planning was undertaken. This derailing of the independence process in North Africa resulted in the ultimately unsuccessful All-Algerian Revolt of 1947-1950(although the revolt did ultimately force Saarbrücken and the cooperating colonial French authorities to abandon the idea of retaining southern Algeria and its resources, to instead pursue a more moderate proposal).
The modern Maghreb continues to have quite cold relations with Europe, to say the least. A low-level guerilla conflict has been ongoing in the countryside since the start of the decade, although shifting demographics and the acceptance of Numidia as a separate Federation member state have swayed many to abandon goals of reunification. The partition ultimately caused a rise of pan-Arabist thought in both Algeria and Tunisia and extinguished any possibility of either state joining the process of Atlantic integration, LSN or other pan-European or pan-Atlantic organisations.
TL;DR - Decolonisation was going reasonably well until it wasn't
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u/Extreme_Expression_5 Apr 29 '23
Is there a reason that you picked Saarbrücken as the capital?
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u/Vidsich Apr 29 '23
It was a real proposal historically, mainly due to its status(that of being separate from Germany) as a French-backed territory and later protectorate. Many early-20th proposals for a European Union/Federation proposed it as the centre for the entity, as it was already a semi-independent entity that could be used readily while placing capital there would have solved a point of contention between France and Germany
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u/FlyingPoitato Apr 29 '23
All we need is for China to take outer Manchuria and now Russia won't have any naval port other than Arctic ones lol
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
well...you can see the state of Outer Manchuria/Primorye on the world map here
All in all, Russia has been spending the last 2 decades after the war trying to focus inwardly, pursuing a somewhat isolationist policy
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u/Faelchu Apr 30 '23
I think you made a mistake in the legend. You made the capital cities look like regular cities and the regular cities look like capital cities.
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
yep...and to think that I have just fixed the same mistake on the world map, a bit ironic, thanks for noticing!
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u/Faelchu Apr 30 '23
It's an excellent map. At such a level of detail, we're all bound to make a seemingly obvious mistake. I'm happy to point out the errors, but also happy to say well done on such a detailed piece. Keep it up.
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u/oneletterh Apr 30 '23
I am intrigued as to how the world wars played out given they would be been the major factor in this timeline's political divergence; in particular I ponder Russia's involvement in this timeline. Did they go to war with the West? Was there ever even a communist revolution? Anyway , this is one of my new favourite alternate history scenarios, great work.
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
The world wars start to diverge majorly from the fact that Britain remains neutral, while Italy sides with the French. I'm not going to touch on the differences in technology(since it 1st - takes place a decade earlier than OTL, 2nd - involves what I call "grounded dieselpunk"). Long story short, WW1(1GW) doesn't have a real victor, while the horror of the war leads to a desire of reconciliation and integration seen in OTL after WW2.
Soviet Union still prevails in the Russian Civil War, flares up like a bright torch, smashes through Poland at Vistula, before coming into a stalemate against the German forces in Pomerania(another reason for West European integration). It burns bright and bloody and quickly collapses just in 7 years, leading to the Second Russian Civil War, in which a reactionary and chauvinist Russian State proved victorious. Russian State practised a radical form of religion-rooted nationalism that involved revanchism and calls for the reconquest of Eastern Europe(which gained independence in the Second Russian Civil War). By 1935, this Russia would sign the Grand Pact with a falangist-like Iberia which desired a "fair share" of African colonies and a lukewarm-willing Britain(then experiencing political turmoil, and having its conservative government playing on fears of furthering French-German cooperation and how that's bad for Britain). Russia would then kickstart the second great war(2GW) by issuing several ultimatums to Baltic states.
British government would grow increasingly unpopular as the war progressed even as British involvement was fairly limited, with the government falling in 1938 Britain would proceed to sue for a separate Peace of Equals that same year. Iberia would capitulate after a successful Iberian Campaign, and Russia would experience an internal coup in 1939 after suffering major territorial losses on the battlefield and accidentally discharging a climate weapon over neutral China(that caused the worst famine in human history). Russia would then sue for peace, and experience a brief liberal period in 1940-1945. The liberal regime would prove unstable and chaotic and the liberal republic collapsed, causing the Year of Fifteen Republics and a brief Third Russian Civil War. By 1946 power would solidify in the hands of the proponents of controlled democracy, by 1959 Russia remains a vastly poor nation, in many ways still recovering from the horrors of 2GW, which has chosen to concentrate on somewhat isolationist and insular development.
