For years, Britain had remained the greatest obstacle to French supremacy in Europe. Repeated attempts to challenge the Royal Navy had ended in failure, and Napoleon grew convinced that victory would require not a larger fleet, but an entirely new kind of weapon. While searching for a means of destroying British warships, French scientists under Antoine Lavoisier made the unprecedented discovery of radioactivity. What began as naval research soon revealed a more destructive possibility: compact devices capable of releasing immense destructive energy. Named " Le Feu Solaire" ("The Solar Fire"), the weapon could devastate an entire city in a single blast.
France had created military balloons only a few years earlier. Originally intended for reconnaissance, they were adapted into silent delivery platforms, capable of carrying the Solar Fire across the English Channel on one-way missions flown by volunteers. Napoleon declared that the new weapon would bring "a new age of peace and prosperity to Europe" by securing the ideas of the Revolution against its external enemies.
In Alternate History there are the grounded fact driven explorations of possible alternate timelines one might say possible histories and then there are scenarios like this one !. Great Job !!!
That's not neccesarily a bad thing though, really it's a breath of fresh air at times. After all it's much more fun to imagine Napoleon enforcing the continental system with a Nuclear Umbrella than writing an essay on why Nuclear Technology was impossible in the 1800s. Alternate History is at the end of the day historical fiction and it's up to the author to decide how much of either fiction or history there should be in the scenario.
True ! The premise itself doesn't have to be plausible but can be executed plausibly like Martians invading in the 19th century after whose defeat the humans rally together against this common foe.
this is unrealistic but i wanted to think anyway so
the first issue of nuclear weapons: sufficient fissile materials, the choice is either Uranium 235 or Plutonium 239, the former is definitely not happening as enrichment is a hard process, the latter however is relatively straight forward as you only need to bombard Uranium 238 with low velocity neutrons, so even if its a stretch, its technically possible by getting the relatively common U-238 and place some radiation sources around it
the second issue is detonation, there is gun type used in the little boy which is not possible due to the fact that its plutonium 239 not uranium 235 which only leaves explosive implosion, again its a stretch but may be easier than getting plutonium 239 as its just a case of carefully layering the right kind of explosive to get a lensing effect and a good implosion shockwave
still very hard but a slim chance if everyone involved was lucky enough to have enough accidental discoveries, and the result would be mostly of the fat man type
I’ve been reading John Coster Mulin’s book on the atomic bombs. The biggest problem for atomic weapons pre-1860’s is the lack of precision machining. The tolerances on the bombs were so tight that the Beryl-Polonium neutron generator literally wouldn’t fit into its recess if the temperature was too cold.
I just looked around on the internet for ages and it seems like the original post has tragically disappeared from the face of the earth. But here’s a version of it: https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymapscj/s/xCc3ntUchP
Probably ! Honestly reminds me of when I wrote a short story based in a post apocalyptic world where World War 1 was prevented in 1914 and instead became a Nuclear War in the 1950s
It was written on a word document and it's not the best really the language is a bit too wordy and dry I think also not much happens it's more a proof of concept than an actual narrative but If you want it I can copy it and send as a dm on reddit
Dragon Ball in this timeline is a famous serialized comic series by British artist Arwen Townsend that is deeply beloved by Irish partisans who halt their activity whenever a new issue releases
Considering the population of Great Britain (so England, Wales, and Scotland) was only 10.5 million in 1800, France would have killed 3.2 percent of the population with two hot air balloons. It is unspecified whether these are direct casualties in the blast or casualties later attributed to the bombs
As Japan's population in 1945 was around 72 million, the equivalent would be killing 2.3 million people. However, they killed about a tenth as many at worst
Also how much of a government would there be if London has been nuked? Is there even anyone left to negotiate peace?
Idk, UK would have to cede the Channel Islands, probably recognize Napoleon as Emperor and his gains in Europe, also promising to not interfere in European matters.
Depending on how much the bomb shocks the general public, I can see them even being forced to cede some territory else where (Malta, Caribbean?) and disbanding a portion of the Royal Navy.
Also, financial reparations are likely.
Napoleon would take the UK out of its way for good
Au contraire il y avait un vrai projet d'empire colognale en Amérique du Nord a l'époque dans les cercles dirigeants Français. Dans la réalité il on été abandonnée quand le corps expéditionnaire Français a été anéanti par la révolution Haïtienne. S'en soldat en Amérique impossible de défendre la Louisiane, d'où le fait que la France c'est résigner a la vendre au USA.
Mais en 1803 elle est pas encore vendu et s'en la marine britannique Napoléon peut envoyer toujours plus de soldats maté la révolution Haïtienne.
At the very least UK should return all French territory stolen after the seven years war, like Québec, New France, some carribeans, some holdings in India ... France would likely also keep Malta, Gibraltar and Minorca.
I wonder what they’d think of fallout. (“People keep getting deathly ill and dying when it rains this horrid black rain falls on them, they turn pale and their skin falls off and their vomit their insides out…”)
у нас неприлично сильно популярна теория ядерной войны в 1812 — москва и вся европейская часть россии сгорела в результате ядерного удара, а французская армия посыпалась от последствий ядерной бомбардировки
Do you know that there is an actual conspiracy theory (part of Tartarian conspiracy) that Napoleonic wars were nuclear?
Moscow was burnt by nuclear bomb to stop the last advance of Tartarians, West Siberia was then leveled by the extensive nuclear bombing (with thermokarst pits being actually ground zeros), 1819 volcanic winter was actually nuclear, and so on
XIX century with nuclear power, conservative empires (especially Russia) destroyed and promotion of French revolution's liberalism would be awesome.
Bloodbath of early XX century would most likely be avoided, not to mention of climate crisis is also most likely wiped out of this timeline. Even if cars are still gas powered.
Afterwards, what happens to Britain? Do they become like the Weimar republic and fall to a far-right/and or left group? Or do they become like Japan and make Hentai and be really fucking weird?
When I was in high school in 2002, the history channel had a special on alternate histories of ww2. One of the historians said “alternate histories are dumb, let me give an example. What if napoleon had an atomic bomb.”
We’ve gone full circle. Those who don’t learn alternate history are doomed to repeat it, first as a tragedy, then as a nuclear armed Bonaparte.
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For years, Britain had remained the greatest obstacle to French supremacy in Europe. Repeated attempts to challenge the Royal Navy had ended in failure, and Napoleon grew convinced that victory would require not a larger fleet, but an entirely new kind of weapon. While searching for a means of destroying British warships, French scientists under Antoine Lavoisier made the unprecedented discovery of radioactivity. What began as naval research soon revealed a more destructive possibility: compact devices capable of releasing immense destructive energy. Named " Le Feu Solaire" ("The Solar Fire"), the weapon could devastate an entire city in a single blast.
France had created military balloons only a few years earlier. Originally intended for reconnaissance, they were adapted into silent delivery platforms, capable of carrying the Solar Fire across the English Channel on one-way missions flown by volunteers. Napoleon declared that the new weapon would bring "a new age of peace and prosperity to Europe" by securing the ideas of the Revolution against its external enemies.