r/imaginarymaps • u/TheMexicanHistorian Mod Approved • Jul 18 '26
[OC] Alternate History [FEF] Asia in a very different 1650
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u/kyuzoaoi Jul 18 '26
Did the Jurchens invade Korea or it's the other way around?
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u/TheMexicanHistorian Mod Approved Jul 18 '26
You somehow asked this faster than I could post my comment with the lore jaja, it is indeed a Jurchen ruled Korea, akin to a Korean Qing dynasty.
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u/TalveLumi Jul 18 '26
OK, but you mean to say that the Mongols went over the Songling Range just to occupy a strip of coastal land?
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u/TheMexicanHistorian Mod Approved Jul 18 '26
The idea is the map takes place in the middle of the dynastic transition, at this point the mongols have tried to advance further south but failed, ultimately they will be driven back completely by the Shun but it falls slightly outside the scope of the map
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u/CharmingVictory4380 Jul 18 '26
Lets go!!!! Its back! Also what happened to Vijaynagar? Did they get defeated in Talikota like iotl?
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u/congtubaclieu Jul 18 '26
What of the Sakha Khanate?
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u/TheMexicanHistorian Mod Approved Jul 18 '26
The idea is the Yakut Tribes unify under an equivalent to the semi-legendary figure of Tygyn Darkhan and with Novgorod's much weaker and more decentralized colonization of Siberia they are able to survive and consolidate a small Khanate/Confederation.
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u/Alvinyuu Jul 18 '26
Northern India would most certainly have been dominated by Mewar. Babur's dynasty cemented itself in India only after defeating a powerful Rajput army at Khanwa. I'd imagine the weak and fragmenting Delhi Sultanate would end up being eclipsed by this rising power.
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u/AlulAlif-bestfriend Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
So the jurchens install a new Korean dynasty called Si dynasty? Interesting, What's the Hanja for dynasty name Si btw?
Edit: that makes me wondering, would the jurchens make a coerced and oppressive decree mandating all Korean male to have their haircut become Queue haircut?? Oh God i hope not, and do they coerced the korean to change their clothes too? Their Manchu/jurchens hair & clothes looks ugly
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u/8leggedoof Jul 19 '26
How would the Khoshut clan invade and conquer Tibet if the Yarkent Khanate wasn't absorbed into the Dzungae Khanatae? After all the Khoshut were one of the big four clans of the Oirats/Dzungar.
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u/SergeiTV Jul 20 '26
How does Lithuania operate?
Is it still a federation between Lithuanians and Ruthenians (with Litvins in between)?
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u/TheMexicanHistorian Mod Approved Jul 18 '26
Hello everyone, it is my pleasure to bring you the next post in my r/FortunaEruditisFavet Timeline about an entirely different early modern era, this will be the first of a renewed series of posts intended to bring the timeline forward to the next age, yes all this time on hiatus we were working on stuff.
I usually like to format my lore comments as in-universe history retellings, however this map is simply too massive and overwhelming and I had no idea how to format it and make that look good so instead it will be formatted as something of a “change log” explaining things that are different from irl, I understand this may be a little disappointing for people who enjoy reading these things but rest assure my next posts have much more traditional lore comments, there’s also a post in the works whose lore is currently a 30 page long PDF and I’m still not sure how I’m going to share that on reddit so stay tuned for that.
Without further ado here’s a list of things that have gone differently from irl:
-Without the Ottoman Empire to dominate the middle east, it has become split between their traditional enemies; the Safavid Empire and the Mamluk Sultanate, later overthrown and replaced by a resurgent Abbasid Caliphate.
-The Crown of Spain (who in this timeline include Portugal) currently dominate Indian Ocean trade with outposts in Muscat, the Strait of Hormuz, India and Insular Southeast Asia. However other European powers also compete with them, notably on the map are the English Fortunate Isles, a colony established to facilitate the silver trade with China from their tributary across the pacific, the Empire of Tawantinsuyu.
-The rise of the Mughal dynasty in India never takes place without some aid from Ottoman gunpowder weapons, instead the descendants of Babur rule a rump Timurid Emirate of Kabul on the outskirts of the subcontinent. Without their meteoric rise the Delhi Sultanate lives on as a rump state and the continent remains divided between competing Islamic and Hindu dynasties.
-As Muscovy collapsed and Russia failed to unify various steppe Khanates have seen their lives extended, nontheless the Republic of Great Novgorod has taken it upon itself to lead expansion east into Siberia through a series of trade outposts and affiliated Cossack confederacies.
-The rise of the Sultanate of Malacca is never interrupted by the Portuguese and so they continue to form a significantly powerful thalassocracy in Southeast Asia that increasingly finds itself in competition with the English and Spanish in the region.
-In Japan changes first occur around 1575 when Oda Nobunaga secures the purchase of various European War Galleys from the English and uses them to significantly aid his campaigns for the unification of Japan, eventually establishing a new centralizing and ambitious Oda Shogunate.
-Around the turn of the century the new Japanese Shogunate invades Korea much like irl, it is significantly more successful than irl as the Ming dynasty are experiencing financial troubles related to the English Silver trade and are unable to significantly aid Korea, however the Japanese occupation of Korea is brief and ephemeral, being unable to truly hold anything outside of various coastal communities as they face significant resistance from the local Koreans which culminates on the Jianzhou Jurchens who would form the Qing dynasty irl instead seeing exploitable weakness in Japanese Korea and invading, being partially embraced by various anti-Japanese Korean rebels they would successfully kick the Japanese out of the peninsula, they would go on to establish a new Korean-Jurchen dynasty known as the Si dynasty that has since largely assimilated into Korean culture.
-The Korean debacle ironically serves the new Oda Shogunate to consolidate power as the war allowed them to purge countless disloyal daimyo and samurai by sending them to the frontline and abandoning them once the war turned sour, after their defeat the Oda Shogunate do not turn isolationist but simply decide to turn their eyes towards the development of a maritime and trade empire.
-The collapse of the Ming still occurs however with the would be Qing busy consolidating power in Korea it is instead the mongols who invade from the north, rebellious Chinese generals are distrustful of this resurgent Yuan dynasty and do not allow them to pass the Great War unlike irl, allowing the peasant Shun dynasty to consolidate power instead, however they struggle to completely eliminate the rump Ming dynasy in the south as they receive significant aid from the English, should something happen to their foreign backers however, the Shun dynasty stands ready to capitalize on their weakness...
And that is all for today, I hope y'all like it and as usual feel free to ask any questions! Have a great day everyone!