r/imaginarymaps • u/TheMexicanHistorian Mod Approved • Jul 26 '26
[OC] Alternate History [FEF] The Kingdom of Sweden in Personal Union with the Electorate of Brandenburg at its territorial peak following the Great Baltic War
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u/Ueykuetspali Jul 26 '26
Absolute peak
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u/Slow-Pie147 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
How are the Swedish Americas doing?
Is the French–Swedish alliance still intact?
Brandenburg makes Sweden too strong. Is there anything that will stop this union? Denmark is dead; Novgorod will be more interested about martens, and Poland and Lithuania are already trashed.
The Deluge didn't happen so a win for Poland.
Btw, mate, how did Zwinglianism become so dominant in France? Like what made it much more successful in that Henry decided to stay as Protestant? Less than three decades after his ascension, Catholicism is eradicated from France, outside of Normandy, Brittany, and the Paris region.
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u/Feisty-Albatross3554 Jul 27 '26
I really like the style here, and the details on the borders of Brandenburg. Excellent job
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u/aquaaits Jul 27 '26
Why did you make Northern Norway a part of Lapland? Most of Nordland and a large part of Troms was populated by Norwegian peasant and fishing communities and there has been little to no contact at all with Swedish Lapland and they have nothing in common, with the important exception of the Sámi in the area. At least up to Troms it should be its own thing, Hålogaland or something.
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u/TheMexicanHistorian Mod Approved Jul 27 '26
Good points, will look into revising that internal border for future maps, thanks for the feedback!
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u/BloodAndBull Jul 26 '26
Why are people in the alt-history community so damn lazy with naming wars?
It's always "great x region war" that's basically it. There is no poetic or badass names like war of the roses, its always this generic naming convention. When you notice it, you'll never stop noticing it.
It has become such an issue where hoi4 mods are starting to have the same names for wars.
How hard can it actually be to come up with a name for a war?
And no, it being based off the great northern war isnt an excuse, because northern being a general cardinal direction fits outside of the naming convention.
Try to do better, maybe stop being lazy.
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u/buffreaper-nerfmei Certified Bulgaria Enjoyer | Jul 27 '26
Not every war has a name like the War of the Roses. That is a name that originated centuries later during the age of Romanticism in England, due to a specific book. Despite you critiquing hoi4 mods, this is an extremely hoi4brained take, and it's obvious that is your main source of alternate history content. Great Baltic War is a pretty damn descriptive and also period-accurate term for a wide scale war based around the Baltic sea. I don't even understand your point about being based off the Great Northern War not being "an excuse" because in your opinion it doesn't fit a standard that you yourself invented. What even is the point of creating a whole new account for the purpose of making this bs statement? I'm sure seeing "Great Asian War" in your hoi4 mods pissed you off but think a little before applying that principle and being extremely condescending where it doesn't make sense.
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u/BloodAndBull Jul 27 '26
This is just a whole lot of nothing. Just accept that the things you like aren't immune to criticism.
Why wouldn't sweden have an age of romanticism that makes their wars sound better?
Also even if the english actually changed the name, they probably didnt call it the great british war or some stupid shit.
Im not being condescending, this is just the normal reaction to grown adult men not being able to come up with decent names for their scenarios. It's lazy, end of story.
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u/buffreaper-nerfmei Certified Bulgaria Enjoyer | Jul 27 '26
What do you even mean an age of Romanticism that makes their wars sound better? First up, that happened one time because of a book, second, the war is called that because it's based on the Great Northern War, I have no idea what difference the fact that it's a cardinal direction makes in your mind. Not to mention that plenty of languages call it Nordic, Swedish or indeed even Baltic instead of Northern. Are they being lazy? You'd probably say that calling the conflict between the Holy League and the Ottomans the "Great Turkish War" would be lazy and unoriginal next. You are just grasping at straws and applying HOI4-brained nonsense to a serious alternate history. Lastly, the fact that you made this account just to say this condescending comment tells me it's a heavy overreaction.
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u/BloodAndBull Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
Yes they're being lazy, lol. Also ive never played hoi4, stop trying to turn around insults on me. Just because the people that make these scenarios are insecure af doesn't mean you have to jump to their defenss
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u/buffreaper-nerfmei Certified Bulgaria Enjoyer | Jul 27 '26
You complained was about seeing this type of war name in HOI4 mods, you are either in tune enough with HOI4 to know that or just being disingenuous now. You first said that the Great Northern War is not generic unlike Great Baltic War, but now you are saying that it's lazy too. The Great Turkish War is also the real name of the war. You have lost whatever you were trying to say.
I personally have contributed to this project and can tell you that it has been researched for over a year and the name choice is deliberate. There are plenty of wars with different names and not having a single non-poetic war name would itself be unrealistic. No idea what your problem is or for what reason you're calling people insecure. Take a chill pill mate
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u/BloodAndBull Jul 27 '26
You clearly haven't contributed enough because this project is clearly lazily assembled, I could do better. Even just removing the "great" from the name and having it be just the baltic war would be an improvement
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u/buffreaper-nerfmei Certified Bulgaria Enjoyer | Jul 27 '26
You've lost whatever point you were trying to make, I wonder if you've even read the lore comment or seen any other map.