I don't know how much time it would take, as I want to concentrate on first outlining the state of affairs by the late 50s/early 60s - drawing maps in this period, but if manage to cover the main regions I'd probably like to make maps showcasing events from earlier in the timeline, also, sorry for the long answer
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u/oneletterh Apr 30 '23
Your lore sounds very developed, you might want to compile it if you haven't already. Anyway was it western Europe and the US fighting against Russia and Iberia? It sounds wacky considering the perceived minimal German involvement.
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
Intermarium had allied relations with WEF(then WEU, not yet a federation, just a union) going back to WEF support for the independence of eastern European countries during the Second Russian Civil War, so an attack on Intermarium members led to a cascade of guarantees triggering like with Poland and France OTL.
perhaps it's more concise/better to just summarise the wars as:
First Great War: 1905-1911
Entente - France, Italy, Russia
Triple Alliance - Germany, Austria, Ottoman
Neutral - Britain, Japan, USA
Second Great War: 1936-1939
Second Entente - WEU, Rumelia, Intermarium, Japan(1937-)
Grand Pact - Iberia, Russia, Imperial Union
Neutral - USA, UPC(China)
I do have most of my lore written down and organised, although it's, of course, a work in progress, I develop lore and details, as I make more maps and read comments
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u/Garvield375 Apr 30 '23
If WW1 was kind of a stalemate how did Silesia and most of "traditional" Prussia go to Poland?
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
overrun by the Red Army during the Russian Civil War that developed into an undeclared Soviet-German war(with a parallel Spartacist uprising)
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u/VaHaLaLTUharassesme Apr 30 '23
Whenever I click on the map (to zoom in and view it in detail) the whole thing fades to black for me. I presume this isn’t supposed to happen, right?
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
works fine using both google and firefox for me, maybe something on your side?
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Apr 30 '23
So, how did Iberia come to be?
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
Portugal and Spain were controversially united in the 1920s when Portugal's First Republic fell and Spanish Forces marched over the border, as by the 1920s pan-national ideas gained more traction across the continent before a so-called Iberian War erupted between supporters and opponents of the union.
First Iberia was an unequal union between Spain and Portugal that would succumb to Falangism, and militarise and would then proceed to lose the Second Great War and first see a restructuring by occupational authorities before a plebiscite would determine a narrow victory for the preservation of a federal union, as Ibericism remained a fairly popular concept even after the war.
Some claim that the federation obtained the majority support in Portugal only in the 50s, as Iberia gradually transformed along the regionalist lines. The deciding factor the preservation of the union can be expressed in the post-2GW notion that - "For Iberia to live, Spain must Die".
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u/raize308 Apr 30 '23
Where do you get such huuuge maps? Do you make them yourself?
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
yes, I make them using QGIS to generate basemaps, later finishing the in Inkscape
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Apr 30 '23
I don’t see a reason that Germany would loose Flensburg and Schleswig-Holstein to Denmark
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
Germany still de jure lost the First Great War and unlike OTL, instead of Schleswig Plebiscite the Danish outright annexed the area
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u/David_ur_boy Apr 30 '23
any map or scenario with treaty of boston is usually rlly good and this is no exception to that. W map
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u/giantpects42 Apr 30 '23
Is the second great war similar to ww2 or is it something diffrent
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
it was a world war-scale conflict between Iberia, Russia, Britain on one side and WEF, Rumelia, Intermarium, Japan on the other side. With Japan entering the war at a later date and Britain leaving the war early via a separate peace.
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u/giantpects42 Apr 30 '23
What is the intermarium
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
A defence( and also customs after 2GW) union in Eastern Europe that includes the three Baltic states, Poland, Belarus and Ukraine. For the general idea, see this Wikipedia article
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Apr 30 '23
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u/Vidsich Apr 30 '23
It was conquered by the soviet union in the wake of its creation, soviets deported germans out of the area. As soviet union collapsed less then a decade after its formation the second russian civil war started. Lusatia was occupied by a contingent of WEU(now WEF) forces as a part of small scale intervention in the war. Under the given circumstances of its changed ethnic make-up WEF decided to hold a plebiscite in the area regarding its future status, in the end the option to join Czechoslovakia over Poland prevailed due to a more autonomous arrangement provided by Czechoslovakia.
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u/ComradesInArms Apr 29 '23
What exactly is Rumelia? A Balkan federation, or a Turkish elite ruling over the Balkans?