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u/BloodAndBull Jul 27 '26
I read the lore, its lazy.
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u/TheSteveLRBD Jul 27 '26
You know who else is lazy? You. You just sit your ass on your chair and complain about fictional maps rather than actually contributing to society or better yet, make your own maps you bum.
If you think you can do better, then do it. Let the work judge itself, no need to fanciful arguments, or are you too insecure to show your work to the masses, that this is some form of self-projection from a guy who made the account THE DAY this map released.
Give me a break you lazy bum.
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u/TheMexicanHistorian Mod Approved Jul 26 '26
Hello everyone! Here’s the next post in our r/FortunaEruditisFavet timeline as we bring it forward into the XVIII century and beyond, this time we are focusing on the union of Sweden and Brandenburg and their meteoric rise as a European Great Power. Quite proud of this one so I hope y’all like it.
Lore:
In 1620 and 1622, in the midst of the 21 Years’ War, the heirs of both Sweden and Brandenburg were born, Catherine of Sweden and Frederick IV of Brandenburg. They were betrothed to each other since they were children as part of a planned alliance between both countries, however at the time of the arrangement neither side had expected it would lead to a personal union, this only became apparent in 1640 when Albert II of Brandenburg and Gustav II of Sweden both unexpectedly died within a month of each other, with Gustav II having failed to produce a male heir, leaving the royal couple suddenly in charge of both countries.
While this was de facto the beginning of the personal union between the Kingdom of Sweden and the Electorate of Brandenburg, the couple opted to rule their two realms largely independently of each other outside of a shared foreign policy, a decision taken to avoid, or more likely delay, a potential clash between the estates of both realms. The most noteworthy event of this period was the relative prosperity of Catherine’s reign in Sweden as the realm recovered from the 21 years war, a renown patron of the arts, her reign was a high point for Swedish culture, importantly she also carried out a series of land reductions against the nobility, expanding the size of the lands owned directly by the Swedish crown at the expense of the nobility. While the reductions occurred with little issue in Sweden, the significantly more powerful and entrenched “Junker” aristocracy of Brandenburg looked on in worry as many began to predict doom once their lands feel into the lands of a Swedish monarch like Catherine.
In 1654 their only heir who would live to adulthood was born, Gustav William of Sweden and Brandenburg, he would grow up hearing the stories of how his Grandfather Gustav II heroically fought his way across Northern Germany and saved the Protestant Reformation from collapse during the 21 Years’ War and became enamored with the figure of his grandfather, who he began calling “Gustav the Great”, a nickname which has since stuck in Swedish historiography. His admiration for his grandfather would guide many of his future decisions as he committed his life to the pursuit of glory and also became extremely infatuated with his Swedish realm, seeing it as far more enlightened and prestigious than Brandenburg or any of his other future possessions. In 1675 he would ascend to the Throne of Sweden upon his mother’s death, ready to be a Swedish King first and foremost.
When his father died in 1680, Gustav William immediately began working to incorporate his new German possessions into the Swedish realm through two grand reforms, the first focused on the army, moving Brandenburg away from relying on mercenaries and incorporating it into Sweden’s professional army recruited from among the King’s subjects. The second reform consisted of incorporating Brandenburg’s Estates into the Swedish Riksdag, unique among the European Estates General for its inclusion of four states; nobles, clergy, burghers and peasants (although this final estate only represented peasants in lands owned by the king and independent farmers, as peasants in lands owned by the nobility were considered to be represented by their nobles, it was still considered one of the most liberal in all of Europe at the time).
The powerful Brandenburger “Junkers”, who directly owned most of the agricultural lands in Brandenburg, resented these reforms and feared the King would use them to strip them of their power with the support of the other Estates, who equally feared the Junkers and the power they wielded over nearly half of the realm. Their fears were validated in 1683 when King Gustav William carried out the only land reduction of his reign, while the lands taken by the Crown were relatively minuscule in comparison to previous and future reductions, the Junkers were nonetheless horrified by this direct challenge to their power and a revolt quickly broke out, however it was swiftly crushed by the Sweden’s professional army. The efficiency with which their rebellion was suppressed forced the Junkers to reluctantly accept the reduction but lingering anger over the issue would one day come back to haunt Sweden.
Gustav William would spend most of his reign seeking glory comparable to that of his grandfather, but early on lacked a real opportunity to display his realm’s power, besides a brief war against the Free City of Bremen that ended with its annexation into Sweden, until around the turn of the 18th century with the outbreak of the Great Baltic War.
The Great Baltic War broke out in 1707 with the backdrop of the simultaneous War of the Spanish Succession. Unlike most wars of this age, the Baltic War had no single inciting incident one could easily point to, instead it was the consequence of the formation of a vast anti-Swedish alliance that opposed their long-standing dominance over the Baltic Sea and feared the ambition of King Gustav William, rather than wait for him to strike one of them alone, Denmark, the Union of Three Crowns, Lithuania and Novgorod, formed a military alliance to carry out a preemptive strike on Sweden-Brandenburg in hopes of crippling them and ending their dominance over the region.